Let’s get it Started- A post Perron landscape

[cardinalnation]

I’m just curious what fans thoughts are on David Perron testing the free agent market and whether or not this means bigger things for the Blues if he signs elsewhere. My thinking is you do not let a guy like that leave unless you have bigger plans.
Matt Tkachuk anyone? I personally would prefer Brady because he’s a little younger but I believe the Calgary power forward is available while the other is not. Does anyone else here feel like if Army lets Perron sign elsewhere that they have bigger plans for someone like Malkin or Matt Tkachuk? Do you think we get more value from those two players then we do from DP57? Do we think Perron and team find a reasonable price and he signs in St. Louis?

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[Majorityof1]

I’m just curious white fence thoughts are on David Perron testing the free agent market and whether or not this means program thanks for the blues if he signs elsewhere. My thinking is you do not let a guy like that leave unless you have bigger plans. Matt Tkachuk anyone? I personally would prefer Brady because he’s a little younger and I also believe the Calgary power forward is available while the other is not. Does anyone else here feel like if army lets Paran sign elsewhere that they have bigger plans for someone like Malkin or Matt Tkachuk? Do you think we get more value from those two players then we do from DP57?

We are letting Perron walk because we have yet to move salary and hence cannot afford him. How are we affording Tkachuk who has a $9M qualifying offer?

 

[Mike Liut]

tkachuk would be a 2023 FA signing

 

[Majorityof1]

tkachuk would be a 2023 FA signing

Tkachuk is on the trade block this year. OP discussed him or Malkin, which implies this year. As for next year, he is possibly available, if he isn't traded somewhere he re-signs. And next year is just as problematic for salary cap with Thomas, Kyrou and O'Reilly all due new contracts.

 

[Mike Liut]

Tkachuk is on the trade block this year. OP discussed him or Malkin, which implies this year. As for next year, he is possibly available, if he isn't traded somewhere he re-signs. And next year is just as problematic for salary cap with Thomas, Kyrou and O'Reilly all due new contracts.

I don’t think we should be be sending the assets necessary to acquire him now, unless we move Tarasenko and use those assets for him. For me, Neighbors and Bolduc are not on the table.

 

[EastVillageBlues]

We needed to move Scandella yesterday.

This guy is taking up valuable space that we can easily use to keep Perron, and possibly resign Leddy.

Scandella is probably one of the few speckles on a nearly sterling record of Army. The guy is now simply becoming a burden to this team.

 

[TK 421]

Why would Doug willingly destroy his cap structure that he's worked smartly to maintain despite it costing the team quality players?

Serious question, I just can't see it so please walk me through your thinking here so I can better understand this point of view.

 

[The Note]

I get the appeal of Tkachuk, but he is not the guy to detonate the cap structure for, IMO. I generally am on board with going big-game hunting in a way the Blues don't seem apt to do (which makes sense!) but I really don't think MT is the guy to tie up huge amounts of resources in and sacrifice other players to do so.

 

[Daley Tarasenkshow]

We needed to move Scandella yesterday.

This guy is taking up valuable space that we can easily use to keep Perron, and possibly resign Leddy.

Scandella is probably one of the few speckles on a nearly sterling record of Army. The guy is now simply becoming a burden to this team.

Calling Scandella a burden to the Blues is pretty crazy, to me. I agree with the notion that he's probably a bit overpaid, but he's been a pretty serviceable defenseman the last couple of seasons. I understand he's not the flashiest player, but I don't believe it's as cut and dry as trading Scandella would make signing Perron happen.

 

[EastVillageBlues]

Calling Scandella a burden to the Blues is pretty crazy, to me. I agree with the notion that he's probably a bit overpaid, but he's been a pretty serviceable defenseman the last couple of seasons. I understand he's not the flashiest player, but I don't believe it's as cut and dry as trading Scandella would make signing Perron happen.

If you look at the salary structure, and what types of player movements that happened in the last 3 years, he is exactly the reason why Perron is still unsigned. He basically does nothing over the 900K career journeyman 5-7 D, but takes up a good chuck of the cap. He is definitely not any better than Mikkola, for example.

If his mistaken signing never happened, then we would have comfortably 6M offer for Perron, maybe even more. And there might be room left over for Leddy as well (who is a much more importantly player than a fringe NHLer like Scandella).

 

[BlueDream]

Calling Scandella a burden to the Blues is pretty crazy, to me. I agree with the notion that he's probably a bit overpaid, but he's been a pretty serviceable defenseman the last couple of seasons. I understand he's not the flashiest player, but I don't believe it's as cut and dry as trading Scandella would make signing Perron happen.

Paying a bottom pairing defenseman 3.25M is absolutely harmful to a team up against the cap. You can find defensemen that provide what Scandella does for 1M per year easily.

