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Player Discussion Leo Carlsson

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Leonardo87 said:
So lot of media dissing Carlsson. Don’t even have him in Calder consideration next season or even top 3 among prospects in the league.

At this point I think I want him to stay in the SHL really develop strong, then let Bedard and Fantilli battle for the Calder this season, Leo can have a excellent chance to win it in the 2024-25 season.

Be warned fellas, Fantilli is going to be successful playing with Johnny hockey next year, and we are going to hear the “Ducks F’d up crap” Don’t fret we need to stay patient. Our D needs at least another year to come together and there will be more speed bumps this coming season.

Is it October yet? Because I’m so F’ing bored, lol
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I dont even see that as a diss. And its cool that the past 2 years our top prospects were in the Calder hunt, but it doesnt mean much of anything. Not to mention Bedard is taking the Calder unless he gets hurt.

Carlsson might not be the most NHL ready, but that doesnt mean anything long term. Fantilli is more NHL ready. He's going to, likely, do more in a shorter time frame that Carlsson. Thats fine and everyone here should accept and expect that to be the case.

Ill start comparing Fantilli to Carlsson in about 3-4 years. Until then, its meaningless.
 
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Fantilli can obviously dominate his peers, as evidenced by the Hobey Baker. But there is a pretty wide gulf between NCAA players and NHL players.

I'm sure he'll be a great player but I really don't see him being a slam-dunk Calder front runner. I don't see Leo being in that category either, FWIW.
 
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A D+1 player has not won the Calder since 2017. The odds are none of these guys (except maybe Bedard if he is who we expect) win the Calder.
 
I definitely think Verbeek had a huge say in this pick if not the entire decision. If it goes as expected (Fantilli becomes a Tkachuk like superstar) this is what will finally/hopefully cost him his job.
 
The second Carlsson was picked by the Ducks he was going to start getting underrated. They never care about us. Top it off with him being foreign and having a stutter, I’m not really surprised North American media isn’t really connecting with him.

After seeing McIlvane in the videos though, it seems like he’s a good players/ development coach, which was also the reports on him. I’d like Leo to take the Rantanen approach and spend a year in SD with him.
 
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ScarTroy said:
The second Carlsson was picked by the Ducks he was going to start getting underrated. They never care about us. Top it off with him being foreign and having a stutter, I’m not really surprised North American media isn’t really connecting with him.

After seeing McIlvane in the videos though, it seems like he’s a good players/ development coach, which was also the reports on him. I’d like Leo to take the Rantanen approach and spend a year in SD with him.
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I don’t think having a stutter has anything to do with it and he’s clearly not shy as evidenced by some of the appearances and podcasts that he’s done. I think it’s more like his play style and being on the Ducks.
 
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70sSanO said:
Hopefully not. If there were 3v3 scrimmages in ‘03, we probably would have moved Getzlaf if it mattered.

John
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I think the size is perfect. It creates a high speed game with lots of quick decision making. I remember the mini rink in San Clemente, which was a lot smaller than that, always had pros during the summer playing 2v2. I used to always see the Lightning guys playing.
 
Trojans86 said:
I think the size is perfect. It creates a high speed game with lots of quick decision making. I remember the mini rink in San Clemente, which was a lot smaller than that, always had pros during the summer playing 2v2. I used to always see the Lightning guys playing.
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Shoot to score was awesome.
 
Leonardo87 said:
Sorry, but a guy who won’t hit the NHL till at least 3 years being rated above you, is a diss.
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Unless he believes Michkov will be here well before 3 years, like many people do. The player, as well as Briere, both hinted at it. Michkov could arrive as early as next summer if he negotiates out of his contract. However, I believe it will be the following summer.
 
Boxscore said:
Unless he believes Michkov will be here well before 3 years, like many people do. The player, as well as Briere, both hinted at it. Michkov could arrive as early as next summer if he negotiates out of his contract. However, I believe it will be the following summer.
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I doubt if Philly drafts him if they think it's going to be a 3 year wait.
 
ScarTroy said:
The second Carlsson was picked by the Ducks he was going to start getting underrated. They never care about us. Top it off with him being foreign and having a stutter, I’m not really surprised North American media isn’t really connecting with him.

After seeing McIlvane in the videos though, it seems like he’s a good players/ development coach, which was also the reports on him. I’d like Leo to take the Rantanen approach and spend a year in SD with him.
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Isn’t Z on the cover of the latest NHL game…
 
Gliff said:
I promise you the devs have zero to do with marketing/ who is on the cover.

Carlsson is not a marketing dream but it has nothing to do with him being a Duck.
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If you’re going to promise they have zero to do with that, you should at least source it.

And I never said it’s only because he’s a Duck, but it’s definitely part of the reason. Small market problems but it’s definitely part of it.
 
HunterDuck said:
Isn’t Z on the cover of the latest NHL game…
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While I don’t think Carlsson being a duck is a big factor in him already being underrated, I would argue Zegras is on the cover despite being a duck. If he was a Ranger he would be on the cover, buses, billboards and Statue of Liberty.
 
carlsson just isn't flashy. fantilli is the far more exciting player to watch and the fact that he's a NA prospect just adds to his hype. i know no one gives a shit about the ducks, but if fantilli was a duck, he's still be getting all the attention because he's just more exciting to watch
 
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ScarTroy said:
If you’re going to promise they have zero to do with that, you should at least source it.

And I never said it’s only because he’s a Duck, but it’s definitely part of the reason. Small market problems but it’s definitely part of it.
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I cannot think of the last European prospect that played his juniors career in Europe that was any kind of immediately marketable player not named Ovechkin.
 
Ducks DVM said:
I cannot think of the last European prospect that played his juniors career in Europe that was any kind of immediately marketable player not named Ovechkin.
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Yeah if you read my original post, I said as much. However, if Carlsson was going to about 80% of the teams in the league over us, he’d be getting more hype. We’re a small market who plays while the media guys are sleeping.
 
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nbducksfan19 said:
I feel like Michov was….then russia.
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There was a lot of NHL insider buzz around him, but I don’t think he’s publicly marketable until he shows he’s Ovechkin. Kaprizov isn’t nationally marketable, Panarin isn’t nationally marketable, Dahlin isn’t nationally marketable, etc.
 
ScarTroy said:
If you’re going to promise they have zero to do with that, you should at least source it.

And I never said it’s only because he’s a Duck, but it’s definitely part of the reason. Small market problems but it’s definitely part of it.
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I worked on a video game development team at a AAA studio for many years. I’m the source of what I’m saying based on knowing how game development actually works.
 
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ScarTroy said:
Yeah if you read my original post, I said as much. However, if Carlsson was going to about 80% of the teams in the league over us, he’d be getting more hype. We’re a small market who plays while the media guys are sleeping.
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the only way carlsson would be getting more hype than fantilli is if he had gone to a team like toronto, NYR, boston, or pittsburgh. don't underestimate the NA hype train
 
Gliff said:
I worked on a video game development team at a AAA studio for many years. I’m the source of what I’m saying based on knowing how game development actually works.
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Fair enough. So based on your experience, the media decided Zegras would be the cover athlete?
Terry Yake said:
the only way carlsson would be getting more hype than fantilli is if he had gone to a team like toronto, NYR, boston, or pittsburgh. don't underestimate the NA hype train
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I never said Carlsson would get more hype then Fantilli, just that as soon as he went to the ducks he became underrated, more so than he would have been on most other teams.
 
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