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Coyotes are in freefall. Clearly, no untouchables, but Chychrun, Garland and Dvorak are not really available.

Still want Crouse?

Crouse has been awful so not really. Not unless they also give us Kuemper anyways.

If they did Kuemper + Crouse + Oesterle at 50% for Andersen + Vesey + Dermott, then maybe... and that could potentially be much better value for them.
 
I only mention Crouse because his name has been brought up before. Coyote luck as it is, Kuemper is on IR. Pretty risky for a contender to trade for him and hope he recovers during the 14 day quarantine.
 
sounds like the forward won't be a Canadian player as he's clearly referring to the states and doesn't even mention the possibility of a Canadian trade without quarantine. Question to response:

Sounds confident about Campbell as he refers to he & Fred as a tandem: (he also spoke very highly with confidence to Fred & his ability to bounce back earlier)

Kyle on expansion draft: https://youtu.be/bTSTsl9s6q0?t=1480
Kyle on positional need or area of need: https://youtu.be/bTSTsl9s6q0?t=1523 on d "that might be area we might want to look at a little bit more, but I'd say most of the conversations are focused on forwards right now."
Rental vs hockey deal: https://youtu.be/bTSTsl9s6q0?t=1810 blah blah about salary cap staying flat... "it's a rare time where probably a rental is probably a better fit (shrugs), that said if it's something that we feel can improve our team long-term we'll find a way to make it work and we'll figure it out whether it's a pure hockey trade or having to do something else to offset it." Does Forsberg or Rakell help this team long term? Kyle talks a lot about flat cap in the interview, I'd say no unless they're getting him significantly retained; Rakell may be more likely in that route. But neither is really a long-term guy they'd be not a rental but only 1.5 years. If Kyle is indirectly talking to Nashville primarily through his coy "yes" response to dealing top prospects would be a nod to Nashville as we're interested in Granlund but our top prospects are available if they'd rather go another route in Forsberg... If it helps the team long term then it's gotta be a reasonable price with a reasonably retained cap hit coming back. All in all I think that "top prospect" response is just bait to Nashville or Anaheim, but could be a rental if it's the largest piece in the trade meaning we'd get rental+ plus back so it could be bait to other teams as well. Maybe Granlund want's Liljegren or Amirov but not for Forsberg, then they're gonna have to pay Granlund + futures to get him if that's what they prefer that type of return. And the more teams talking to them the better in trying to get fair value; he'll probably pull out this one
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On if a third-party/middle-man could be what the Leafs were to the Lehner deal last year: https://youtu.be/bTSTsl9s6q0?t=2108 seems unlikely but not out of the picture.

According to this (https://twitter.com/Sportsnet650/status/1370189486118739968) Pearson trade demand will be underwhelming given his performance this season. Think it also makes sense given it won't be high demand from the States teams when they have many more options in the States without quarantine. For Canadian teams that makes him a good cheap candidate especially close to the deadline with less competition & no need for quarantine or less risk, once the Canucks don't get want they want or much demand for him. I could see the Leafs adding him later if they still happen to have some space for a mid round pick but I bet he ends up in Edmonton; he's a much lesser but cheap Hyman to their Mcdavid & Draisaitl.

A deal is coming in the upcoming days & wonder if Columbus is ready to part with their captain Foligno yet as they're only a few points out of a playoff spot; they may want to wait but he does fit the bill of what was described in the top 7 forward bit (https://twitter.com/josephdzita/status/1369733093796511752) & what insiders think they're after or would benefit from when comparing the forward to big aggressive leaders like Jumbo, simmonds... also mentioning what Tampa Bay did last deadline: (What type of forward are the Leafs looking to bring in?)

In terms of there being more than one move & maybe a left shot defenseman as well: Sportsnet 590 The FAN on Facebook Watch

5 Names mentioned as rentals vs hockey deal: Palmeri, Foligno, Granlund or Forsberg/Rickard Insider Trading: Kyle Dubas willing to move a top prospect, but not Rasmus Sandin - TSN.ca Chicago also sounds like the place for third-party, middle-man, or taking on bad contracts and salary for assets, "eating a part of a contract to get a deal to go through".

