Confirmed with Link: Leafs trade Beck, Finn, Gibson, Nilsson and Verhaeghe for Grabner

[JEI]

I'm sorry, but there is no chance that Namestnikov is waived. If he doesn't crack their lineup, they could easily trade him for picks. No way they give him away for free. I'd be open to trading for him as long as we don't give up a pick in the first 2 rounds.

You may be right. But the big problem making trades at this point of the year is roster flexibility. Specifically when it comes to trading waiver eligible players for picks. Which is why I'm sure last year Tampa would have rather traded Panik than dumping him on the wire.

In the Leafs case, they still need to make a move or two to really take advantage of the waiver wire (or PTO's). I don't foresee them dumping guys they just signed in early July for waiver adds, but I may be wrong.

 

[Faltorvo]

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/toronto-maple-leafs

As of right now we are against the cap (With Horton room) so we got about 5.6mil(ish).

Of course that could change.

BTW this fanager site is the best since cap geek imo.

sorry man but their totals are way off base


add up the contract numbers yourself, the leafs are about 6.5m under the cap not including what will drop off after game 1 and Hortons LTIR kicks in.

ball park, after game 1 we could add about 12m in cap.

 

[deletethis]

Maybe the Leafs will be snagging a Detroit player on waivers. Babcock brings some knowledge of Detroit's seasoned AHLers and can compare those players in his mind to the NHL forwards he's watching at Leafs' training camp. There are Landon Ferraro and Mitch Callahan maybe someone like Joakim Andersson.

 

[Mess]

Maybe the Leafs will be snagging a Detroit player on waivers. Babcock brings some knowledge of Detroit's seasoned AHLers and can compare those players in his mind to the NHL forwards he's watching at Leafs' training camp. There are Landon Ferraro and Mitch Callahan maybe someone like Joakim Andersson.

How about Teemu Pulkkinen ?

He destroyed the AHL last year with 34 goals (61 points) in 43 regular season games and 14 goals in 16 playoff games.

He was the prospect the Leafs almost got in the Phaneuf trade at the TD last year. Babcock would know the Wings system prospects well.

These are the kinds of potential opportunities that are opened up by this type of trade and the potential to fill those 4 new contract spots with new players/prospects.

This trade really isn't a 5 for 1 as it appears on the surface as there are still names to be attached to those 4 extra contract spots by new signings.

 

[Nithoniniel]

If Pulky doesn't get a spot, Detroit will trade him. There will be buyers.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Your waiver wire claim is Ottawa's Shane Price (Age 22 LW/C) -- 2011 round 2 #61 overall by Ottawa Senators

2014-15
Binghamton Senators - AHL .. 72 games 28 goals 37 assists 65 points 31 pims.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=32724

That would be a potential waiver wire claim from one of the newly created contract spots via this trade.

Got my heart set on Vladimir Namestnikov:

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=39029

83 points in 90 AHL games over the past two years.

Either player would be a good addition in my books. Both have good potential to be more than just NHL grinders, and we shave a couple years of development time off in each case.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Good point brought up in another thread. We opened up contract spots, but not roster spots. A waiver claim will have to take the spot from someone. and we have an overfull roster as it is.

 

[deletethis]

How about Teemu Pulkkinen ?

He destroyed the AHL last year with 34 goals (61 points) in 43 regular season games and 14 goals in 16 playoff games.

He was the prospect the Leafs almost got in the Phaneuf trade at the TD last year. Babcock would know the Wings system prospects well.

These are the kinds of potential opportunities that are opened up by this type of trade and the potential to fill those 4 new contract spots with new players/prospects.

This trade really isn't a 5 for 1 as it appears on the surface as there are still names to be attached to those 4 extra contract spots by new signings.

I think we have to think smaller.

 

[burpsalot]

Good point brought up in another thread. We opened up contract spots, but not roster spots. A waiver claim will have to take the spot from someone. and we have an overfull roster as it is.

You add them if you think they will make your roster better & hope no-one claims your player that you have to waive, if they don't make your present roster better, you don't claim them.

There will be a few available that will improve our roster.

 

[Babcocks Marner]

sorry man but their totals are way off base


add up the contract numbers yourself, the leafs are about 6.5m under the cap not including what will drop off after game 1 and Hortons LTIR kicks in.

ball park, after game 1 we could add about 12m in cap.

Not true, I added up the numbers.... I get 69,989,666.... might have missed someone, any non roster players count? Fratten? I get a 1.025 million difference.... either way its close, and we are close to the cap We got Horton space + maybe 1.5mil... using my numbers over flanager. Somehow I trust them more than myself



EDIT** Ok, used a calculator, their numbers are bang on correct.

F - 41.0625m
D - 20.269166m
G - 6.45
Buyout/Retain - 3.23333

385k Cap is the correct number as of right now.... of course with that 5.3m Horton room. We have 5.685M in cap, as it stands.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

I follow Tampa as my second team and one of the big worries on the Tampa board was losing Namestnikov on waivers this fall, so hopefully that's a worry that we turn into a reality.

I'd love if they waived him, it's just hard to see Buffalo,Arizona and Edmonton all passing on him to keep some scrub on the roster.

 

[Pholus]

Does Carrick have to clear waivers this year?
He was named Captain for a reason, and 29 other teams would be stupid to pass on him for his leadership qualities alone... i'd hate to lose him.

