Player Discussion Leo Carlsson

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Does it? After the last five years I'm not so sure.
Speaking for myself this season is probably the one I'm most looking forward to in the last 5 years atleast. Pretty much anything from the end of the RC years to last year wasn't enjoyable for the most part, but IMO the Ducks have legitimate talent now in terms of ability, we just lack on defense and overall experience


But I can see a world where the Ducks have 3 legit scoring lines and atleast play more entertaining hockey
 

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The more I review some of the plays he made last year, he does remind me a lot of a lankier and taller Nick Backstrom. I mean that in terms of the cerebral play and outstanding vision in the neutral zone. Also has a shot that is sneaky good.

There is some sort offensive undertone to his game that imo puts him in a different category than Barkov ( I don’t love that comparison). Leo is not a defensive-minded player in the slightest.
I think he'll be better than Backstrom because of his skating and I think Backstrom was helped by the fact that he had Ovi to pass to who would never fail at finishing and even a weak or routine pass can lead to a Ovi goal because of how over powering his shooting was in his prime.
 
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There’s a huge difference between a forward who’s capable defensively and a selke contender
There is. I think Carlsson will be a Selke contender by the time he gets to his mid-20s. He might not quite get to Barkov or Kopitar levels, but he'll get votes throughout his prime, similar to Getzlaf, but with a higher defensive ceiling.
 

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There’s a huge difference between a forward who’s capable defensively and a selke contender
It really depends on the year, considering they aren’t generally giving the Selke to guys scoring less than 70ish points, so there have certainly been winners who were merely „the most defensively capable among eligible scorers“.
 

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There’s a huge difference between a forward who’s capable defensively and a selke contender
Hype? :sarcasm:

Seriously though, selke is probably the least legit award to me. There are so many things that go into it there is no way the writers can all be on the same page. Shit, they can't even get on the same page about what it means. Some places say it is the best defensive forward, some places say the best 2-way forward.

It is a prestige award for the most part.
 

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Hype? :sarcasm:

Seriously though, selke is probably the least legit award to me. There are so many things that go into it there is no way the writers can all be on the same page. Shit, they can't even get on the same page about what it means. Some places say it is the best defensive forward, some places say the best 2-way forward.

It is a prestige award for the most part.
Essentially, who's the best player that doesn't have eye popping offensive numbers. It does seem pretty subjective.
 

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It really depends on the year, considering they aren’t generally giving the Selke to guys scoring less than 70ish points, so there have certainly been winners who were merely „the most defensively capable among eligible scorers“.
Probably true but scoring is just way up for everyone now. Of the more recent winners I’d say most are also pretty much seen league-wide as elite defensive forwards, amongst the most responsible on their teams and in the league. You can’t give the selke to the 30 pt guy similar to the Norris but these guys are all elite defensively.

I don’t see Leo getting there, which is absolutely fine , even preferable IMO.
 

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I think he'll be better than Backstrom because of his skating and I think Backstrom was helped by the fact that he had Ovi to pass to who would never fail at finishing and even a weak or routine pass can lead to a Ovi goal because of how over powering his shooting was in his prime.
In a silo, Carlsson 100% has the size and toolkit to be a better player than Backstrom. But, as you said, Backs had the benefit of feeding Ovechkin on a nightly basis which helped boost his stats (rightfully so). Carlson has a bit of Backstrom, Kopitar, Barkov, and Sundin in his game... stylistically. He was my 3rd favorite player in the draft on draft day (behind Bedard and Michkov) and the sky is the limit with this kid. Plus, it looks like he and Gauthier are going to be a magnificent duo for many years.

Great vid. Cool of the organization to do that and Chris' reaction put a smile on my face.
Is it me or does Carlsson seem like one of the genuine good guys? You can see it in his eyes... he's a pure and kind kid... the type you love to root for.
 

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In a silo, Carlsson 100% has the size and toolkit to be a better player than Backstrom. But, as you said, Backs had the benefit of feeding Ovechkin on a nightly basis which helped boost his stats (rightfully so). Carlson has a bit of Backstrom, Kopitar, Barkov, and Sundin in his game... stylistically. He was my 3rd favorite player in the draft on draft day (behind Bedard and Michkov) and the sky is the limit with this kid. Plus, it looks like he and Gauthier are going to be a magnificent duo for many years.


Is it me or does Carlsson seem like one of the genuine good guys? You can see it in his eyes... he's a pure and kind kid... the type you love to root for.
Certainly the sense I get from him.
 
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In a silo, Carlsson 100% has the size and toolkit to be a better player than Backstrom. But, as you said, Backs had the benefit of feeding Ovechkin on a nightly basis which helped boost his stats (rightfully so). Carlson has a bit of Backstrom, Kopitar, Barkov, and Sundin in his game... stylistically. He was my 3rd favorite player in the draft on draft day (behind Bedard and Michkov) and the sky is the limit with this kid. Plus, it looks like he and Gauthier are going to be a magnificent duo for many years.


Is it me or does Carlsson seem like one of the genuine good guys? You can see it in his eyes... he's a pure and kind kid... the type you love to root for.
I agree.

Almost makes me want to go out and buy a Volvo haha
 
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Hoping that Leo will have a full season, what's the points total we should expect from him this year?
He was on pace for 43 in his rookie year. I don’t think he’ll regress. So factor in improvements in strength, skill development, stamina, and consistency at your discretion. Anywhere between 55-75 is my guess, in a full season.
 

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Hoping that Leo will have a full season, what's the points total we should expect from him this year?

Somewhat echoing @The Midnight Burrito I would expect him to be hitting 60+ points with a PILE of near-misses due to his insane vision and people not expecting the passes he can pull off (Getzlafian passes without the drop passes I hope).
 

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I'm predicting Leo will get to 18 goals and 40 assists, assuming he plays something like 75 games. I hope I'm underestimating, but that seems like a good jump for year 2. I think year 3 is when we see him go nuts. But 55-60 points would be a really nice season. I think we see 25-25-50 from Gauthier and something similar from Killorn.
 

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Leo still needs a couple more years to properly fill out his frame, similarly to Sennecke. Both of them had late growth spurts, but once they're 22-23 years old they're going to be capable of physically dominating the ice.
 

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Leo still needs a couple more years to properly fill out his frame, similarly to Sennecke. Both of them had late growth spurts, but once they're 22-23 years old they're going to be capable of physically dominating the ice.
One difference for me between Carlsson and Sennecke is that, despite being a twig, Beckett already seems confident and willing to throw his body around.

The worry I have with Leo is that, even if he fills out, convincing him to be physical might be like convincing Getz to shoot more. I just think it's hard to get a player to think that way when they're already 23/24.

That said I don't think he needs to be a very physical player to be successful, just a little bit might go a long way for him.
 

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