Debrusk possibility & Foligno being exactly what they'd want: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrQGbUyUdSw

Hayes on Dubas confidence in Goalies & backend: https://youtu.be/Hu1I1G_Xz6g?t=78
 
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No, it really isn't. You're grasping at straws.
Post-Game Talk: - Leafs win 2-1 OT Back when team was winning at close to its peak I said "Imagine this team right now but with Kadri, imagine that..." That comment was not well received at all. Wonder if there's a change of heart 3 weeks later. Kadri is way better than Kerfoot, not even close.

One's a good 2nd line centre that is capable of playing wing and the other is a good 3rd line winger that is capable of player centre. We'd be better off With Kadri in Tavares's place with an extra 6.5m+ to spend on the rest of the roster. Hard truth.
 
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Post-Game Talk: - Leafs win 2-1 OT Back when team was winning at close to its peak I said "Imagine this team right now but with Kadri, imagine that..." That comment was not well received at all. Wonder if there's a change of heart 3 weeks later. Kadri is way better than Kerfoot, not even close.
For some it’s not about the play of the players themselves but who brought them in. There’s probably 6 posters who think Kerfoot is better. As always, it’s just best to ignore them.
 
For some it’s not about the play of the players themselves but who brought them in. There’s probably 6 posters who think Kerfoot is better. As always, it’s just best to ignore them.
I’m not entirely a fan of all that Kadri brings
( brought ) to us , nevertheless, Kadri is a way better player than Kerfoot
Not even close
 
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Post-Game Talk: - Leafs win 2-1 OT Back when team was winning at close to its peak I said "Imagine this team right now but with Kadri, imagine that..." That comment was not well received at all. Wonder if there's a change of heart 3 weeks later. Kadri is way better than Kerfoot, not even close.

One's a good 2nd line centre that is capable of playing wing and the other is a good 3rd line winger that is capable of player centre. We'd be better off With Kadri in Tavares's place with an extra 6.5m+ to spend on the rest of the roster. Hard truth.

Except, few seem to consider how the rest of the team would feel with him back. His back to back playoff suspensions, coupled with his coach and teammates warning him, did not go over well.

Leafs have to now focus on their division leading team that has a chance to do what they never did with Kadri in the lineup. Just the facts (and I was a fan of Kadri).

As such, pay a premium only for key game changers. Sellers have pressure too, not every team is going to be a buyer.
 
Except, few seem to consider how the rest of the team would feel with him back. His back to back playoff suspensions, coupled with his coach and teammates warning him, did not go over well.

Leads have to focus on their division leading team that has a chance to do what they never did with Macro in the lineup. Just the facts (and I was a fan of Macro).

As such, pay a premium only for key game changers. Sellers have pressure too, not every team is going to be a buyer.
He definitely forced managements hand a bit. I'd put some of that blame on Dubas though that team was way too soft to stack up against Boston. Why was Kadri their tough guy in those series, he clearly was terrible at the role he felt he had to take on in those moments. His intentions were protecting his teammates. With the right guys in the lineup those situations either wouldn't have taken place or a lesser more capable player would have done a better job taking care of it.
 
He definitely forced managements hand a bit. I'd put some of that blame on Dubas though that team was way too soft to stack up against Boston. Why was Kadri their tough guy in those series, he clearly was terrible at the role he felt he had to take on in those moments. His intentions were protecting his teammates. With the right guys in the lineup those situations either wouldn't have taken place or a lesser more capable player would have done a better job taking care of it.

There is some truth to this. Kadri still needed to understand the situation. That Leafs team probably beats Boston with Kadri in the lineup and the sky was the limit if thy did. Water under the bridge now.

As an aside, this situation just reminds me of how much I despise the Boston franschise and the way decisions always seems to go their way. I digress as I don't want to take the thread off topic.

In the end, Leafs should make key trades if they are available. Overpay a bit now as Dubas has enough in the pipeline to ice a team on the cheap going forward.
 
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There is some truth to this. Kadri still needed to understand the situation. That Leafs team probably beats Boston with Kadri in the lineup and the sky was the limit if thy did. Water under the bridge now.

As an aside, this situation just reminds me of how much I despise the Boston franschise and the way decisions always seems to go their way. I digress as I don't want to take the thread off topic.

