Post-Game Talk: Leafs win 3-2 against the Preds

[All Mod Cons]

Berube needs to be in the Jack Adams conversation, the way he has this team playing/competing. The adjustment in the 3rd flipped the entire game. I thought we were the better team for most of the game, but putting Knies and Marner back with Matthews, 2 quick goals and a complete momentum change.

Was at the game live last night, it's tough to see behind the play sometimes on TV but Tanev's hockey IQ is through the roof. The guy is always looking all over the ice and repositioning, almost always makes the safe/correct play all over the ice. He really stood out to me last night.

Bradley should be in the running for the Jim Gregory award as well.

Hey @DarkKnight did you post the Game Score Impact card for last night?
I may have missed it and no idea where to find it on my own.

Just go to one of the geeks on social media. The ones that hate solid defensemen. They'll have it.

 

[DarkKnight]

Hey @DarkKnight did you post the Game Score Impact card for last night?
I may have missed it and no idea where to find it on my own.

Marner fifth game in a row on top...Not our best numbers for the team overall.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Apologies if someone posted this already (can't be bothered to read the entire thread). Had a quick peek at what moneypuck had to say about last night and found this interesting.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Marner fifth game in a row on top...Not our best numbers for the team overall.

I don't know what game score is, I wonder why it rates him so highly when moneypuck does not?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Can't help but be negative, literally everyone knew Marner would be lights out this time of year. He is every year. What he hasn't shown is he is able to be impactful like this anywhere close to when it counts.

Everyone knows how good Marner is as a player. It's why we hate on him so much for his performances in the playoffs

You have no choice but to have faith. They're not going to trade him. They are trying to sign him. There will be no one in free agency as good as him. Perhaps the better defensive team and structure Berube is coaching will be conducive to better results. We don't really care who scores as long as they win.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You have no choice but to have faith. They're not going to trade him. They are trying to sign him. There will be no one in free agency as good as him. Perhaps the better defensive team and structure Berube is coaching will be conducive to better results. We don't really care who scores as long as they win.

More accurate to say we have no choice but to have hope. Marner's great for 86 games a year, then he becomes a non-factor. This is a well established pattern and I assume we all hope it changes. As far as having faith that it will change, that's just not possible, not for me anyway.

 

[Damisoph]

he's got his Cup, living in a no-pressure city strumming his guitar. I'm sure he's good

 

[All Mod Cons]

I don't know what game score is, I wonder why it rates him so highly when moneypuck does not?

Because none of it means anything?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Because none of it means anything?

Pretty much. I've always said this stuff should be taken for entertainment purposes only, some people read way too much into these numbers. I work with data so I always wonder about stuff like this - how are they calculating these numbers? But yeah when one site says Marner was the best player and another shows him below 50%, that's pretty telling.

 

[Cams]

Pretty much. I've always said this stuff should be taken for entertainment purposes only, some people read way too much into these numbers. I work with data so I always wonder about stuff like this - how are they calculating these numbers? But yeah when one site says Marner was the best player and another shows him below 50%, that's pretty telling.

Kind of like the old addage......statistics (the discipline) can prove that a golf ball is flat if you crunch the numbers right.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Moneypuck's chart shows on-ice xGF% results at 5v5.
The other chart shows a combination of on-ice and individual results in all game states.
Not understanding that you're looking at two different things doesn't make the data wrong.

 

[ACC1224]

Kind of like the old addage......statistics (the discipline) can prove that a golf ball is flat if you crunch the numbers right.

If you can't tell Marner was one of, if not the best player on the ice last night by watching, hockey may not be for you.

 

[AvroArrow]

1st goal was all Matthews.. So what did we learn from that play? Marner can make a play as long as the passing lane is wide open and hes under 0 pressure? He lost the puck twice on that shift, luckily Matthews recovered it and created the play:

Marner has the puck in the corner. Attempts a pass, Preds block it.
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The puck bounces back to Marner, he tries a deke and the preds poke it away:
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... Matthews chases the puck down and forces the preds to make a bad clear that goes directly to Reilly. Reilly sends it back to Marner whose now alone.
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Matthews smartly goes to the front of the net, where the Preds have completely left open and Marner makes a wide open pass to Matthews:

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Is this real ?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

More accurate to say we have no choice but to have hope. Marner's great for 86 games a year, then he becomes a non-factor. This is a well established pattern and I assume we all hope it changes. As far as having faith that it will change, that's just not possible, not for me anyway.

You can believe whatever. All I know is that losing culture is blame culture. It's so fun for Habs fans to troll Leafs Nation by highlighting piss ant Tomas Plekanec's point totals vs Austin Matthews. Like they were actually implying that Plekanec was a better hockey player than Matthews.

You're just rehashing scapegoats, and not looking at the team that played with them. How the f*** are you going to win a playoff series with Campbell in net?

Keefe even did this donkey thing where he had a regular season system (cookies, possession, free flowing), then asked his team to switch to a hardened defensive system in the playoffs.

Yeah Marner didn't do well last playoffs. Perhaps he was burnt out from playing "get Nylander and Matthews their milestone statics hockey". Maybe he was injured.

You want to blame him, but the team was not good enough. Treliving knew this, and didn't invest at the trade.deadline.

 

[Smif]

Love this team right now.

 

[Cams]

If you can't tell Marner was one of, if not the best player on the ice last night by watching, hockey may not be for you.

He definitely was...... I was commenting on the interpretation of data sets. Too often now, people nit pick based on fancy stats.

 

[Antropovsky]

Is this real ?

Do you disagree with any of it?

Im open to your interpretation of the play.

