They always said they would ease him in. Not sure I agree with that plan as I much rather him get a full game here and there and be a healthy scratch on some days.
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They always said they would ease him in. Not sure I agree with that plan as I much rather him get a full game here and there and be a healthy scratch on some days.
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Yes. They went with 11 forwards and 7 D, and gave him a few minutes to gradually get him used to the North American game and the smaller ice surface.
Smart management.
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so the key there would be not to make your team use a horrible system that makes it harder for your players to be successful.
zeke
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shanny gets blame in the babcock departmentt for sure, especially letting him start last year when he was clearly toast here.
that being said, babcock was a pedigreed coach from a team that played the right way. Why he went so far away from that style of play here is hard to know, but i have a feeling a lot of it is was animosity towards Boy Genius and his Rich Kid Squad.
Ah. Ok. That sounds smart.
Thank you and other answerer.
Ps. Finns were not to happy about hus effort. But we will see can he play his game in NHL.
again, subjective. But I suppose Babcock thought based on the personnel he had, this would be the best thing for the team. He was wrong. But I don't think he was using that system to sabotage the team. I get the stretch pass thing in theory but it was dumb. I'm not sure I would have trusted our d to skate the puck in at that time cause our forwards just sucked at getting back. So i'm guessing the thought is, with a stretch pass, it would limit odd man rushes in theory. But clearly that was not the case.
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They are also jugging their accruable upper cap space limit with these moves too - in anticipation for Robertson retroactively being put on LTIR in a few weeks.
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Well said.
The idea that a coach would sabotage a team is silly. Babcock had his reasons for the stretch pass, probably related to the fact that he knew his team couldn't play in it's own end and tried to implement a system where the puck was moved north as quickly as possible.
In hindsight it's easy to pick holes. At the time, it was frustrating to watch, but you can at least understand the logic behind it - and the logic wasn't exactly flawed.
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this team was built to keep the puck. skate with the puck. pass the puck. controlled zone exits, controlled zone entries. that was the entire purpose.
and he made them play stretch pass breakouts, and dump in offense.
it was insane.
so insane, that I can't actually think Babcock was that stupid, so I can only surmise that he was trying to prove some kind of point.
besides Rielly and Gardiner our defense was atrocious and even those two make questionable plays. I think the plan was to limit the amount of time the defense has the puck, get into the offensive zone as quick as possible
appreciate that! I agree 100% it was very frustrating to watch but we all knew the d isn't strong in the d zone. and they can still be shaky to this day
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i agree this team will be judged by what happens in the postseason. But like, if you can't get excited by a good performance, no matter what part of the season it happens in, maybe take a nap til the playoffs?
Cause the "not til the playoffs" after a win but "this team is awful, dismantle this core and fire this regime" after a loss is kind of hypocritical.
Cause the "not til the playoffs" after a win but "this team is awful, dismantle this core and fire this regime" after a loss is kind of hypocritical.
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I'll tell you everything wrong with the NHL based on last nights game.
You won't find too many more dominating performances than the Leafs had last night over the Jets, yet the PP's were 4-1 in the Jets favour.
How is that even possible?
You don't get caved in that much and not take any infractions.
This league is pathetic because it's all about game-management, they won't give a team that's winning or dominating calls consistently...
You won't find too many more dominating performances than the Leafs had last night over the Jets, yet the PP's were 4-1 in the Jets favour.
How is that even possible?
You don't get caved in that much and not take any infractions.
This league is pathetic because it's all about game-management, they won't give a team that's winning or dominating calls consistently...
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Rielly, Gardiner, Dermott, Barrie and even Zaitsev were clearly better skaters than passers. Forcing them to make low percentage easily defendable passes that require forwards to blow the zone early and often result in icings is an easy way to make them play in the D-zone more than they need to. There's no argument that short passes are somehow more dangerous than 50 foot lobs through 3 opponents in the neutral zone.
this is my last post on this because we could go on and on & we are gonna go in circles. Babcock decided to do the stretch pass because as a team we sucked ass in our defensive zone. His thinking was if you carry the puck through the neutral zone with a defenseman and we turn it over we are getting hemmed in our zone, give up a shit ton of odd man rushes or we will actually spend more time in our zone than we need to. (Whether that is right or wrong, he believed that and I can see the logic behind that) So he wanted to play a more north/south type of game which in theory was supposed to limit the amount of time in our D zone. Get the puck out quickly and move us to the offensive zone quickly. Did it work? No, but I can respect the thought process behind it. The forwards would go to the offensive blue line instead of creeping up more into the neutral zone. So it's a bit of both. Forwards should have eventually made that adjustment using their instinct.
