Value of: Legit youngish starter to Ottawa

[Golden_Jet]

Gus moves so much better it’s blatantly obvious he is the more talented player. Gus was good in ottawa other than when the was playing in front of a skeleton of a team. They were absolutely abysmal in front of him last year. He was also up and down like a yo yo. Talbot didnt have close to as good a season as Gus is currently having in Minny and was much worse in ottawa in front of a much better team than Gus ever got to play for in Ottawa. Since 2020 he has only had one poor stretch and that was with Ottawa when they literally had an AHL roster. He was good absolutely every where else. Including Ottawa and Belleville. Which is a much larger sample size than the one you are choosing to use.

In Minny
Talbot 32-12
Gus 32-22
I prefer wins.

And I didn’t choose the 8 game sample size, that was you stating his 931 save percentage.

 

[Soundgarden]

Nashville's roster is top-heavy with guys over 30 - itd take them at least 4+ years

We've got plenty of guys 25 and under, our rebuild is already well under way.

 

[NHL Fanatik]

We've got plenty of guys 25 and under, our rebuild is already well under way.

Itd take a few years to find suitors for your bigger, older contracts alone; that doesnt include drafting high for a few years and then those guys having to mature

You have some nice players but youre way off of an actual rebuild; which Nashville really needs since theyve been 'contending' for a long time under Poile.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

They should try to get better defensively first and get an older avg goalie.

 

[Armourboy]

Itd take a few years to find suitors for your bigger, older contracts alone; that doesnt include drafting high for a few years and then those guys having to mature

You have some nice players but youre way off of an actual rebuild; which Nashville really needs since theyve been 'contending' for a long time under Poile.

TBH by the time two years roles around all you are going to have left of those bigger contracts is Josi, Forsberg, and maybe a year left of Duchene. Everyone else will have timed out or has already been traded. This organization will never do a full tear down style rebuild, the ownership won't allow it because they want to keep butts in seats.

Saros won't go anywhere until we know how Askarov will pan out simply because we have nothing else in the organization. Saros is 28, Rinne was 39 when he retired, he's got plenty of time.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

All jokes aside Julien was exactly what the Bruins needed back then. The Sens roster looks really solid. Imo they need an upgrade at D in a couple spots. Julien may not be the long term solution but he’s great to get the direction of the ship turned.

I agree. They have the pieces, they just need a coach to set them up to succeed. I think DJ is a decent coach, and its not like he's had lots of talent to work with until this season. But there is a reason that most coaches don't last five years in the NHL. Sometimes a fresh voice is needed, and I really do believe that's what the Senators need most right now.

If the Senators are serious, they'll spend some big dollars to bring in a legit big ticket, experienced head coach for the first time since Murray.

 

[Soundgarden]

Itd take a few years to find suitors for your bigger, older contracts alone; that doesnt include drafting high for a few years and then those guys having to mature

You have some nice players but youre way off of an actual rebuild; which Nashville really needs since theyve been 'contending' for a long time under Poile.

You might not pay attention to Nashville but we have been getting rid of big contracts(Ellis, Ekholm, Granlund) and have been drafting high or smart(Kemell, Evangelista, Svechkov, L'Heureux, Askarov)
The prospects that we've drafted or acquired a few years ago are getting time in the NHL now (Glass, Novak, Stastny, Afansyev, Parssinen, Tomasino)
We're a lot farther along than you think.

We've got no pressure to move Saros and we may never trade him tbh.

 

[SomeDude]

Tristan Jarry’s rights for a leftover roll of Matt Murray’s tape.

 

[bert]

In Minny
Talbot 32-12
Gus 32-22
I prefer wins.

And I didn’t choose the 8 game sample size, that was you stating his 931 save percentage.

You choose an 18 game sample size over 70. You know who didn't choose Talbot and choose actual stats and the eye test. Guerin. Not only did he choose Fleury he also made a tremendous trade dumping an overpaid 35 year old for a 24 year old just entering his prime. Talbot has been horrid you watch all the games I'm shocked that you're going this route. Sens get any consistency from Talbot at all and there likely still in a playoff battle. Injured and inconsistent. Sunk their season.

 

[NHL Fanatik]

You might not pay attention to Nashville but we have been getting rid of big contracts(Ellis, Ekholm, Granlund) and have been drafting high or smart(Kemell, Evangelista, Svechkov, L'Heureux, Askarov)
The prospects that we've drafted or acquired a few years ago are getting time in the NHL now (Glass, Novak, Stastny, Afansyev, Parssinen, Tomasino)
We're a lot farther along than you think.

We've got no pressure to move Saros and we may never trade him tbh.

Still more contracts to go and almost none of that talent is top-end

 

[Armourboy]

Still more contracts to go and almost none of that talent is top-end

They won't be going anywhere, Josi and Forsberg both have full NMC's so unless they want out they aren't going anywhere. The rest basically have bad enough contracts no one is going to take them til the final year with retention anyways.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

What would you offer for Tom Wilson? He could make you guys a pretty scary matchup. Would you go 2 1st rounders?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I wonder if they take a look at Blackwood, first couple years were pretty strong, last couple were not as strong.

Perhaps a change of scenery is needed.

