Post-Game Talk: Leafs win 3-0 with a huge effort

[hockeyes]

This video is a pretty good summary regarding the hit,

tl;dr Whitecloud causes the head to be targetted through his actions

 

[Confucius]

He kept his arms down. How could he hit the player in that instance and not have it hit him in the chin?

He would have had to come in lower, shoulder to the ribs, fine. But sometimes that is even called as a predatory hit.

 

[Leafs98]

This video is a pretty good summary regarding the hit,

tl;dr Whitecloud causes the head to be targetted through his actions

Lol they describe whiteclouds body position as standing upright. He was in the process of leaving his feet to make his weight immoveable. Just so happened he got him before he got airborne. Should be suspended.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Delete

 

[Kurtz]

Same situation with Reaves, there’s no intent to hit the head and both injured players had their heads down.

And yet our guy gets 5+game plus a 5 game suspension and the other guy gets a powerplay, and you feel that's fine?

 

[Tedd]

I agree, he clearly squatted down and then jumped up a split second before contact. There was a good foot of body elevation from a squat position to finish. His shoulder targeted Knies' head. That video is the perfect explanation.

 

[Racer88]

yeah I would agree with the last statement.
do you still agree with this statement? "We have more then enough evidence this mix is not a serious winning group"

Partially because we haven’t won squat yet. I like the make up if this team so far but the crazy part is they have played some of their best hockey since Matthews has been out. So ya that kinda shows that the mix is wrong because with Matthews out of the mix the rest rise to the occasion. Just think what they could do with that 13.4 million of Matthews that is not being utilized right now. Properly spent it could really make a difference.

 

[All Mod Cons]

This video is a pretty good summary regarding the hit,

tl;dr Whitecloud causes the head to be targetted through his actions

Can't believe his hit happened the second Reavo isn't playing.

 

[Pinkcat]

And yet our guy gets 5+game plus a 5 game suspension and the other guy gets a powerplay, and you feel that's fine?

It was predatory probably retribution for Grebenkin's hit in the first period. You could see by Whitecloud's expression and body language he expected to be out of the game. The ref's lost control of the game for a brief time after the non-call. Generally really poor performance and consistency from the regulators.

 

[daveleaf]

The way Knies was skating it was impossible not to hit his head, IMO. I don't think you could hit someone at that speed and not have it take you off balance(leave your feet).

** I fully accept I may be seeing this wrong. Just watched again, he was skating more upright than I recalled.


He kept his arms down. How could he hit the player in that instance and not have it hit him in the chin?

I don’t disagree. Rule states to the head and avoidable. Reeves was avoidable and so was that one. I loved the response from them after. Where has that been for the last eight years?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Last ten min of the third were a work of art in protecting and defending the lead. Nothing even remotely dangerous came Woll’s way.

I know there was a bit of anxiety with fans because our forwards were injured. Yes we will need everyone come playoff time.

I just knew we had a shot to win this game due to our defense being healthy. Goaltending was healthy too.

 

[daveleaf]

Can't believe his hit happened the second Reavo isn't playing.

And this is why you need him in the lineup.

 

[Da Mash]

Go back to the day when players wore cloth shoulder and elbow pads.

Right now everyone is dressed up in hard plastic armour. Having a "policeman" on your roster is useless. Most of the time when players fight they dont even take their visors off.

Put cloth on them and you will see a big decrease in players charging for a big hit. They will feel the boards and in most cases hurt themselves instead of the opposing players.

Been around a long time and it makes no sense seeing players get bigger and stronger, faster and all around in better shape. Then you dress them up in plastic armour and ask them to play on a ice surface that hasnt changed in size in forever.

Its not a good recipe IMHO

But thats just me.....and why I laugh all the time when fans say certain players are tough when they all hide behind plastic armour and a shield.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

And this is why you need him in the lineup.

Reaves has no place on this roster if we have serious intentions of going beyond one round. He's too slow, contributes nothing offensively, has too many nights where he doesn't hit or fight, and is NOT a deterrent in any way. Look at the liberties teams have taken when he's in the lineup (eg. Marchand has his way regardless of Reaves). I'd much rather have a player like Steeves, Dewar, or even Grebenkin than Reaves.

 

[Da Mash]

And this is why you need him in the lineup.

So he can yap from the bench?

What has Reaves done since coming here ? Warn a player before the game? No one is scared of Reaves. Especially playing 5-7 mins a game.
We had players get hurt and Reaves did nothing because he cant. Is he going to chase Marchand around the ice? hahaha

 

[therealkoho]

Lol they describe whiteclouds body position as standing upright. He was in the process of leaving his feet to make his weight immoveable. Just so happened he got him before he got airborne. Should be suspended.

