Leon Draisaitl 3rd 110+ point season in 4 years...

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Considering his career high is only 110 with McDavid, it's highly unlikely he improves his stats when he leaves McDavid.

Are you arguing McDavid is holding him back? :laugh:
Because Covid ended his season 11 games early. He would have hit 120-130 points that season if not for something completely out of his control.
 
I really don't want this comment to turn onto poopin on the Oilers. It's actually insane that one team has arguably the two best players and hockey and are only #3 in their division. Hockey takes so much going right to win. You need a full team effort.
 
Highly disagree because of the amount of points he gets on the powerplay. You think he's getting 54 PP points (50% of his total points this season) on the PP in Arizona?

Arizona has 41 TOTAL powerplay goals this season. Draisaitl has 54 PP points this season. Draisaitl has more PP points than Arizona has goals on the PP.

In fact, Draisaitl has more PP points than all but 6 NHL teams have goals.

I'm not sure if you are aware, but PP goals still count as goals. Lol.
 
I'm not sure if you are aware, but PP goals still count as goals. Lol.

I'm not sure you read the post I responded to.

He said Draisaitl would have 110 points on Arizona, who hasn't scored as many PP goals as a team as Draisaitl has PP points, making it highly unlikely.
 
I really don't want this comment to turn onto poopin on the Oilers. It's actually insane that one team has arguably the two best players and hockey and are only #3 in their division. Hockey takes so much going right to win. You need a full team effort.
No hate it’s a fair comment. Two best players and the worst goalie of the league leaking points whenever he starts.
 
I really don't want this comment to turn onto poopin on the Oilers. It's actually insane that one team has arguably the two best players and hockey and are only #3 in their division. Hockey takes so much going right to win. You need a full team effort.
The Oilers are like 2-4 points out of being #1 place in the Western Conference. What’s your point?

The Oilers are #1 in the Western Conference in regulation wins.

The Oilers have the #1 ranked offence in the NHL. Yesterday, they had an 18-goal lead on Boston who is he 2nd ranked offence.

When they beat the Knights in their next 2 games, they’ll have sole custody of first place.

Why do small, insecure people feel the need to frame the standings like you just did? But then hide by saying sneaky shit like this so subtly? You think I’m going to let you off the hook? You‘re a sheep in the HF-hive mind.

The Kings are 2nd in the Western conference but a 4 game losing streak away from being in The Wild Card. Why don’t you say the same shit about them?
 
Lol

Calling a 4 time and most likely 5 + time 100+ point player anything less on another team makes you sound desperate man. Stop it.
Point totals really depend so much on factors that are outside of a player's control. What can be said is that Draisaitl is a world class offensive player on his own. He's the modern day hybrid of Jagr and Thornton.

Obviously playing with McDavid helps, but I think McDavid benefits from Draisaitl a ton as well, especially on the PP. They have perfectly contrasting styles, but I think Draisaitl's patient, deliberate style (combined with his deadly low circle one timer) is a huge part of what makes McDavid so difficult to defend shorthanded.

Still, it can't be denied that at 5v5, Draisaitl's production drops from "superstar" to "low end first line center".

Last 3 years at 5v5
Draisaitl w/McDavid
3.28 p/60 (60p in 1095 mins)

Draisaitl w/McDavid
2.00 p/60 (74p in 2221 mins)

It should be noted that he doesn't always have the best linemates without McDavid, but still that's a precipitous drop.

2.00 p/60 is equivalent to roughly ~43 5v5 points in an 82 game for a guy with his generous 16 mins of 5v5 time a game.
So if he were on a team without a great PP or extra help at 5v5, it's quite possible Draisaitl would fall well short of the 100 point plateau, and may even struggle to break 85 points.
 
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Matthews scored 44 of his 60 goals at even-strength last year. He leads the league in even-strength goals since he entered the league, so I don't think that's an issue. :laugh:
Imagine on a night when McDavid is making history and Leon is right there with him... we have someone bringing in Mr. 71thews into the picture

Auston Matthews has 71 points
McDavid is doubling him and Leon is basically 40 points ahead.

Other than the aberration last year. The Oiler duo have been annihilating Matthews in every season.
 
Point totals really depend so much on factors that are outside of a player's control. What can be said is that Draisaitl is a world class offensive player on his own. He's the modern day hybrid of Jagr and Thornton.

Obviously playing with McDavid helps, but I think McDavid benefits from Draisaitl a ton as well, especially on the PP. They have perfectly contrasting styles, but I think Draisaitl's patient, deliberate style (combined with his deadly low circle one timer) is a huge part of what makes McDavid so difficult to defend shorthanded.

Still, it can't be denied that at 5v5, Draisaitl's production drops from "superstar" to "low end first line center".

