News Article: Lebreton...UPDATE - Agreement made with NCC.

[GCK]

I’m not overly concerned about parking. Park right downtown and take a 3 minute LRT ride since your ticket will include transit.

 

[Masked]

I’m not overly concerned about parking. Park right downtown and take a 3 minute LRT ride since your ticket will include transit.

That's not going to happen.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Just saw that the NCC is going to sell 10 acres to the Senators?

Time to buy property in Old Hull, the island should benefit a ton from this!

 

[DackellDuck]

That's not going to happen.

Why not?

The people of Ottawa can be so lame and needy. They want to work 8am-11am (max) at their low stress government jobs (but it must be from home because going to work is a human rights violation) and heaven forbid they can’t park directly in front of the NHL arena they’re attending a few times a year.

These same people then complain that the city is boring and downtown sucks as they spend their weekends watching Netflix in Barrhaven.

 

[Senscore]

Why not?

The people of Ottawa can be so lame and needy. They want to work 8am-11am (max) at their low stress government jobs (but it must be from home because going to work is a human rights violation) and heaven forbid they can’t park directly in front of the NHL arena they’re attending a few times a year.

These same people then complain that the city is boring and downtown sucks as they spend their weekends watching Netflix in Barrhaven.

You've been to the Ottawa subreddit I take it

 

[DackellDuck]

You've been to the Ottawa subreddit I take it

The “human rights violation” tidbit was told to me by my wife who works at one of our lovely crown corporations and when they told employees that they’d have to return to the office 2 days per week, a lady in the Zoom actually said that forcing her to commute was a “human rights violation”. She said it out loud in front of hundreds of people.

I imagine she’ll be very upset if this new rink isn’t surround by acres of parking lot.

 

[Micklebot]

And how does this get back to parking? Lets say hypothetically there are 4000 units, 1000 which are affordable housing realistically how many of those will be available for gameday parking? Seeing as an average 15 story building holds about 400 - 500 tenants Each building might have 200 spots. I don't see extra parking by way of residential allotment practical. It would have to come from the commercial ventures and then I don't see the NCC making way for what goes against their mandate of reducing car traffic and fight climate change.

There are zoning requirements for the amount of parking in condos, I believe it's between .5 and .7 spots per unit downtown, but that's based on unreliable google searches rather that looking up the specific zoning rules. .

 

[Masked]

Why not?

Including transit in a ticket price makes no sense because no one will want to pay for the subsidy.

 

[DackellDuck]

Including transit in a ticket price makes no sense because no one will want to pay for the subsidy.

Are the 400 series buses not currently free if you have a ticket to the game?

*edit: looks like they aren’t. There are free OC busses for Redblacks games though.

So there should be a ticket surcharge of a couple of bucks to cover the cost.

A $2 charge per ticket would cover ~7000 fares (assuming 18k tickets sold).

 

[Golden_Jet]

Including transit in a ticket price makes no sense because no one will want to pay for the subsidy.

Ya not a fan of the doing it for RedBlacks games.

 

[Sensfan5]

Ya not a fan of the doing it for RedBlacks games.

how come? It's super convenient and easy, i get to landsdowne from orleans in 25 minutes at most. most convenient thing OC does.

 

[Micklebot]

Including transit in a ticket price makes no sense because no one will want to pay for the subsidy.

I'm more than willing to pay $2 to reduce the amount of traffic on the way to Sens games. Seems like a good value proposition.

 

[Golden_Jet]

how come? It's super convenient and easy, i get to landsdowne from orleans in 25 minutes at most. most convenient thing OC does.

I have to pay an extra 3 bucks for my ticket that I don’t need to. If people take the bus, then they can pay the bus fare, those that don’t, why are they subsidizing

 

[coladin]

Affordable housing will make up a very small percentage of the units there. No one is spending Billions of dollars to rent out 2000, $1000, 2 bedroom apartments. These new builds will be condos with hefty monthly condo fee's. The condo fees alone would probably equal the cost of an affordable unit.

Lol , affordable rents are not what you are thinking.

 

[Sensfan5]

I have to pay an extra 3 bucks for my ticket that I don’t need to. If people take the bus, then they can pay the bus fare, those that don’t, why are they subsidizing

ohhh sorry i thought you meant you didnyt like taking the bus, which makes sense in 99.999% of situations lol. And i didn't know you paid 3$ extra per ticket but it does make sense. I don't mind it, it encourages people to use the service.

 

[GCK]

That's not going to happen.

I guarantee it will happen.

 

[Masked]

I guarantee it will happen.

And if it doesn't?

 

[Golden_Jet]

I guarantee it will happen.

Hopefully not, 18,000 fans should not be paying an extra $3 a game, when maybe only 1/2 use it. Those that use it can just pay the regular fare price.

 

[Cosmix]

I’m not overly concerned about parking. Park right downtown and take a 3 minute LRT ride since your ticket will include transit.

That does not sound appetizing for higher income people.

Parking is definitely an important requirement that must be addressed. Hopefully the size of the plot will provide sufficient spaces with better access and egress than the current arena.

If the NCC wants to turn Lebreton into a site that attracts a lot of people (e.g., an entertainment district), significant parking will be required.

 

[GCK]

Hopefully not, 18,000 fans should not be paying an extra $3 a game, when maybe only 1/2 use it. Those that use it can just pay the regular fare price.

A transit surcharge is a way the city can justify spending taxpayer dollars on helping pay for the rink even thought the vast majority of taxpayers won’t use the building.

 

[Golden_Jet]

A transit surcharge is a way the city can justify spending taxpayer dollars on helping pay for the rink even thought the vast majority of taxpayers won’t use the building.

Oh did they announce a P3 partnership I wasn’t aware of.

 

[JD1]

You've been to the Ottawa subreddit I take it

try the public servant sub reddit....oof.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Ottawa being a government town is filled with Karen's and Darren's and important decisions move at a snails pace with a ton of bureaucracy bs.

Downtown arena with a fully functioning competent public transit system from one end of the city to the other. Is that too much to ask for.

 

[caymanmew]

Hopefully not, 18,000 fans should not be paying an extra $3 a game, when maybe only 1/2 use it. Those that use it can just pay the regular fare price.

And the half that use it... I'd bet at least half of that already have a monthly Presto card as they use the bus often.

I wouldn't be a huge fan of paying an extra $3 for the bus that I already paid for...

 

[DackellDuck]

Hopefully not, 18,000 fans should not be paying an extra $3 a game, when maybe only 1/2 use it. Those that use it can just pay the regular fare price.

The reality is, though, that the taxpayers in Ottawa will be subsidizing this building. And not everyone will use it. Not everyone cares about the Senators. Or Avril Lavigne concerts.

But they’ll pay, because in the grand scheme of things, keeping the team here and revitalizing the core has been deemed important.

So an extra couple bucks per ticket to encourage people to take public transit isn’t much to ask for.

But maybe a compromise. Let’s forget about a surcharge on tickets and add $5-7 to the cost of parking to support transit.

Better?