I get alot of sarcastic responses but nobody gives their takes.

i can make it easy:

1) Did Marner not attempt a pass that was easily blocked?
y/n

2) Did he not follow that up with an attempted deke that was poked away?
y/n

3)Did Matthews not chase down the loose puck and force a bad clearing attempt that went directly to Reilly?
Y/n

4) did the predators defense leave the front of the net open and leave Marner open in the corner behind the net.
Y/n

5) was the pass lane to Matthews open?
Y/n

Just curious why more posters are praising Marner and not Matthews. Marner lost the puck twice (preds took it like stealing candy), he didnt move from the spot he was in, waited for his teammates to retrieve the puck in the very spot he didnt move from...waited for them to pass it to him and that same spot, and made a pass in a wide open pass lane.

Am i seeing it wrong?

 

[ACC1224]

He definitely was...... I was commenting on the interpretation of data sets. Too often now, people nit pick based on fancy stats.

People nit pick whatever they think supports their warped view. It's comical the ignorance that gets spewed. I guess for those that have been wrong for so long there really is no turning back. Be nice if they just got off the ship instead of going down with it.

The guy pretty much single handily won the game last night, 3 points and draws 2 penalties in the first 5 minutes of the 3rd.
Low calorie night

 

[Gary Nylund]

You can believe whatever. All I know is that losing culture is blame culture. It's so fun for Habs fans to troll Leafs Nation by highlighting piss ant Tomas Plekanec's point totals vs Austin Matthews. Like they were actually implying that Plekanec was a better hockey player than Matthews.

You're just rehashing scapegoats, and not looking at the team that played with them. How the f*** are you going to win a playoff series with Campbell in net?

So don't rehash scapegoats, blame Campbell. Sure, that makes sense.

A better question IMO is how the f*** are you going to win a playoff series when you spend half the cap on 4 forwards who can't score in the playoffs?

Keefe even did this donkey thing where he had a regular season system (cookies, possession, free flowing), then asked his team to switch to a hardened defensive system in the playoffs.

Lost of blame to go around, some of it is on Keefe for sure.

Yeah Marner didn't do well last playoffs. Perhaps he was burnt out from playing "get Nylander and Matthews their milestone statics hockey". Maybe he was injured.

LOLOLOL. Taking excuse making to a whole new level. It's not just the last playoffs either, how did Marner play against Florida? Look at his career playoff stats compared to regular season and get back to me, sheesh.

You want to blame him, but the team was not good enough. Treliving knew this, and didn't invest at the trade.deadline.

Like I said, plenty of blame to go around. It's never on just person so quit crying already. It's not all on Marner, it's also on Matthews, JT, Keefe and a bunch of others but Marner gets his fair share of blame and considering his cap hit, it's a pretty big share.

 

[GoonieFace]

People nit pick whatever they think supports their warped view. It's comical the ignorance that gets spewed. I guess for those that have been wrong for so long there really is no turning back. Be nice if they just got off the ship instead of going down with it.

The guy pretty much single handily won the game last night, 3 points and draws 2 penalties in the first 5 minutes of the 3rd.
Low calorie night

It’s dumb comments like this..single handily won the game. Sure thing

 

[Ianturnedbull]

So don't rehash scapegoats, blame Campbell. Sure, that makes sense.

A better question IMO is how the f*** are you going to win a playoff series when you spend half the cap on 4 forwards who can't score in the playoffs?

Lost of blame to go around, some of it is on Keefe for sure.

LOLOLOL. Taking excuse making to a whole new level. It's not just the last playoffs either, how did Marner play against Florida? Look at his career playoff stats compared to regular season and get back to me, sheesh.

Like I said, plenty of blame to go around. It's never on just person so quit crying already. It's not all on Marner, it's also on Matthews, JT, Keefe and a bunch of others but Marner gets his fair share of blame and considering his cap hit, it's a pretty big share.

I don't know man. It gets tiresome giving therapy to self-loathing leaf fans. I suggest you quit this team.

 

[Smif]

Do you disagree with any of it?

Im open to your interpretation of the play.

I get alot of sarcastic responses but nobody gives their takes.

i can make it easy:

1) Did Marner not attempt a pass that was easily blocked?
y/n

2) Did he not follow that up with an attempted deke that was poked away?
y/n

3)Did Matthews not chase down the loose puck and force a bad clearing attempt that went directly to Reilly?
Y/n

4) did the predators defense leave the front of the net open and leave Marner open in the corner behind the net.
Y/n

5) was the pass lane to Matthews open?
Y/n

Just curious why more posters are praising Marner and not Matthews. Marner lost the puck twice (preds took it like stealing candy), he didnt move from the spot he was in, waited for his teammates to retrieve the puck in the very spot he didnt move from...waited for them to pass it to him and that same spot, and made a pass in a wide open pass lane.

Am i seeing it wrong?

Marner has 36 points in 23 games and has been our best player this season and you've only ever criticized his play and you never criticize or break down the play like you did here.for anyone else.

So, yes. You are absolutely seeing it wrong. You are seeing it more wrong than anyone else on the planet.

 

[All Mod Cons]

If you can't tell Marner was one of, if not the best player on the ice last night by watching, hockey may not be for you.

I think people absolutely can. But I think the posting of those charts is absolutely useless. It doesn't make any kind of point. Like you asked the other day (and didn't get a reply to), what can we take away from those charts?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

If you can't tell Marner was one of, if not the best player on the ice last night by watching, hockey may not be for you.

While I was at game and Mitch was 1st star 2nd star and 3rd star and no one else on either team was even remotely close to him .. this is why all these NEWBIE stats are in their infancy and it will be 20 years before these analytics types get their formulas right .. in slower games like last night that lack foot speed Mitch's game is deadly

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don't know man. It gets tiresome giving therapy to self-loathing leaf fans. I suggest you quit this team.

If you can't explain yourself, I suggest you stop posting.