Leon Draisaitl 3rd 110+ point season in 4 years...

[LTIR]

Draisaitl can enjoy these records for now.. wait til Nuge matures a bit.. he will be hitting 110+ regularly once he can grow a beard

 

[Madap]

Holy he is so overrated. A mix of Jagr and Thornton?! Lol

The guy makes a living off the PP playing with McDavid. Sure, powerplay is great and all, but far less predictive of ability than at even strength. At even strength is he no better than any other top player in the league, despite either playing wing with McDavid or getting easier matchups while McDavid does the heavy lifting.

Watch the guy actually and play and tell me he’s comparable to Jagr. Never seen a player do so little and still put up points.

 

[PostBradMalone]

Leafs actually have the 2nd best PP in the league, with significantly fewer opportunities but why do Oiler fans always start this anytime a Leaf fan has an opinion ?

Because most of the time that “opinion” is a lukewarm troll attempt, it’s not that hard to understand. Leafs fans post more in Oilers players threads than does our own fanbase.

 

[MessierII]

Holy he is so overrated. A mix of Jagr and Thornton?! Lol

The guy makes a living off the PP playing with McDavid. Sure, powerplay is great and all, but far less predictive of ability than at even strength. At even strength is he no better than any other top player in the league, despite either playing wing with McDavid or getting easier matchups while McDavid does the heavy lifting.

Watch the guy actually and play and tell me he’s comparable to Jagr. Never seen a player do so little and still put up points.

He’s the best passer in the nhl. Was just voted so again by nhl players. Also one of the best shooters in the nhl.

 

[AvroArrow]

Because most of the time that “opinion” is a lukewarm troll attempt, it’s not that hard to understand. Leafs fans post more in Oilers players threads than does our own fanbase.

In what world is saying a player wouldn't score the same playing without McDavid a troll attempt ? Holy. You'd think the biggest hockey fans in the world wouldn't need an explanation for that.

 

[Fourier]

What was his oish% and individual sh% in that span?


He RNH and Yamamoto formed a pretty good trio for a while, but generally I don't disagree.

But I think the premise assumes that he would be similarly surrounded by replacement level players on a bottom feeding team, so it doesn't really change all that much.

On Arizona he probably plays with Keller and Schmaltz. On Columbus he'd play with Gaudreau and on the pp Laine. Even bottom feeders have a few high-end players.

One aspect of the "plays with McDavid" narrative that gets overlooked is that no matter who you are when you play with McDavid one of your main jobs is to get the puck to McDavid. Why does that matter? If a goal is scored when McDavid is on the ice he is most likely involved. And because he does so much individually a higher percentage of the goals scored when he is involved result in less than two assist being awarded than for many other players. So not every good player who plays with McDavid sees his points totals rise markedly. Nuge for example has a higher individual scoring rate 5 vs 5 when he is away from McDavid because his IPP drops markedly when playing with McDavid. We are talking mid 70's away from McDavid to below 50% with McDavid 5 vs 5.

Leon's all situation IPP also drops with McDavid but not by nearly as much (from roughly 73% to 69% over the last three years) though this is somewhat skewed by the pp numbers. His IPP 5 vs 5 is actually typically much higher than his pp IPP because on the Oilers pp the puck tends to travel from McDavid to Nuge to a defenseman a lot while 5 vs 5 Draisailt is more commonly in the chain. 5 vs 5 Leon's IPP has often been over 80% though this year it is uncharacteristically low.

So while it is undeniable that Draisaitl benefits from McDavid it is not so easy to quantify how much. On most other teams he would be the guy handling the puck most of the time on the pp and at 5 vs 5. He may well score fewer goals on the pp but his playmaking skills are at a similar or better level to Kucherov/Marner's while having a shot that is a lot closer to Matthews than most acknowledge.

 

[Bank Shot]

A lot of you guys are completely missing his point. No one is arguing that Draisaitl isn't a great player, but his numbers would obviously come down playing on a different team, it isn't rocket science. Great achievement for him, but I don't know how anyone can actually suggest that he'd score at the same pace playing away from McDavid or on another team that gets half the amount of powerplays

McDavid doesn't drive the increase of PPs. He's been on the team for 8 years and the Oilers are 23rd in PP opportunities in that span.

Colorado is first over that period. Maybe Draisaitl would have even more points if he were there instead of Rantanen.

 

[Suntouchable13]

What was his oish% and individual sh% in that span?


He RNH and Yamamoto formed a pretty good trio for a while, but generally I don't disagree.

But I think the premise assumes that he would be similarly surrounded by replacement level players on a bottom feeding team, so it doesn't really change all that much.

Clayton Keller has 78 points in 72 games on the Coyotes. You don’t think he could do even better on Arizona if you replaced Keller with him?

 

[Ruok]

Some of the passes Draisaitl makes are unbelievable. The breakaway pass in overtime past night was filthy.

 

[tarheelhockey]

The amount of insecurity on display in the first 20 posts of this thread… holy shit

 

[RickyLafleur]

Didn’t the Athletic rate him a 3rd tier player? Isn’t it the common narrative around HF that he’s 42nd best centerman? Dare me. Dare me to name 41 better centermen. I can do it in my sleep!

