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zeke said:
Ekholm might be better than Muzzin - heck he might be better than Josi, so that would be kind of ridiculous get.

He doesn't really fit cleanly (though he can play the right side fine too)....but at the same time that would probable give us the best dcorps in hockey.
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Josi's gotta be the 2nd best D in the league, maybe some of the young guys like Makar, Heiskanen, McAvoy are coming up on his heels...
 
cupcrazyman said:
Is Gardiner still on waivers ? :sarcasm:
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123offtheglass said:
Josi's gotta be the 2nd best D in the league, maybe some of the young guys like Makar, Heiskanen, McAvoy are coming up on his heels...
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Last 3yrs

Josi (30): 25:25, 15gls/64pts/+9 pace, 51.4xgf% (+0.4rel) -> 2ndary qoc
Rielly (26): 23:37, 13gls/64pts/+22 pace, 52.3xgf% (+0.2rel) -> primary qoc
 
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zeke said:
Last 3yrs

Josi (30): 25:25, 15gls/64pts/+9 pace, 51.4xgf% (+0.4rel) -> 2ndary qoc
Rielly (26): 23:37, 13gls/64pts/+22 pace, 52.3xgf% (+0.2rel) -> primary qoc
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Last 3 yrs

Josi (30):
- 2020: Norris trophy winner
- 2019: 7th in Norris trophy voting
- 2018: 7th in Norris trophy voting
Rielly (26): 2020
- 2020: 0 votes for Norris trophy
- 2019: 5th in Norris trophy voting
- 2018: 0 votes for Norris trophy
 
zeke said:
Last 3yrs

Josi (30): 25:25, 15gls/64pts/+9 pace, 51.4xgf% (+0.4rel) -> 2ndary qoc
Rielly (26): 23:37, 13gls/64pts/+22 pace, 52.3xgf% (+0.2rel) -> primary qoc
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But Josi is pretty much responsible for the offense and defense Preds are nowhere without him Johanssen aint taking you anywhere
 
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McSnypsky said:
But Josi is pretty much responsible for the offense and defense Preds are nowhere without him Johanssen aint taking you anywhere
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Fair point, but Josi has also played with hilariously better defense partners.
 
Jozay said:
The only reason they should trade for Ekholm is if they plan on moving off Muzzin in the offseason. (I would support this scenario happening)

He's way too expensive for a just in case scenario.

If there was a glaring hole in the top 4, I'd be all about it.
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Too bad the timing isn't right because he'd be a great pickup if it didn't cost much more than it did for Muzzin, Ekholm is very good & underrated, definitely an upgrade to Muzz at a lower cap hit. His 6 year 3.75m contract has been one of the best in the league for a while.
 
zeke said:
Fair point, but Josi has also played with hilariously better defense partners.
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Toronto Bag Head said:
and rielly has played with very high end offensive forwards
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Josi's numbers would be heavily boosted in Toronto.

From 2018 to present:
Leafs: 3.43 GPG, 23.7% powerplay
Predators: 2.87 GPG, 15.8% powerplay

That's a 50% more efficient powerplay and 19.5% more goals per game; difference would be even greater with Josi.

You know Josi is playing harder minutes, more d-zone stars, & pk time there as well.
 
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He just puts up better numbers in tougher usage with lesser d partners somehow.
 
Hard to make deals involving too many players in a timeframe given the quarantine process and the simultaneous cap restraints. Think they'll make at the very max 2 cross boarder deals & they'd have to be weeks apart. I bet Campbell & Simmonds play against Calgary & we see a deal right after that, the biggest one: 1) My guess is a Kerfoot + pick(s)/prospect(s) for Granlund; maybe some retention. He makes sense for them expansion wise given Nashville deals Ekholm & they protect 7-3-1. If there is retention I think 100% chance another deal is coming before TDL.

If that happens there's a good chance we make another move but this time in Canada and only once Granlund arrives, and settles in some, so closer to the deadline: 2) I'd think it'd be Tanner Pearson at 50% for this reason, no need to quarantine and can play right away; won't leave the team shorthanded upon acquisition. Lastly 3) a move for a very low cap hit D, ideally from Canada but possibly USA. Maybe a #2 Tanner Pearson deal doesn't take place, but I think at least deal #1 & #3 happen. #3 deal cap hit, quality and waiver eligibility will depend on how much cap is retained and/or saved in deal #1, and if deal #2 happens.

If Toronto native Oleksiak became available from Dallas he'd be the perfect fit would definitely play over Dermott. Bogo & Oleksiak would be one mean playoff pair. Granlund + Oleksiak would be ideal return for playoffs.
 
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zeke said:
He just puts up better numbers in tougher usage with lesser d partners somehow.
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lesser d partners? yes. tougher usage? definitely not. He's on a highly offensive team and Josi is not. Josi does not have the forwards or powerplay Rielly has, that he gets many assists off of. Josi also scores a lot more goals than Rielly. #1 D's numbers are highly influenced by the team they're on. Points tell you a lot more about a forward than a defenseman.
 
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123offtheglass said:
lesser d partners? yes. tougher usage? definitely not. He's on a highly offensive team and Josi is not. Josi does not have the forwards or powerplay Rielly has, that he gets many assists off of. #1 D's numbers are highly influenced by the team they're on.
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Absolutely tougher usage. Ekholm pairing has always been the prime defensive matchup pairing for Nashville, not the Josi pairing. In Toronto, it's always the Rielly pairing.

And let's not act like Nashville has been some sad sack team before this year. They were not - and you can't say rielly's offense is boosted by his team without saying Josi's defense has been boosted by his.

