Player Discussion Leo Carlsson

[Mr Rogers]

Knowing this team, there’s no reason to expect any sort of update tomorrow. Usually they need to get “home” first before they say anything remotely revealing.

 

[ScarTroy]

Knowing this team, there’s no reason to expect any sort of update tomorrow. Usually they need to get “home” first before they say anything remotely revealing.

The update tomorrow will be whether he plays or not.

 

[Mr Rogers]

The update tomorrow will be whether he plays or not.

Oh sure but I doubt he plays.

What a horrible season it’s been for him.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Oh sure but I doubt he plays.

What a horrible season it’s been for him.

It was such a nothing hit, my God

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

It was such a nothing hit, my God

I mean his head went into the boards a bit... I wouldn't call it a nothing hit by any stretch

 

[robbieboy3686]

I mean his head went into the boards a bit... I wouldn't call it a nothing hit by any stretch

As hockey players you kind of need to use your athleticism to avoid the disaster scenarios. Bad luck I guess

 

[190Octane]

It was such a nothing hit, my God

It looked like his head was driven into the boards. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a facial injury instead of a concussion.

 

[robbieboy3686]

It looked like his head was driven into the boards. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a facial injury instead of a concussion.

I’m guessing he plays tomorrow

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I'm guessing he doesn't.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

It was a 5 on 3 and he should not put himself in that situation...learning experience..

 

[Dessloch]

Does not look like much unless you have previous concussion history or the team wants to take zero risks and kept him off the rest of the game to play it safe, thats the best scenario.

 

[Terry Yake]

i'd be shocked if he plays tomorrow. he just got back from a flukey head injury or whatever it was, so they're for sure going to play it safe and sit him out for a game or two. and that's assuming he doesn't have a concussion

 

[2faded]

Once again putting himself in a vulnerable position. Not a good trend that he keeps doing this.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Once again putting himself in a vulnerable position. Not a good trend that he keeps doing this.

Exactly.. it's a 5 on 3 and he trys to squeeze through a guy. Like why do that? Pass it up and gain the zone. Your up 2 men bro

 

[Kalv]

Happy birthday Leo:



You're not a teenager anymore

 

[Frosted Tips]

Happy birthday Leo:



You're not a teenager anymore

Mature mutant ninja Leo?

 

[GermanRocket7]

Mature mutant ninja Leo?

Wish he were mature both physically and mentally already.

 

[Hey234]

Zack Cavanaugh said this in an article after the game tonight:

The Ducks’ opening tally was Carlsson’s first goal in six games. The 20-year-old Swede became the youngest player in Ducks history to reach 20 career NHL goals beating out teammate Mason McTavish by 250 days.

I think this puts into perspective what Carlsson is going through. Getzlaf, Perry, Ryan, Terry, etc... all had more time to develop before the NHL. Carlsson just needs time and no more injuries.

 

[HanSolo]

Zack Cavanaugh said this in an article after the game tonight:



I think this puts into perspective what Carlsson is going through. Getzlaf, Perry, Ryan, Terry, etc... all had more time to develop before the NHL. Carlsson just needs time and no more injuries.

This is true. Again, guys like Bedard, McDavid, Crosby, Celebrini etc. are the exception, not the rule.

For me the talent is there, the vision is there, the IQ to make plays that other players simply don't have the skill and mindset to even attempt, it's all there. He just needs to get stronger and work on his timing, and get actual linemates. Killorn and Leason would be fourth liners on most teams and their abject lack of chemistry isn't helping Leo at all. If anything he's been more prone to try to take the puck to the net himself and rarely tries to set his linemates up because it looks like he doesn't trust them. And why should he? He fed Killorn near the crease for a high danger chance, and Killorn settled the puck, waited a second after positioning it on his backhand and flung it well wide of the goal. It's just par for the course. Strength and experience will help him improve naturally.

But he needs better linemates and he needs better guidance on cleaning up his mistakes. I worry that this tendency he's built up to try to bull the puck through traffic by himself is going to detract from him honing his strengths. He needs to get better at knowing when to retreat and look for space. He's a smart enough player to do it. It just hasn't clicked yet.

 

[duckpuck]

This is true. Again, guys like Bedard, McDavid, Crosby, Celebrini etc. are the exception, not the rule.

For me the talent is there, the vision is there, the IQ to make plays that other players simply don't have the skill and mindset to even attempt, it's all there. He just needs to get stronger and work on his timing, and get actual linemates. Killorn and Leason would be fourth liners on most teams and their abject lack of chemistry isn't helping Leo at all. If anything he's been more prone to try to take the puck to the net himself and rarely tries to set his linemates up because it looks like he doesn't trust them. And why should he? He fed Killorn near the crease for a high danger chance, and Killorn settled the puck, waited a second after positioning it on his backhand and flung it well wide of the goal. It's just par for the course. Strength and experience will help him improve naturally.

But he needs better linemates and he needs better guidance on cleaning up his mistakes. I worry that this tendency he's built up to try to bull the puck through traffic by himself is going to detract from him honing his strengths. He needs to get better at knowing when to retreat and look for space. He's a smart enough player to do it. It just hasn't clicked yet.

Agree in part and disagree in part.

I agree he needs to get stronger and better line mates. The line mates are the bigger issue.

Where I disagree is that I marvel how Leo seems to almost always be "in the right place" and make a good decision. I think the puck (dis)possession issues are a direct result of his linemates not being up to par.

I think it is a question of "when" not "if." The results will come at some point as he develops and plays with better talent.