 

[AjaxManifesto]

Perron is a guy who gives a shit and gives it everything he's got. He's talented and came back to STL TWICE!

He wants to be here.

If DA can't get it done, DA has his head up his ass.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Perron is a guy who gives a shit and gives it everything he's got. He's talented and came back to STL TWICE!

He wants to be here.

If DA can't get it done, DA has his head up his ass.

If there was no salary cap, you would be right.

 

[Spektre]

Sucks

 

[BlueSeal]

I usually comment heavily on things like this but I’m going to wait a time with patience and see what Army does first.

 

[TheDizee]

just because hes going to the market doesnt mean he wont resign

 

[Em etah Eh]

If there was no salary cap, you would be right.

8 year deal to bring cap down a bunch seems like a no brainer to me. Close to PPG player last 3 seasons and a true blue at 3ish M caphit. How did we not offer this?

 

[Xanadude]

Perron is getting up there in age and has had recurring head injuries. I love the guy to death, but I understand why DA would be hestitant to pay up. I'll never forget his career renaissance with us and how clutch he's been for us throughout his career and I wish him the best.

You have to think 6M on Perron at 34/35/36 probably isn't as good an investment as 7M on a prime Kyrou contract, which is what I'm guessing DA is thinking.

 

[mk80]

Unfortunately it just comes down to him pricing himself out of what we can afford unless he sacrifices a good amount for an STL discount. I think he's earned more than we can give him, and it's fair for him to go cash in on what he's earned elsewhere.

Now if we see him sign elsewhere for a reasonable amount that we could have afforded with our cap constraints that's a different story.

 

[Louie the Blue]

8 year deal to bring cap down a bunch seems like a no brainer to me. Close to PPG player last 3 seasons and a true blue at 3ish M caphit. How did we not offer this?

Because that would be absurd to sign Perron to an 8 year deal at 34.

There's no way he'll perform at his current level for the next year. Realistically, I can see him having another 2-3 seasons before a drop off in production and he becomes a bottom 6 player.

I like Perron, but for better or worse, Armstrong has a price on players and sticks to it. Which scares me with ROR as I think the replacing ROR will be much more challenging than Perron.

 

[Em etah Eh]

Because that would be absurd to sign Perron to an 8 year deal at 34.

There's no way he'll perform at his current level for the next year. Realistically, I can see him having another 2-3 seasons before a drop off in production and he becomes a bottom 6 player.

I like Perron, but for better or worse, Armstrong has a price on players and sticks to it. Which scares me with ROR as I think the replacing ROR will be much more challenging than Perron.

He becomes a bottom 6 player at a 3M caphit and when he’s had enough he LTIRs like they all do. There really is no downside to me.

 

[Louie the Blue]

He becomes a bottom 6 player at a 3M caphit and when he’s had enough he LTIRs like they all do. There really is no downside to me.

What contract has Armstrong signed for a player that's 34 or older that's 8 years?

The only 8 year contract I can think of he's signed is Schenn's and even then that could get ugly.

I also don't think it's Armstrong's MO to have that liability on the franchise's books based off his other actions (like not offering NMCs). Steen went on LTIR because he legit wasn't medically cleared to play and is really the only player where I can of was on LTIR for an entire season at the end of their career.

I'd also rather have money saved from Perron's contract going to the defense or signing other members of the top 6 (Kyrou, ROR, Thomas) long-term.

Very interested to see what happens with Tarasenko now. He was a luxury last season. Now keeping him is almost a necessity unless Armstrong pulls a rabbit out of a hat.

 

[Em etah Eh]

Army hasn’t done this before, but if you are ever going to use legal cap circumvention to get a bargain of a caphit, there’s no better player than somebody loyal like Perron. Other contenders would do similar. Hell it would be smart for somebody to offer 7 years to him tomorrow.

 

[Louie the Blue]

Army hasn’t done this before, but if you are ever going to use legal cap circumvention to get a bargain of a caphit, there’s no better player than somebody loyal like Perron. Other contenders would do similar. Hell it would be smart for somebody to offer 7 years to him tomorrow.

Armstrong has let the past 2 captains walk. I don't think he lets loyalty cloud his decision making.

I'm also not sure if Perron being on LTIR counts against the contract limit for the Blues or not.

 

[CraftyVeteran]

I’m just curious what fans thoughts are on David Perron testing the free agent market and whether or not this means bigger things for the Blues if he signs elsewhere. My thinking is you do not let a guy like that leave unless you have bigger plans.
Matt Tkachuk anyone? I personally would prefer Brady because he’s a little younger but I believe the Calgary power forward is available while the other is not. Does anyone else here feel like if Army lets Perron sign elsewhere that they have bigger plans for someone like Malkin or Matt Tkachuk? Do you think we get more value from those two players then we do from DP57? Do we think Perron and team find a reasonable price and he signs in St. Louis?