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Confirmed with Link: Leafs trade Beck, Finn, Gibson, Nilsson and Verhaeghe for Grabner

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Going on the record as being a fan of this trade.

Really liking the fast and grinding, character players on the team right now.

Clearly in the bigger picture am excited about the young prospects were developing long term and potential for success.

However in the short term, I am certainly looking forward to going into Boston, Montreal and Ottawa and for lack of better words "2014 sans Zetts and Dats, Detroit Red-Winging them into submission (or at least frustration)". Final points total aside, eager to see the fresh Babcock-inspired approach.
 
Stephen said:
The way I could see this trade paying off is like this:

We free up four roster spots, one or two of which may go towards a Brad Boyes, Devin Setoguchi or whomever surprises in camp on their PTO's. But there's also the chance that as the 4th worst team in the league and the 4th waiver claim, we could pounce on a Vladimir Namestnikov or whomever really deep teams like Tampa might be forced to let go of just like Richard Panik. Namestnikov would be a great waiver pick up.
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Your waiver wire claim is Ottawa's Shane Price (Age 22 LW/C) -- 2011 round 2 #61 overall by Ottawa Senators

2014-15
Binghamton Senators - AHL .. 72 games 28 goals 37 assists 65 points 31 pims.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=32724

That would be a potential waiver wire claim from one of the newly created contract spots via this trade.
 
ULF_55 said:
Well, they weren't exactly NHL players, and some hold less value than late rounds picks right now.
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Simply math for me .. Solve for X

Grabner makes $5 mil and Leafs free-up 5 contract spots.

$5 mil salary / 5 players = X, therefore X = $1 mil per new contract spot.

Leafs determined that its worth $1 million to them for every new contract spot they created by the exchange to now deploy.

Grabner counts as 1 spot and now 4 more contracts available. :)

Grabner for Finn, Verhaeghe, Gibson, Beck & Nilsson
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Finn, Verhaeghe, Gibson, Beck Nilsson for Grabner, Glencross, Boyes, Peresinni & Joly = 5 for 5 trade once contracts are filled.
 
Mess said:
Simply math for me .. Solve for X

Grabner makes $5 mil and Leafs free-up 5 contract spots.

$5 mil salary / 5 players = X, therefore X = $1 mil per new contract spot.

Leafs determined that its worth $1 million to them for every new contract spot they created by the exchange to now deploy.

Grabner counts as 1 spot and now 4 more contracts available. :)

Grabner for Finn, Verhaeghe, Gibson, Beck & Nilsson
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Finn, Verhaeghe, Gibson, Beck Nilsson for Grabner, Glencross, Boyes, Peresinni & Joly = 5 for 5 trade once contracts are filled.
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How much cap space do they have for signing Glencross and Boyes?
 
The only prospects to play significant amount of games at the NHL level from the Burke/Nonis era has been Kadri and Rielly - two top 10 picks.

I don't have a lot of confidence left for picks made from that wasted era, save for perhaps Brown, Percy and Johnson.

I expect we will see similar trades like this in future as a means of freeing up contract slots.
 
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ULF_55 said:
How much cap space do they have for signing Glencross and Boyes?
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There is always room for Jello !!

Roster size of 23 is >> free cap space in regards to PTO signings IMO

Arcobello @$1.1 mil waived and sent to the AHL = $925k recovered cap space. Would Glencross or Boyes play or $1 mil instead of being unemployed?

If you don't have cap space you can always generate ~$1 mil simply by roster cuts to the AHL.

No one is going to claim Arcobello on a 1way $1.1 mil contract so you have a $925K overlap in cap space with a PTO player using the same space as waived vet on a 1-way deal.

So if you waive Arcobello and sign Boyes for the same $1.1 mil deal then you only really need $175K free cap space. :)
 
Mess said:
There is always room for Jello !!

Roster size of 23 is >> free cap space in regards to PTO signings IMO

Arcobello @$1.1 mil waived and sent to the AHL = $925k recovered cap space. Would Glencross or Boyes play or $1 mil instead of being unemployed?

If you don't have cap space you can always generate ~$1 mil simply by roster cuts to the AHL.

No one is going to claim Arcobello on a 1way $1.1 mil contract so you have a $925K overlap in cap space with a PTO player using the same space as waived vet on a 1-way deal.

