So your response to me asking if I saw the play wrong is:
Marner has 36 points in 23 games, so yes your wrong?
Tell me you agree with me, without telling me you agree.
Post-Game Talk: Leafs win 3-2 against the Preds
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Marner has 36 points in 23 games, so yes your wrong?
Tell me you agree with me, without telling me you agree.
Ianturnedbull
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No. My points have proven to be technological. I don't care to argue with systemic gloom-ridden fans.
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Whining about scapegoating which I wasn't doing, and then blaming Campbell is a "technological point". Good to know.
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Ianturnedbull
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Gary Nylund: "If Marner wasn't so bad in the playoffs, if 4 players weren't so overpaid, then fans from other teams/the guys at work would finally stop making fun of me."Whining about scapegoating which I wasn't doing, and then blaming Campbell is a "technological point". Good to know.
Ianturnedbull: "I can't help you."
Lol Marner contribution to goal #1 was to lose the puck twice and stand in one spot against the end boards while Matthews a) retrieves the puck, b) loses his coverages and gets to the front of the net wide open.
Matthews pulls a bonkers deke on goal 2.
And the same posters say Marner single handidely won the game.
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They're not two points out and unless you're brand new to the sport you'd know that means little and it's not much different from other years?
And yes.. I am. They were lucky the Preds didn't get a third there and send it to OT. Although less frequent under Berube so far this season, this team has been brutal for those passive lapses.. still happening though.
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You have nothing better to do than to make up stuff and put quotation marks around it? That's pretty sad, hope your life takes a turn for the better soon.
This is correct. I would add that the only sensible way to look at the standings it PTS% and the Leafs are 5th overall.
Can we just stick with what happened in the game in post game thread.
Remember the goal where Matthews called the play on the face-off and passed to Knies who then passed to Marner for an easy tap in, did Marner also lose his coverage? Because you denounced that Marner had any skill whatsoever on that goal and this is the exact same situation where you're praising Matthews for losing his coverages.
... Yep, I remember this vividly. How do you not see the difference?
The Matthews play off the faceoff:
Matthews, Knies, Berube, and Marner all confirmed that Matthews called the play before the faceoff: "Hey guys, I'm gonna win this faceoff forward, you two go to the net, and I'll pass it to you." Marner and Knies simply followed his instructions.
Yesterday’s case: Matthews lost his coverage entirely on his own and went to the front of the net—nobody told him to.
You're seeing part of the play and largely what you want.
There's misses in the plays and strengths. Misses are covered, but he anticipates the rim well and doesn't attack the puck (like most would). This keeps his passing lane for a quick net play rather than taking the back of the net for more time, space and control. He risks that for the one touch, strong side pass off a rim. Tough play, but he pulls it off. Even after the turnovers.
It's funny you mention all this when Matthews is getting heaps of praise for the second goal, which goes in because he mishandled the puck. Still a beautiful goal, but it's interesting.
Stats don't actually. They actually indicated Marners lines were generally outplayed but scores 1 goal more.
Play 1 -
Batman - Matthews
Robin - Reilly, Marner
Play 2 -
Batman - Matthews
Robin - Marner
- Matthews admitted he got lucky on the deke post game.
Play 3 -
Batman - Knies
Robin - Nylander, Marner
Goal against #1 - freak bounce, noones fault.
Goal against #2 - Matthews/Marner line got caught chasing the puck. Not sure how both Knies and Marner were both trying to block the point shot on a 5v5. But everybody looked lost
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No worries. You are going to be wrong, but you are going to enjoy being wrong.
Appreciate you giving your take on the play.
I think Marner has go-to set plays, but my belief is that hes not good at spontaneous offense. I have other thoughts on his style but I wont go into details and make this post long.
I think that puck going to Reilly initiated a set play for that line. Doesnt mean that Matthews didn't do most of the heavy lifting by his determined effort and shaking loose the defenders (while Marners two attempts were both stopped by Preds).
I agree that Matthews goal was a fluke... I've said as much in earlier posts. Luck or not, I still think Matthews deserves more recognition than Marner for the 2 goals.
The play is clearly broken, so making the assumption that broken play is leading to something set off multiple factors seems like a forced narrative
You think set plays aren't initiated in game action? Many set plays are initiated in game... such as the Pastrnak game winning final goal.
This is a common set play for the leafs, here it is vs Boston series. Marner in the very same spot, wants pass from boards, and Matthews charges net.
You're comparing a possession based pass from the still to a turnover rim play on the opposite side of the ice?
Pastas play is set, not a broken play. It's not off a turnover
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It was 19:36 of the 3rd period. It was the first shift of the 3rd period. The line probably discussed the play before going out and they executed it. Just because it didn't happen immediately doesn't mean the set play is dead.
Your thought is they discussed Marner with back to back turnovers, Matthews forcing a turnover, Rielly pinching to save it, so they could execute a 1-touch centering pass? Because that's the play. The one you said was set.
Gotcha, but not the first few times of possession in the period? Because as you highlighted, he misses the Knies pass at the circles and the deke following, before hitting the slot pass.
Doesn't feel set, but I am sure he's expecting Matthews to drive the net. He has options there as a result, which I highlighted in my initial post, but makes the right read and executes well.
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In fact it's even more plausible, because they actually did the play twice that shift. Consecutively one after the other (within 4 seconds of eachother). It's the very same play that I posted from the Boston series.
Play 1) Play 1, Marner gets to spot, pucks pushed to him from Matthews along the boards, he tries the quick feed to Knies in slot. Pass is blocked.
See similarities to Boston set play in last year's playoffs:
Boston set play: this happens to be the quit crying bro shift where posters say Marner/Matthews were mad about a set play not happening (maybe there is truth to it). Nylander doesn't make this pass to Marner, instead he carries it all the way to Marner.
What you don't see is that the leaf from the opposite side also attacks the net, so Marner has two pass options. The player in the slot and the leafs coming down the opposite wing. Which is the same place Matthews come from on the goal yesterday.
Play 2, Marner stays in very same spot, Reilly picks up the puck on the boards and pushes it to Marner, whose in the same spot and squared up for slot pass. Matthews attacks slot.
It's clearly a set play. It's very similar to basketball set plays.
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