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Post-Game Talk: Leafs win 4-3 in the shootout
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TMLeafer
Rest in Peace Johnny Bower
Guaranteed sportnet 40 minute panel summit deciding whether that should be 10 games OR 15 games, if it was reversed.
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Good hockey game, both goalies played well..
Thought this is a game that Toronto needs to find ways to win. Would have been better not to give up the game tying goal with 1 min left.
Thought this is a game that Toronto needs to find ways to win. Would have been better not to give up the game tying goal with 1 min left.
Donnie740
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Not sure if you’ve noticed, but the Leafs have been dominating for the past six weeks with the consistent four lines and three defence pairings.
Why would you suddenly want to start shuffling everything up and destroy all that chemistry? When line combinations are working well, FFS leave them alone.
This is not video game hockey, my friend.
ToneDog
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As Zybalto pointed out, second line is getting caved. Others were concerned about Domi in the 3rd hole in the playoffs, let alone the 2nd.
Bertuzzi/Domi/Nylander line so far this season:
Shots: 53-49
Scoring Chances: 40-58
High Danger Chances: 12-23
xGF%: 37.57
Goals: 7-6
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Keefe knows about the 2nd line being awful in their own zone, it's why Nylander got benched for the final 8 mins in the first.
In saying that, I think this is a better solution for the playoffs, when the 2nd line is actually on, we have a top 9 that is hard to play against, in comparison to having only 2 lines like that.
Fogelhund
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How do other teams get 58 scoring chances on 49 shots?
As far as xGF%... Rangers leader was Rempe yesterday. Laffernire was 33%
Also Money Puck has them as being 7 - 5 in goals.
They are scoring at a good pace, but giving up too many goals.
That line does need to be better, and some of that just comes down to Nylander not blowing coverage, and wouldn't matter who the C was... ultimately if we are outshooting and outscoring other teams with this line out there, that's ok... though Money Puck also shows they have different shot totals than you've suggested, and that they are getting outshot.
Won’t worry about the 2nd line too much. As we all know putting Domi and Bert on a line, two of the non defensive players in the league together will result in lack of defense on that line.
I think even having Bergy at his prime on that line won’t make that line defensive reliable.
I think even having Bergy at his prime on that line won’t make that line defensive reliable.
Donnie740
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That’s why you have to actually watch the games instead of just looking at the stat sheet, my friend.
Domi and Bert are playing their best hockey of the year since being paired with Nylander.
The other three lines are playing great together - - why would you want to disrupt their chemistry? It makes ZERO sense.
ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Not a stats guru like Zybalto but I assume not every scoring chance results in a SOG. Perhaps they hit a post or two?
ToneDog
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Normally I do not pay attention to stats, but the numbers Zybalto posted are somewhat concerning. They might get by in the regular season but it might be a different story when you play the same team every other night in a 7 game series. I don't think bringing in a #2C will disrupt the chemistry. In fact, might be the difference between winning and losing to the Bruins in round #1.
Donnie740
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“Getting caved” is a cute little term but it’s even more ridiculous than it sounds when you’re basing it on subjective stat sheet garbage like expected high danger chances. Who decides what constitutes “high danger” or “expected” goals? This is where statistics gimps get carried away and show their lack of knowledge.
Being on the ice for 13 out of 15 goals against like Justin Holl was during last year’s playoffs is an example of “getting caved”. But the analytic gimps would insist that Holl’s “metrics” during that catastrophically bad stretch were actually very good.
Giving up high draft picks or top prospects just to try and improve meaningless spreadsheet numbers like “high danger chances” and “expected shots on goal” is something Kyle Dumbass would do.
Results. That’s the only thing that matters - - results.
The Leafs are playing their best hockey in several years over the past six weeks with the current line combinations.
The Nylander/Domi/Bert line is actually out shooting the opposing line and have only been outscored by ONE (1) goal.
For the love of God, put the subjective spreadsheets in the recycling bin.
Being on the ice for 13 out of 15 goals against like Justin Holl was during last year’s playoffs is an example of “getting caved”. But the analytic gimps would insist that Holl’s “metrics” during that catastrophically bad stretch were actually very good.
Giving up high draft picks or top prospects just to try and improve meaningless spreadsheet numbers like “high danger chances” and “expected shots on goal” is something Kyle Dumbass would do.
Results. That’s the only thing that matters - - results.
The Leafs are playing their best hockey in several years over the past six weeks with the current line combinations.
The Nylander/Domi/Bert line is actually out shooting the opposing line and have only been outscored by ONE (1) goal.
For the love of God, put the subjective spreadsheets in the recycling bin.
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Glad the Leafs won of course but I just want to say how great of a game that was. Honestly probably one of best all around games I’ve seen all year. It had everything. Both these teams would have a great playoff series. It had a playoff feel from puck drop. A good test for the Leafs
Clark4Ever
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Yes. Even for a neutral observer, that was one of the best games of the season between 2 marquee teams.
Scion
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Heard the sound bites of Tocchet and he literally said stats only matters when you win. Ofcourse he was referring to Goals, assists and points instead of advance stats but I cannot disagree with that.
rumman
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As others have pointed out, you can have a scoring chance and miss the net. Us Leafs fans should know that all too well for certain stretches of play lol.
Domi has never been a great defensive 3C, let alone having to handle 2C responsibilities so it's not really a surprise his line is allowing big chances but in the end, they are still outscoring the other side and that is the bottom line I guess.
There is a discrepancy between Moneypuck and NST (where I got my stats) but my point remains the same. Let's see how the next game goes against the Bruins.
rumman
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I can count on one hand how many good games Brodie has had this year and I'm missing two fingers........
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Too bad they iced the puck leading to the tying goal.
You'd think they'd stop doing that late in the game leading by 1 goal.
Notsince67
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Interesting that moneypuck now has the Leafs in the lead for odds to win the cup
CuuuJooo
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Same. The puck passing through the crease always negated it.
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