Last 3 years at 5v5
Draisaitl w/McDavid
3.28 p/60 (60p in 1095 mins)

Draisaitl w/McDavid
2.00 p/60 (74p in 2221 mins)

It should be noted that he doesn't always have the best linemates without McDavid, but still that's a precipitous drop.

2.00 p/60 is equivalent to roughly ~43 5v5 points in an 82 game for a guy with his generous 16 mins of 5v5 time a game.
So if he were on a team without a great PP or extra help at 5v5, it's quite possible Draisaitl would fall well short of the 100 point plateau, and may even struggle to break 85 points.
I agree with most everything you say except you have to majorly take in account that the last three years when he was not with McDavid he was with replacement level players and not just gloss over it.

It's more then not having the best linemates it's having absolute garbage and maybe Nuge if he isn't with McDavid. This has changed when Kane is healthy and with Hyman but overall Drai gets the scraps when centering the second line.
 
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Imagine on a night when McDavid is making history and Leon is right there with him... we have someone bringing in Mr. 71thews into the picture

Auston Matthews has 71 points
McDavid is doubling him and Leon is basically 40 points ahead.

Other than the aberration last year. The Oiler duo have been annihilating Matthews in every season.

I didn’t bring up Matthews. Oilers fans loved to bring him up and I responded to them.

Matthews was mentioned a few times before I responded actually.

I agree, it’s weird Oilers fans obsession with Matthews.
 
He's in a tier with Mackinnon and Kucherov.

Since '18-'19 the three of them have sepperated themselves into a group of their own below McDavid. Some years there's players that standout, but the 3 of them have been consistently top tier.
My opinion as well. I'd also add Makar to that tier of players (at least prior to his injuries). Game breakers for sure. Matthews was right there last year too, but has taken quite a dive this year.
 
I think his overall point totals are inflated from McDavid but Im not going to say this is impossible without him,
Hes insane

Leafs fans in the thread will argue otherwise, but he’s easily the best player not named McDavid in the nhl
I think that can be debatable season to season can kinda flip flop between 2-3 players. but right now its hard to argue. Im still curious what kind of player he is without McDavid at all. but I do think he would still be atleast in the top 10.
 
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I think his overall point totals are inflated from McDavid but Im not going to say this is impossible without him,

I think that can be debatable season to season can kinda flip flop between 2-3 players. but right now its hard to argue. Im still curious what kind of player he is without McDavid at all. but I do think he would still be atleast in the top 10.
Draisaitl has played 12 games without McDavid since 2018. He scored 19 points in those games.

That's a 130 point pace.

Small sample size for sure, but if he had 6 points in those games everyone would be using it against him without a doubt.
 
Draisaitl has played 12 games without McDavid since 2018. He scored 19 points in those games.

That's a 130 point pace.

Small sample size for sure, but if he had 6 points in those games everyone would be using it against him without a doubt.
What was his oish% and individual sh% in that span?

I agree with most everything you say except you have to majorly take in account that the last three years when he was not with McDavid he was with replacement level players and not just gloss over it.

It's more then not having the best linemates it's having absolute garbage and maybe Nuge if he isn't with McDavid. This has changed when Kane is healthy and with Hyman but overall Drai gets the scraps when centering the second line.
He RNH and Yamamoto formed a pretty good trio for a while, but generally I don't disagree.

But I think the premise assumes that he would be similarly surrounded by replacement level players on a bottom feeding team, so it doesn't really change all that much.
 
It’s always entertaining when oiler/leaf fans go at it

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Are you actually going to sit there and say McDavid doesn't benefit from playing with the best passer in the league who can also put up 50+ goals a year? I'd bet my life that if you gave Connor the option to pick any forward in the league to be his teammate he's taking Drai 1000%.

"BuT hIs PoInTs PeR 60!!!" Nobody gives a f***.

There isn't a player in this league as versatile a player. He's played LW C and RW in his career and his play never drops off.
 
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all I’m hearing is “my team sucks on the powerplay and has absolutely no finish”

Leafs actually have the 2nd best PP in the league, with significantly fewer opportunities but why do Oiler fans always start this anytime a Leaf fan has an opinion ?

A lot of you guys are completely missing his point. No one is arguing that Draisaitl isn't a great player, but his numbers would obviously come down playing on a different team, it isn't rocket science. Great achievement for him, but I don't know how anyone can actually suggest that he'd score at the same pace playing away from McDavid or on another team that gets half the amount of powerplays
 
Imagine on a night when McDavid is making history and Leon is right there with him... we have someone bringing in Mr. 71thews into the picture

Auston Matthews has 71 points
McDavid is doubling him and Leon is basically 40 points ahead.

Other than the aberration last year. The Oiler duo have been annihilating Matthews in every season.

Insane right ? Go read the thread, there are FIVE Oiler fans who brought Matthews up before a Leaf fan responded to it, now you did here as well.
 
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