Yes, but won't be because nhl is gonna nhl

 

[Kurtz]

Reaves has no place on this roster if we have serious intentions of going beyond one round. He's too slow, contributes nothing offensively, has too many nights where he doesn't hit or fight, and is NOT a deterrent in any way. Look at the liberties teams have taken when he's in the lineup (eg. Marchand has his way regardless of Reaves). I'd much rather have a player like Steeves, Dewar, or even Grebenkin than Reaves.

Nobody says Reaves needs to be in the playoff lineup. During the regular season however it might be helpful to have an enforcer in the lineup if he deters (not eliminates, as that's impossible, but deters) these kind of cheapshots to our stars.

 

[therealkoho]

It was predatory probably retribution for Grebenkin's hit in the first period. You could see by Whitecloud's expression and body language he expected to be out of the game. The ref's lost control of the game for a brief time after the non-call. Generally really poor performance and consistency from the regulators.

Yes agreed a very poor performance by the officials, and the league is never going to answer for it, they'll just keep trudging down this road compounding their mistakes, and I fear doing their best to tilt the ice.

 

[Stephen]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1859444190192587262

In the third his line was getting cycled hard, he eventually had maybe a 15 foot lane to exit the zone with a man on and still couldn’t do it. The kid is pulling off like all of his practice drills and going max capacity just to hang in on a normal shift doing normal things. It’s not working right now.

 

[ACC1224]

I don’t disagree. Rule states to the head and avoidable. Reeves was avoidable and so was that one. I loved the response from them after. Where has that been for the last eight years?

For me that's been the biggest criticism I've had. Hated watching the 'powerplay is our enforcer' version of the Leafs.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

So he can yap from the bench?

What has Reaves done since coming here ? Warn a player before the game? No one is scared of Reaves. Especially playing 5-7 mins a game.
We had players get hurt and Reaves did nothing because he cant. Is he going to chase Marchand around the ice? hahaha

LOL, this reminds me of the incident in the early 70s when the Plager brothers chased Eddie Shack all around the ice all the way to his bench.

 

[ACC1224]

Nobody says Reaves needs to be in the playoff lineup. During the regular season however it might be helpful to have an enforcer in the lineup if he deters (not eliminates, as that's impossible, but deters) these kind of cheapshots to our stars.

When Roy threw Tanev into the boards I was missing Reaves there. Doesn't happen often but he would have been of use last night, IMO.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Nobody says Reaves needs to be in the playoff lineup. During the regular season however it might be helpful to have an enforcer in the lineup if he deters (not eliminates, as that's impossible, but deters) these kind of cheapshots to our stars.

Yeah, Jesus Christ, don't play Reavo in the playoffs. I don't think I've ever seen anyone recommend that.

But over an 82 games season, does it matter if we're losing about 5 goals from our 4RW.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Reaves has no place on this roster if we have serious intentions of going beyond one round. He's too slow, contributes nothing offensively, has too many nights where he doesn't hit or fight, and is NOT a deterrent in any way. Look at the liberties teams have taken when he's in the lineup (eg. Marchand has his way regardless of Reaves). I'd much rather have a player like Steeves, Dewar, or even Grebenkin than Reaves.

Not while he suspended obviously. He is a good player though.

 

[therealkoho]

Now that's over with. Take out the dirty hits and this was a great hockey game. There was some drama, some great playmaking, some top shelf goaltending, in a grinding sweaty hockey game.

True or false can Marner play in this kind of game? Why yes I think he can, as he continues his strong play.

The kids are alright, yes they sure is! Grebs, Steeves and the baby face stood up to the physicality, matched their opponents stride for stride and didn't look overmatched on any of their shifts. Do this in 7 out of their next 10 games and I think as a third line, you cant ask for much more other than 8 out of the next 10 after that.

John, McRocketmann and Mitch drove the team forward, dominated territorialy, physically and mentally. Cassidy had to try line matching them, considering that Vegas was supposed to have the edge and frankly in a turnaround almost nobody expected got pushed around! Bully for our Bud's.

I didn't think we had a chance of matching that defence or their goaltending. The Leafs defence had a firm grip on both bluelines, and Joseph Woll handled the game like he's done it a million times before.

Berube is making a difference, and he's rubbing off on them for sure. I remember Chief when he played, he was a fearless competitor without a lot of elite tools and yet got into over 1000 NHL games which is no small feat. He accomplished it through physical and mental toughness, determination and intimidation. Those are all still valued tools in this league, now let's see how much staying power these guys have.

On to the next!

GLG