In the end, Leafs should make key trades if they are available. Overpay a bit now as Dubas has enough in the pipeline to ice a team on the cheap going forward.
Both were close series, one more than the other and he likely was the gap or more in both which sucks to think about. With Dubas I'm confident that he can deal prospects to help now then turn draft picks again into better prospects. I think it's important he gets some picks to make because he turns them into something better. What if he keeps pulling out the Sandins, Robertsons, or Niemelas in the late 1st, 2nd or 3rd round every couple years. Hopefully he can keep that up because as of right now his track record in the draft looks excellent. He turns raw hamburger into bacon cheeseburgers.
 
Both were close series, one more than the other and he likely was the gap or more in both which sucks to think about. With Dubas I'm confident that he can deal prospects to help now then turn draft picks again into better prospects. I think it's important he gets some picks to make because he turns them into something better. What if he keeps pulling out the Sandins, Robertsons, or Niemelas in the late 1st, 2nd or 3rd round every couple years. Hopefully he can keep that up because as of right now his track record in the draft looks excellent. He turns raw hamburger into bacon cheeseburgers.
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-Vessey was a 30g scorer
-Lehtonen was a high quality top 4 D
-Barnanov was a great bottom 6er

and the great thing is we get to do this every summer , lol

Vesey and Barabanov were being brought in to help replace the so called depth lost by trading Kapanen and AJ last summer.

Now apparently we're looking for a top 6/7 forward upgrade at the trade deadline and willing to trade picks and prospects if need be to by cap space.

Lets see if I'm following this Leafs circular logic here.

Step #1) Trade Marleau's contract with 1st round pick to create cap space to re-sign Kapanen.

Step #2) Trade Kapanen for re-acquiring a 1st (Rodion Amirov) to create cap space again, since the previous one didn't have the desired effect.

Step #3) Trade Amirov (former 1st) & or picks away as needed to create new TD free cap space to bring in a top 6/7 forward to try and replace Kapanen, because off-season UFA signings failed to address this.

Is anybody else getting dizzy as we seem to be going round in circles here?
 
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The Tavares contract may well bring down Dubas. It's that bad. We're spending $11 million and 2nd line center might be the weakest spot in the lineup currently after goaltending.
 
Post-Game Talk: - Leafs win 2-1 OT Back when team was winning at close to its peak I said "Imagine this team right now but with Kadri, imagine that..." That comment was not well received at all. Wonder if there's a change of heart 3 weeks later. Kadri is way better than Kerfoot, not even close.

One's a good 2nd line centre that is capable of playing wing and the other is a good 3rd line winger that is capable of player centre. We'd be better off With Kadri in Tavares's place with an extra 6.5m+ to spend on the rest of the roster. Hard truth.

I was a fan of the Tavares signing, but the 6.5 Kadri savings would have been a nice start to go after Pietrangelo last summer.

It is what it is right now.
 
Vesey and Barabanov were being brought in to help replace the so called depth lost by trading Kapanen and AJ last summer.

Now apparently we're looking for a top 6/7 forward upgrade at the trade deadline and willing to trade picks and prospects if need be to by cap space.

Lets see if I'm following this Leafs circular logic here.

Step #1) Trade Marleau's contract with 1st round pick to create cap space to re-sign Kapanen.

Step #2) Trade Kapanen for re-acquiring a 1st (Rodion Amirov) to create cap space again, since the previous one didn't have the desired effect.

Step #3) Trade Amirov (former 1st) & or picks away as needed to create new TD free cap space to bring in a top 6/7 forward to try and replace Kapanen, because off-season UFA signings failed to address this.

Is anybody else getting dizzy as we seem to be going round in circles here?

Not in the least
 
Vesey and Barabanov were being brought in to help replace the so called depth lost by trading Kapanen and AJ last summer.

Now apparently we're looking for a top 6/7 forward upgrade at the trade deadline and willing to trade picks and prospects if need be to by cap space.

Lets see if I'm following this Leafs circular logic here.

Step #1) Trade Marleau's contract with 1st round pick to create cap space to re-sign Kapanen.

Step #2) Trade Kapanen for re-acquiring a 1st (Rodion Amirov) to create cap space again, since the previous one didn't have the desired effect.

Step #3) Trade Amirov (former 1st) & or picks away as needed to create new TD free cap space to bring in a top 6/7 forward to try and replace Kapanen, because off-season UFA signings failed to address this.

Is anybody else getting dizzy as we seem to be going round in circles here?

Seems straightforward to me.

Let me know if you need some help sorting it out.
 

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