So if you waive Arcobello and sign Boyes for the same $1.1 mil deal then you only really need $175K free cap space. :)
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Arcobello is clearly an NHLer and they didnt sign him just to waive him for no reason. If they wanted someone like Boyes more then they would have signed Boyes and not Arcobello. People are blind to the fact that there isn't room for all these PTO guys on the roster. There may not even be room for 1 of them depending on how things go down in preseason. The team realistically has 13 forwards and 7 d-men already without the PTOs. There is no actual plan behind giving away these prospects other than freeing up a bunch of contract spots in the hopes that another Panik falls into their lap, and why they had to give away 4 prospects when they only need 1-2 roster spots at most I will never know.
 
Mess said:
Your waiver wire claim is Ottawa's Shane Price (Age 22 LW/C) -- 2011 round 2 #61 overall by Ottawa Senators

2014-15
Binghamton Senators - AHL .. 72 games 28 goals 37 assists 65 points 31 pims.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=32724

That would be a potential waiver wire claim from one of the newly created contract spots via this trade.
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Got my heart set on Vladimir Namestnikov:

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=39029

A very skilled offensive center. A reliable finisher with an impressive wrist shot. A good passer and playmaker. An excellent skater. Takes advantage of open space very well. Solid two-way. Needs to gain strength.
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83 points in 90 AHL games over the past two years.
 
Stephen said:
Got my heart set on Vladimir Namestnikov:

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=39029



83 points in 90 AHL games over the past two years.
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I was mentioning this yesterday,

I think Leafs really wanted to have spots opened for the waiver season that starts next week. Once teams start waiving players there will likely be a few gems available that teams really don't want to lose, but just can't keep on their roster. With their standings last year & now 5 open contracts, the Leafs are in a very good position to make a few free steals of other teams top non-exempt prospects.
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Some here have mentioned the PTO's & the 23 man roster. The point is Leafs will sign Waiver players if they feel they are better than players already on their 23 man roster. That means they are "free" NHL level prospects, if it means Leafs lose a weaker player to Waivers when they drop them of their roster, oh well they are weaker than the ones gained. PTO's will take a backseat unless they knock their socks off.

I guarantee the Leafs will be forming a list of all potential non-exempt waiver players that they think teams will not be able to protect.
 
Man Bear Pig said:
No way they'd waive him...would they? you'd have to think the teams ahead of us would pick a guy like him up before us too.
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How are waivers claims dealt with once the season starts? If we're in last place after 4 games played, do we have 1st pick?
 
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Ovate said:
How are waivers claims dealt with once the season starts? If we're in last place after 4 games played, do we have 1st pick?
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Waiver order goes by last year's standings until November 1st & then it goes by the present season.
 
Stephen23 said:
Wow. Not a fan of losing Finn. Frees up contracts to sign some of the PTOs.
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Meh Leafs have had years of failed higher pick dmen who languished in AHL till rendered fodder. Grabner can play and adds speed to our lineup and opens us up with the unloading of contracts to pick up better players during waiver wire which I think is managements plan.
 
Stephen said:
Got my heart set on Vladimir Namestnikov:

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=39029



83 points in 90 AHL games over the past two years.
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I'm sorry, but there is no chance that Namestnikov is waived. If he doesn't crack their lineup, they could easily trade him for picks. No way they give him away for free. I'd be open to trading for him as long as we don't give up a pick in the first 2 rounds.
 
Mats13 said:
I'm sorry, but there is no chance that Namestnikov is waived. If he doesn't crack their lineup, they could easily trade him for picks. No way they give him away for free. I'd be open to trading for him as long as we don't give up a pick in the first 2 rounds.
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Man Bear Pig said:
No way they'd waive him...would they? you'd have to think the teams ahead of us would pick a guy like him up before us too.
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I follow Tampa as my second team and one of the big worries on the Tampa board was losing Namestnikov on waivers this fall, so hopefully that's a worry that we turn into a reality.
 
VainGretzky said:
Meh Leafs have had years of failed higher pick dmen who languished in AHL till rendered fodder. Grabner can play and adds speed to our lineup and opens us up with the unloading of contracts to pick up better players during waiver wire which I think is managements plan.
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Absolutely.

And.."VainGretzky"...lol...easily the best moniker/avatar on HFBoards. Awesome.
 
I like this trade a lot. The only prospect I still had hopes for in the group was Finn and even then he was still a long shot. Grabner is a good add for the top six and was a good contributor to the Isles when he wasn't injured. Lots of speed, good shot, even if the points didnt show up he got pushed down the lineups after they acquired a ton of forwards.
 
Does Carrick have to clear waivers this year?
He was named Captain for a reason, and 29 other teams would be stupid to pass on him for his leadership qualities alone... i'd hate to lose him.
 
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