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hey he could have played Holl and Dermott more.
and he didn't have to tell Tyson Barrie that he wanted him to turn into a defensive dump-the-puck out defenseman, either.
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[QUOTE
The Leafs finished off the Jets with a Corsi of 62% and Expected Goals of 71%. Meanwhile the Kerfoot line had 39% Corsi and 60% Expected Goals (the worst of any line).
No one should be too concerned about the Kerfoot line in that Jets game, they were more than good enough, but there’s not much about their matchup results that recommends them for the role against better teams. They dummied Ottawa okay. They folded like wet tissue against the Canadiens, and using Kerfoot’s stats as a proxy for the line since he only played two minutes away from Hyman and Ilya Mikheyev, you get this:
There’s a lot of time to get to a place where that can be a priority to fix, and I don’t think it is now, but no one actually needs a shutdown line that only works against Ottawa.
What we learned from the Leafs pummeling the Jets
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Mikheyev is atrocious, Kerfoot I don't get but that line needs to be fixed in the worst way.
I'd try Vesey/Hyman/Engvall or even try Barbanov who I thought looked OK in his 4 to six minutes of icetime. put Kerfoot with JT and Nyland, Vesey offers little to that line.
The Leafs finished off the Jets with a Corsi of 62% and Expected Goals of 71%. Meanwhile the Kerfoot line had 39% Corsi and 60% Expected Goals (the worst of any line).
No one should be too concerned about the Kerfoot line in that Jets game, they were more than good enough, but there’s not much about their matchup results that recommends them for the role against better teams. They dummied Ottawa okay. They folded like wet tissue against the Canadiens, and using Kerfoot’s stats as a proxy for the line since he only played two minutes away from Hyman and Ilya Mikheyev, you get this:
- 31% Corsi against Nate Beaulieu and rookie Logan Stanley
- 31% Corsi against Mark Scheifele
- 34% Corsi against Paul Stastny
There’s a lot of time to get to a place where that can be a priority to fix, and I don’t think it is now, but no one actually needs a shutdown line that only works against Ottawa.
What we learned from the Leafs pummeling the Jets
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Mikheyev is atrocious, Kerfoot I don't get but that line needs to be fixed in the worst way.
I'd try Vesey/Hyman/Engvall or even try Barbanov who I thought looked OK in his 4 to six minutes of icetime. put Kerfoot with JT and Nyland, Vesey offers little to that line.
Dermott was injured in babcocks third year to start the year and in his 2nd season wasn't completely ready for full time minutes, Holl wasn't as good as he is now.
I'm just imagining Babcock, we say we need to get better and dubas acquires a weak offensive defenseman the complete opposite of what we need. Yes I think he took it too far, but dubas gave him square pieces and asked him to fit it into a circular hole.
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Our special teams were fantastic yesterday even ignoring the results.
Leafs 1 PP
Corsi: 12-0
SCF: 10-0
HDCF: 4-0
Jets 4 PP
Corsi: 12-2
SCF: 6-2
HDCF: 0-1
We had the same amount of shots on our 1 PP then they had in 3. We had 4 more scoring chances, and 4 more HD. On the PK, we didn't give up a single HDC and had 1 ourselves.
Leafs 1 PP
Corsi: 12-0
SCF: 10-0
HDCF: 4-0
Jets 4 PP
Corsi: 12-2
SCF: 6-2
HDCF: 0-1
We had the same amount of shots on our 1 PP then they had in 3. We had 4 more scoring chances, and 4 more HD. On the PK, we didn't give up a single HDC and had 1 ourselves.
zeke
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except Babcock also bitched and moaned when Dubas landed him a big physical defensive stalwart like Muzzin, too.
lool, was it a lie though? we needed a RHD, again Muzzin was a nice piece but didn't exactly help us out. I think there were a lot of problems all together, babcock didn't understand the needs of the players, dubas didn't understand the needs of babcock. So there was no way it was going to work out.
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not only did he get injured, but we still didn't win a round and we didn't even use him on our top pairing.
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the excuses you're making for Babcock are going from bad to worse. now Muzzin wasn't even a helpful piece because of the way he holds his stick? Just asinine
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