 

[Golden_Jet]

You choose an 18 game sample size over 70. You know who didn't choose Talbot and choose actual stats and the eye test. Guerin. Not only did he choose Fleury he also made a tremendous trade dumping an overpaid 35 year old for a 24 year old just entering his prime. Talbot has been horrid you watch all the games I'm shocked that you're going this route. Sens get any consistency from Talbot at all and they’re likely still in a playoff battle. Injured and inconsistent. Sunk their season.

No idea about your 18 game sample size , you showed an 8 game sample size on the 931 save percentage

I was just showing stats that Talbot was better in Minny and both were bad in Ottawa. (Same # of wins, Gus with 10 more losses)

In hindsight I take Talbot.

 

[bert]

No idea about your 18 game sample size , you showed an 8 game sample size on the 931 save percentage

I was just showing stats that Talbot was better in Minny and both were bad in Ottawa. (Same # of wins, Gus with 10 more losses)

In hindsight I take Talbot.

Talbot was not better in minny though... You're choosing a team stat over every individual stats. Nothing says Talbot was better and they went with another goalie instead of him with and without hindsight Minnesota choose two other goalies. They literally had him and traded for someone else then traded him after they didn't start him.

No one takes Talbot if they are watching. He sucks he's off his angle all the time. He let's in horrible goals all the time the sens just choose two rookie goalies over him. So if this is your hindsight it's terrible. Or you're just arguing for the sake of it. He's bad.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Carter. Hart.

And yes it will take a haul and then some.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Josh Norris and a 1st for Carter Hart,

Sens will need the salary anyways for Stutz, Tkachuk, Debrincat, Chychrun, Sanderson, Chabot, Pinto, etc etc etc

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

They won't be going anywhere, Josi and Forsberg both have full NMC's so unless they want out they aren't going anywhere. The rest basically have bad enough contracts no one is going to take them til the final year with retention anyways.

Johansen might be LTIRetired already, and Josi and Forsberg are fair value for their contracts. Plus we have at least $7M in Cap space already. Preds have 90 pts this year and should be better next season. Saros is the team's MVP. If anybody thinks he'd be traded this year, then they just don't pay attention.

The Sens have soooo many other options. Fans aren't talking about approaching the Isles for Sorokin, or the Rangers for Shesterkin, or the Jets for Hellebuyck. It's silly that Saros' name ever comes up, because that's the same category he is in. The Sens have more practical, realistic options than these fantasies.

 

[NHL Fanatik]

They won't be going anywhere, Josi and Forsberg both have full NMC's so unless they want out they aren't going anywhere. The rest basically have bad enough contracts no one is going to take them til the final year with retention anyways.

All the more reason Nashville is probably 5-7 years away

Rebuilds take time and Nashville hasnt done one in almost two decades

Johansen might be LTIRetired already, and Josi and Forsberg are fair value for their contracts. Plus we have at least $7M in Cap space already. Preds have 90 pts this year and should be better next season. Saros is the team's MVP. If anybody thinks he'd be traded this year, then they just don't pay attention.

The Sens have soooo many other options. Fans aren't talking about approaching the Isles for Sorokin, or the Rangers for Shesterkin, or the Jets for Hellebuyck. It's silly that Saros' name ever comes up, because that's the same category he is in. The Sens have more practical, realistic options than these fantasies.

Actually if anyone thinks Nashville will ever compete with this roster or while any of the vets are on it - theyre the ones not paying attention

Nashville is headed toward a long bout of mediocrity if they dont sell with the new GM.

 

[NHL Fanatik]

Four straight years of fifth/fourth place in the division with an over-30 defensive core and not one elite offensive talent

The delusion to think Nashville will compete in the next five years for a single playoff round, let alone a Cup, is laughable.

Theres a reason the GM is retiring - and its because its boutta be a long, long rebuild for Nashville

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Four straight years of fifth/fourth place in the division with an over-30 defensive core and not one elite offensive talent

The delusion to think Nashville will compete in the next five years for a single playoff round, let alone a Cup, is laughable.

Theres a reason the GM is retiring - and its because its boutta be a long, long rebuild for Nashville

Utterly clueless. Congrats?

 

[NHL Fanatik]

Utterly clueless. Congrats?

Ah yes, great rebuttal! As good as the Preds winning history

Lmk when the Preds acquire a 60 point forward - or for that matter anyone who can score 60 points. Highest scoring season since 93 and the Preds managed no 60pt players lmfao

 

[Soundgarden]

Ah yes, great rebuttal! As good as the Preds winning history

Lmk when the Preds acquire a 60 point forward - or for that matter anyone who can score 60 points. Highest scoring season since 93 and the Preds managed no 60pt players lmfao

Josi almost had 100 points literally last season and Josi and Duchene would have 60 had they been healthy this year.

 

[NHL Fanatik]

Josi almost had 100 points literally last season and Josi and Duchene would have 60 had they been healthy this year.

Well this isnt 2022 anymore, sorry!

Time moves on and the Preds were last a feared team before covid. Second best goalie in hockey and it led to no playoffs

Dont waste Saros like you wasted Josi and Weber...

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Ah yes, great rebuttal! As good as the Preds winning history

Lmk when the Preds acquire a 60 point forward - or for that matter anyone who can score 60 points. Highest scoring season since 93 and the Preds managed no 60pt players lmfao

You just confirmed you don't follow the NHL, mr. Fanatik. Nice.