I don’t get it. Why this thread? Draisaitl at 110 points adjusted for my insecurity/ I hate the person looking back at me on my webcam/ general lack of hockey knowledge/ still pissed the Oilers won lotteries/ Lemieux > Gretzky/ Eff it, I hate the Oilers and I wanna be HF-popular and it’s cool to hate on the Oilers and sadly, it fuels my real-life self esteem - is equivalent to 43 points on the Canucks or 37 points on the Sharks. His points are just being inflated by playing with Kailer Yamamoto and Warren Foegele. Playing with players of this calibre is a 69-70 point bump.

Why did his NHL peers vote him the best passer in the NHL? How?!?!?

HF told me the best passer is “objectively” someone like Anders Lee or someone hipster like Maccelli (look at me I watch other teams). If not those guys, someone provocative like Marner or Barkov are the “best passers” depending on how smart I wanna look in front strangers on the internet.

They’ll dismiss Draisaitl for reasons like:
1) “Have you seen the way so-and-so whip when they pass? NOW THAT it is “special”?
2) Leon Draisaitl is a first-assist specialist. Boring! If he was so good at passing, why doesn’t he have more second assists?

What is this nonsense? Are you that insecure about having 2 of the best players of the last 20 years on your team at the same time that you feel the need to cry about imaginary posters talking shit about your favorite players?

 

[doorbag]

I can still remember a poll from 2 or 3 years ago where there were a significant amount of people arguing that they would rather have Aho over Drai. The amount of disrespect Drai gets is hilarious.

 

[Madap]

He’s the best passer in the nhl. Was just voted so again by nhl players. Also one of the best shooters in the nhl.

Definitely a great passer, no argument there. Doesn’t make him the second best player in the NHL. His passing is actually what allows him to be so lazy and not great at other areas of the game and still appear so dominant.

His shot is good but nothing to brag about. He’s got a quick shot, which lets him stand in one spot and hammer home one timers after McDavid does all the work on the pp. He’s not good at even strength goal scoring at all.

I’m not saying he’s not one of the best players in the NHL. But he’s certainly not a clear cut number 2 and he sure as hell isn’t an all time great like Jagr.

 

[Lavar Ball]

His passing was mesmerizing last night

 

[MessierII]

Definitely a great passer, no argument there. Doesn’t make him the second best player in the NHL. His passing is actually what allows him to be so lazy and not great at other areas of the game and still appear so dominant.

His shot is good but nothing to brag about. He’s got a quick shot, which lets him stand in one spot and hammer home one timers after McDavid does all the work on the pp. He’s not good at even strength goal scoring at all.

I’m not saying he’s not one of the best players in the NHL. But he’s certainly not a clear cut number 2 and he sure as hell isn’t an all time great like Jagr.

Guy who had 30 even strength goals last year and not for the first time isn’t good at even strength scoring at all.

 

[Aashir]

He's a good player obviously as it's not like everyone on the Oilers is getting 110+ points regularly.

However, I don't think he's a 110+ point player on any other team in the league.

i disagree

Use the leafs as an example, we could run any of the following lines:
Drai - Matthews - Nylander
Drai - Tavares - Marner
Bunting - Drai - nylander/Marner

He’s getting 110 with them. Marner is pacing for 100+ playing with Tavares. Nylander is pacing for 90+ playing with Matthews a lot this season. Drai is a hell of a lot better than both of those guys this season.

With tampa he plays with kuch and point, Boston it’s pasta and Marchand. On literally any team he plays with their best players. No team doesn’t have at least a nylander level player. Most teams have 1-2 guys like that and Drai would most likely play with them.

 

[McPoyle]

Another insane stat. Leon has 53 Primary assists (tied for first) and only 13 Secondary assists which is an absolutely unheard of ratio.

Primary assist merchant!

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Some of the passes Draisaitl makes are unbelievable. The breakaway pass in overtime past night was filthy.

Besides the incredible pass that it was, the first thing that came to mind was that the pass was Sedin-esque. Where they just have that intuition to know where the other is and going to be, and send the puck therewhich ends up right on the tape.

Amazing to see a blind pass like this that stretches roughly 100 feet.

 

[GOilers88]

The amount of insecurity on display in the first 20 posts of this thread… holy shit

This thread is gross.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Holy he is so overrated. A mix of Jagr and Thornton?! Lol

The guy makes a living off the PP playing with McDavid. Sure, powerplay is great and all, but far less predictive of ability than at even strength. At even strength is he no better than any other top player in the league, despite either playing wing with McDavid or getting easier matchups while McDavid does the heavy lifting.

Watch the guy actually and play and tell me he’s comparable to Jagr. Never seen a player do so little and still put up points.

Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

 

[GreeningOil]

He's a good player obviously as it's not like everyone on the Oilers is getting 110+ points regularly.

However, I don't think he's a 110+ point player on any other team in the league.

You would likely be surprised. Other teams also have good players for him to pass to and receive passes from.

 

[Andy]

Surprised to see detractors for Draisaitl. Watching him you see that he's a step ahead of 99% of the league in terms of anticipation and vision on the ice.

 

[joestevens29]

Draisaitl can enjoy these records for now.. wait til Nuge matures a bit.. he will be hitting 110+ regularly once he can grow a beard

LD will be long retired by then

 

[Jersey Fresh]

McDavid coattail rider.

 

[alphahelix]

His shot is good but nothing to brag about. He’s got a quick shot, which lets him stand in one spot and hammer home one timers after McDavid does all the work on the pp.