Player Discussion Leo Carlsson
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Peasy
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And look at those players last year.
What major change happened in CBJ from last year to this year? they got a competent coach that didnt try to coach out all the skill and offense those players have.
Their coach last year was basically cronin level.
Edit: just saw you also mentioned this lol.
Hockey Duckie
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We have a control youth sample to compare and contrast with in Zegras.
What is crazy is that pre-rookie season Zegras was more productive offensively than the two seasons under Cronin so far.
We can apply this knowledge to say that Cronin has snuffed out the offensive prowess of our skilled forwards.
As for Drysdale, he's a different case. I think Drysdale would have thrived in this Cronin defense - though a small sample, it's an interesting offensive sample. Cronin has the same philosophy as Eakins with defensemen pinching often in the OZone to help out the offense in a man-scheme defense. This isn't new stuff for Drysdale and it translated well for him. Too bad he was made out of glass for us after a promising first two seasons in the league.
Here's our current defensive youth productions. We see LaCombe producing similarly to Drysdale, but over a larger sample. Zellweger is at 0.32 ppg. If you're a fast skating skilled defenseman, then your chances of scoring increases in this type of defense.
1 point in last 10 games
Leason has almost catched him in points but in less games. We have rushed him, and we better have a plan how to get his mojo back.
Leason has almost catched him in points but in less games. We have rushed him, and we better have a plan how to get his mojo back.
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If Leo is producing like this at Leason’s age then we should be worried.
The kid was good last night. Just missed the scoresheet several times. Have to be patient with him.
I agree with you. Also, I don't believe we have the best coach.If Leo is producing like this at Leason’s age then we should be worried.
The kid was good last night. Just missed the scoresheet several times. Have to be patient with him.
At the same time, I'm worried how productive other 2023 draftees have been. Zach Benson has now scored more NHL points than Leo. I am a bit worried, not gonna lie.
AngelDuck
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I’m a bit worried but only because my expectations for him are sky high. In the normal context of a very young player, this is all fine. In the context of him becoming a superstar, this starts to get pretty worrying if it continues into next season
TheDarkWingThatDucks
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If it makes you feel better barkov’s second year he had 19 pts in his first 45 games (with a 3 pt game). Leo has 16 in 43 games. Barkov’s next year he basically became a PPG player and never looked back.
I'm a Jackets fan and I think both teams have drafted the right players. I love Leo and Minty. The difference this year is coaching. The Jackets young forwards aren't worried about having their minutes cut if they screw up.
Leo is struggling no question but it’s not all on him but it’s more 50/50, than I originally thought, he needs to be better, but it’s also rotten luck.
He makes a beautiful takeaway play and sets up Zegras who hits the post. He makes a play to keep the puck in the zone and Zegras scores but was the 4th man from the puck so no assist.
He’s getting better at FO’s and he has been one of the better Forwards in his own zone. More responsible on defense. Let him kill some penalties, why not?
His ice time has also been reduced as well. So that’s going to hurt any kind of groove he gets going. If he stays with Zegras think he will start producing again soon.
Ducks DVM
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I think his play has been much better the last two games with Zegras back. The points will come, but he is further into his own head than Terry has been right now. I think he needs to score so he stops gripping the stick so hard.
Like all of our young guys it’s a confidence thing. Z was going through it, Mac too. Those guys seem to be breaking out of the slump, and I expect him to follow soon as well. He’s been in the right spots. Makes some boneheaded plays still, but that’s to be expected.
I think one of the things with assessing Leo this year is that it isnt all about what’s happened for him on the ice.
For me it’s more about the plays that haven’t happened. Every player has bad luck, hits posts, makes bad passes. It’s the additional good plays that Leo isn’t making which is why his points are low. A lot of times it’s because he’s losing the puck early in the play. He’s played a lot of passive, low-event hockey this year too.
It’s not even that he’s “bad” a lot of the time, it’s just that he’s like doing nothing.
For me it’s more about the plays that haven’t happened. Every player has bad luck, hits posts, makes bad passes. It’s the additional good plays that Leo isn’t making which is why his points are low. A lot of times it’s because he’s losing the puck early in the play. He’s played a lot of passive, low-event hockey this year too.
It’s not even that he’s “bad” a lot of the time, it’s just that he’s like doing nothing.
I agree he should be making more of those good plays we see, that’s on him. Odds will go up to hit the scoresheet. However, his mins have gone down drastically that’s on Cronin.
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I think it’s on all the players. Terry line is playing well, McTavish line playing well, and we’ve had like 10 minutes of goalie pulled play in the last 2 games, where the young/rookies usually don’t play. They really spread out the ice tine last night, only Terry got what you’d consider 1st line minutes, and he was 1 second under 18, with Frank at 16:40, and everyone else between 12 and 15:50(aside from Gauthier at 11:29).
SwedishFire
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This aged poorly. You have to much faith in all NA journalists writing up NA players..
I mean. It likely will age poorly but this isn't the best time to criticize him for it.