 

[Wheatens]

This is true. Again, guys like Bedard, McDavid, Crosby, Celebrini etc. are the exception, not the rule.

For me the talent is there, the vision is there, the IQ to make plays that other players simply don't have the skill and mindset to even attempt, it's all there. He just needs to get stronger and work on his timing, and get actual linemates. Killorn and Leason would be fourth liners on most teams and their abject lack of chemistry isn't helping Leo at all. If anything he's been more prone to try to take the puck to the net himself and rarely tries to set his linemates up because it looks like he doesn't trust them. And why should he? He fed Killorn near the crease for a high danger chance, and Killorn settled the puck, waited a second after positioning it on his backhand and flung it well wide of the goal. It's just par for the course. Strength and experience will help him improve naturally.

But he needs better linemates and he needs better guidance on cleaning up his mistakes. I worry that this tendency he's built up to try to bull the puck through traffic by himself is going to detract from him honing his strengths. He needs to get better at knowing when to retreat and look for space. He's a smart enough player to do it. It just hasn't clicked yet.

This game against the Jets was the first time since that Kartye hit where he provided a small glimmer into how dominant he can become. His transition into the o-zone for his goal is something he hasn't done in a minute, that steam train type of momentum through the neutral zone whilst under control of the puck is so fun. He was also very good on the forecheck today, and did well along the boards. Would also like to add that although the points haven't been there, I think he is still playing a good defensive game for his age.

 

[LuGBuG]

Fowler raved about Leo on chiclets and talked about how good he’s going to be.

 

[2faded]

This game against the Jets was the first time since that Kartye hit where he provided a small glimmer into how dominant he can become. His transition into the o-zone for his goal is something he hasn't done in a minute, that steam train type of momentum through the neutral zone whilst under control of the puck is so fun. He was also very good on the forecheck today, and did well along the boards. Would also like to add that although the points haven't been there, I think he is still playing a good defensive game for his age.

Steam train is a great way to put it. On a couple shifts he came is so fast on the forecheck and stole the puck. When he gets bigger, if he can play like that consistently he's going to be a beast. Especially if he starts throwing some hits on the forecheck.

 

[HanSolo]

Agree in part and disagree in part.

I agree he needs to get stronger and better line mates. The line mates are the bigger issue.

Where I disagree is that I marvel how Leo seems to almost always be "in the right place" and make a good decision. I think the puck (dis)possession issues are a direct result of his linemates not being up to par.

I think it is a question of "when" not "if." The results will come at some point as he develops and plays with better talent.

I mean sometimes, yes. A lot of his failed passes are the direct result of Killorn and Leason not skating hard enough to get to the areas of the pass or not looking. And then you mix in the obvious dunderheaded bullshit from Killorn be it shooting the puck right at a defender's legs, passing the puck to nobody, getting muscled off the puck or, especially, dumping the puck before Leo and Leason are in position to go chase (KILLORN RANT YOU CAN SKIP: this seriously annoys me more than anything else our players do. He just mindlessly dumps the puck in because that's what he thinks he has to do but it's almost always basically a turnover because he does it before his linemates have the opportunity to retrieve it. Dump and chase is a dinosaur system in this day and age as is but the point of the strategy is to position your linemates to go win board battles and leave the defense disrupted so you can get net front chances. Killorn seems to think the only thing he needs to do is dump and pray for a forechecking recovery when the opponents inevitably collect the dumped in puck. I get on Mac's case about choices that might indicate diminished hockey IQ but Killorn's constant dump/no chase all season long, I think he might actually be a moron...clinically)

Sorry I just needed to vent because it's been driving me up a wall. The point I wanted to make before I started ranting was that I agree that Leo's line is making it harder for him to be effective. But a consequence of that seems to be that Leo doesn't trust his linemates, understandably, and he's resorted to trying to carry the puck through traffic himself to make chances for himself. I don't know if that's Cronin telling him to do that or if it's a product of frustration, but a lot of the times Leo will get knocked off the puck and the play dies. He's not understanding when it's the right time to either retreat and look for space elsewhere or a pass, or try to move laterally to throw defenders off. On a lot of plays, he's just bulling straight towards the net.

Take someone like Getzlaf or Eichel for a modern comparison. These guys were/are masters at knowing when to circle, when to reverse, to create space for themselves and draw defenders towards them. Both guys would often leverage that to catch a defender in an awkward position allowing for a rush forward at the exact right time or a good pass from the hole in the defense the puck carrier's patience created. Now I'm not saying that Leo needs to be a dangling offensive zone weaver like Getz and Eichel but a bit more of that sense of when to back off instead of bulling right at the net will help him and play to his innate vision and hockey IQ a lot better than what he's doing right now.

This game against the Jets was the first time since that Kartye hit where he provided a small glimmer into how dominant he can become. His transition into the o-zone for his goal is something he hasn't done in a minute, that steam train type of momentum through the neutral zone whilst under control of the puck is so fun. He was also very good on the forecheck today, and did well along the boards. Would also like to add that although the points haven't been there, I think he is still playing a good defensive game for his age.

I don't know that I agree. He had flashes in all three games I attended last week, it was just more pronounced last night because he had fewer instances of trying to bull past 2-3 defenders at once and losing it. I agree with everything else.

 

[HanSolo]

Fowler raved about Leo on chiclets and talked about how good he’s going to be.

Watched it on my lunch break. If I messed up the start from link it starts at 2 hours 27 min or so

Kinda made me sad to hear him talk about how he felt like it was a good time to move on and leave room for Zell, Lacombe and Minty. Like he's right, but there's something sad about him becoming the "old man" who needs to step aside for the new kids.