As for PP - due to Babcock, Rielly received much less Pp time than josi did before this season. Not to mention he gave his #1 pp spot to Barrie last year.

And really, the 3yr sample kinda glides over the fact that Josi had one massive offensive year and Rielly one bad one. Rielly's solidly more productive in most years since he's entered his prime.

20-21: Josi (30): 53pt pace --- Rielly (26): 66pt pace
19-20: Josi (29): 77pt pace --- Rielly (25): 47pt pace
18-19: Josi (28): 56pt pace --- Rielly (24): 72pt pace
17-18: Josi (27): 58pt pace --- Rielly (23): 56pt pace
 
Keep in mind that if we were to acquire Ekholm the Kraken would demand the iron price (1st/Liljegren/Sandin/Amirov+Dermott/Kerfoot) to protect our top five defensemen.

So, take the Muzzin price tag (1st/2nd/2nd) and add another first to account for that.
 
zeke said:
Absolutely tougher usage. Ekholm pairing has always been the prime defensive matchup pairing for Nashville, not the Josi pairing. In Toronto, it's always the Rielly pairing.

And let's not act like Nashville has been some sad sack team before this year. They were not - and you can't say rielly's offense is boosted by his team without saying Josi's defense has been boosted by his.

As for PP - due to Babcock, Rielly received much less Pp time than josi did before this season. Not to mention he gave his #1 pp spot to Barrie last year.

And really, the 3yr sample kinda glides over the fact that Josi had one massive offensive year and Rielly one bad one. Rielly's solidly more productive in most years since he's entered his prime.

20-21: Josi (30): 53pt pace --- Rielly (26): 66pt pace
19-20: Josi (29): 77pt pace --- Rielly (25): 47pt pace
18-19: Josi (28): 56pt pace --- Rielly (24): 72pt pace
17-18: Josi (27): 58pt pace --- Rielly (23): 56pt pace
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True of Ekholm but also true of what Muzzin is to Rielly, would be curious to see their o-zone vs d-zone starts.
Here's your numbers purely for offense, again not a great way to analyze a defenseman as much as it is for forwards, you're also purely looking at offense here, nothing to do with defense for defensemen:

pt pace/team g pace
20-21: Josi (30): .2700pt pace/team g pace --- Rielly (26): .2255pt pace/team g pace
19-20: Josi (29): .3066pt pace/team g pace --- Rielly (25): .1697pt pace/team g pace
18-19: Josi (28): .2373pt pace/team g pace --- Rielly (24): .2517pt pace/team g pace
17-18: Josi (27): .2231pt pace/team g pace --- Rielly (23): .2065pt pace/team g pace
17-21: Josi: .2559pt pace/team g pace --- Rielly: .2183pt pace/team g pace

g pace/team g pace
20-21: Josi (30): .0336g pace/team g pace --- Rielly (26): 0.0294g pace/team g pace
19-20: Josi (29): .0755g pace/team g pace --- Rielly (25): 0.0189g pace/team g pace
18-19: Josi (28): .0636g pace/team g pace --- Rielly (24): .0699g pace/team g pace
17-18: Josi (27): .0586g pace/team g pace --- Rielly (23): .0240g pace/team g pace
17-21: Josi: .0631g pace/team g pace --- Rielly: .0402g pace/team g pace
Norris Trophy Voting:
19-20: Josi (29): 1st --- Rielly (25) N/A
18-19: Josi (28): 7th --- Rielly (24) 5th
17-18: Josi (27): 7th --- Rielly (23) N/A
Best Defenceman NHLPA Poll Voting - Displays top 5 results - with more than 500 players each year: NHLPA Player Poll 2019-20
19-20: Josi (29): 3rd --- Rielly N/A
18-19: Josi (28): 5th --- Rielly N/A

Looks to me like Rielly is the one who had one massive offensive year in 2018-2019... His 20 goals (11 more than any of his other seasons) where his shooting percentage of 8.97% is 271% higher than the rest of his career at 3.31%; that one year boosts his career shooting percentage to 4.88%. Josi's shooting percentage has been consistently high: 7.81%, 5.21%, 7.74%, 7.46%, 7.07%, 5.53%, 5.53%, 5.47%, 6.15%, and 2.53% as an outlier in a much smaller sample size (25gp) this season. His career shooting percentage is 6.13%. I'm assuming you thought Josi's one massive year was the year he won the norris trophy in 2019-2020? His 6.15% shooting percentage that season is a whole .33% higher than the rest of his career at 6.13%!
 
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Korg said:
Keep in mind that if we were to acquire Ekholm the Kraken would demand the iron price (1st/Liljegren/Sandin/Amirov+Dermott/Kerfoot) to protect our top five defensemen.

So, take the Muzzin price tag (1st/2nd/2nd) and add another first to account for that.
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I would just let Holl go at that point. Teams always galaxy brain this and you don't want to give up a young controllable impact player like Anaheim did and then regret it later.
 
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123offtheglass said:
True of Ekholm but also true of what Muzzin is to Rielly,
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Nope. The Rielly pairing has always received the top matchups for Toronto, the ekholm pairing for Nashville.

Looks to me like Rielly is the one who had one massive offensive year in 2018-2019...
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Rielly is producing at a significantly better clip even this year than Josi ever has aside from his one huge year.
 
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zeke said:
Ekholm might be better than Muzzin - heck he might be better than Josi, so that would be kind of ridiculous get.

He doesn't really fit cleanly (though he can play the right side fine too)....but at the same time that would probable give us the best dcorps in hockey.
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2 left wingers pls and a goalie
We have enough d for this year !
 
Coyotes are in freefall. Clearly, no untouchables, but Chychrun, Garland and Dvorak are not really available.

Still want Crouse?
 
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