He does. But I believe he would pass through unclaimed (especially if he is sent down before pre-season when every other team is trying to get all the waiver eligible players down to the AHL).

 

[VainGretzky]

Absolutely.

And.."VainGretzky"...lol...easily the best moniker/avatar on HFBoards. Awesome.

Ty I was going to use another name something great 99 and was looking for a photo to go with it when I saw that one and vainGretzky popped into my head

 

[Swayze*]

Not true, I added up the numbers.... I get 69,989,666.... might have missed someone, any non roster players count? Fratten? I get a 1.025 million difference.... either way its close, and we are close to the cap We got Horton space + maybe 1.5mil... using my numbers over flanager. Somehow I trust them more than myself



EDIT** Ok, used a calculator, their numbers are bang on correct.

F - 41.0625m
D - 20.269166m
G - 6.45
Buyout/Retain - 3.23333

385k Cap is the correct number as of right now.... of course with that 5.3m Horton room. We have 5.685M in cap, as it stands.

Its amazing how bad our cap management has been. Mind blowing.

 

[Zonk]

Not true, I added up the numbers.... I get 69,989,666.... might have missed someone, any non roster players count? Fratten? I get a 1.025 million difference.... either way its close, and we are close to the cap We got Horton space + maybe 1.5mil... using my numbers over flanager. Somehow I trust them more than myself



EDIT** Ok, used a calculator, their numbers are bang on correct.

F - 41.0625m
D - 20.269166m
G - 6.45
Buyout/Retain - 3.23333

385k Cap is the correct number as of right now.... of course with that 5.3m Horton room. We have 5.685M in cap, as it stands.

You should do the math again, but this time with a 23 player roster instead of 25.

 

[pheasant]

Not true, I added up the numbers.... I get 69,989,666.... might have missed someone, any non roster players count? Fratten? I get a 1.025 million difference.... either way its close, and we are close to the cap We got Horton space + maybe 1.5mil... using my numbers over flanager. Somehow I trust them more than myself



EDIT** Ok, used a calculator, their numbers are bang on correct.

F - 41.0625m
D - 20.269166m
G - 6.45
Buyout/Retain - 3.23333

385k Cap is the correct number as of right now.... of course with that 5.3m Horton room. We have 5.685M in cap, as it stands.

This is a pet peeve of mine, and maybe I'm too picky. But it's really not clear to just say "cap" like that, and I see it all the time. Here you say "cap" to mean "cap space" but then the next thread over someone is saying "we can't make a trade unless you take back some cap." And then it is meant to be "cap hit."

"Cap" is unclear, and is also not a thing. If I asked a car salesman about interior space, and he started talking about how many inches of "leg" and 'head" it had, I would think he is insane. The temrs are "leg room" and "head room". That qualifier makes a difference! Just saying "cap" sounds so wrong.

 

[showtime8]

If Pulky doesn't get a spot, Detroit will trade him. There will be buyers.

I'm not sure how easy it will be to trade him.

Every team has players coming into their own camps with the same situation. And then trying to fit another guy into the equation would be hard.

I'm sure the Lightning would have wanted to trade Panik if they had the chance.

 

[showtime8]

You should do the math again, but this time with a 23 player roster instead of 25.

General Fanager has done an amazing job. But you're right, there is only going to be 23 with the team. And I'm sure they will change it once all of the roster moves have been established.

I believe they still have Casey Bailey's cap on the book as well as TJ Brennan and Matt Frattin.

 

[Faltorvo]

Not true, I added up the numbers.... I get 69,989,666.... might have missed someone, any non roster players count? Fratten? I get a 1.025 million difference.... either way its close, and we are close to the cap We got Horton space + maybe 1.5mil... using my numbers over flanager. Somehow I trust them more than myself



EDIT** Ok, used a calculator, their numbers are bang on correct.

F - 41.0625m
D - 20.269166m
G - 6.45
Buyout/Retain - 3.23333

385k Cap is the correct number as of right now.... of course with that 5.3m Horton room. We have 5.685M in cap, as it stands.

yup my bad, I think your right

the cap site I use has already deducted Hortons LTIR

Which is wrong of them

IIRC, Hortons cap hit Does not Come off the books till after the team has to be league cap compliant

 

[Woll Smoth]

This is a pet peeve of mine, and maybe I'm too picky. But it's really not clear to just say "cap" like that, and I see it all the time. Here you say "cap" to mean "cap space" but then the next thread over someone is saying "we can't make a trade unless you take back some cap." And then it is meant to be "cap hit."

"Cap" is unclear, and is also not a thing. If I asked a car salesman about interior space, and he started talking about how many inches of "leg" and 'head" it had, I would think he is insane. The temrs are "leg room" and "head room". That qualifier makes a difference! Just saying "cap" sounds so wrong.

Seems alright to me.
Your analogy seems a bit off too
I feel like the words "hit" and "space" should be compared to "leg" and "head". "Cap" should be compared to "space" here.

 

[pheasant]

Seems alright to me.
Your analogy seems a bit off too
I feel like the words "hit" and "space" should be compared to "leg" and "head". "Cap" should be compared to "space" here.

Sure. Maybe that works better. If a salesman says a car has 2 more inches of "space" (or "room") than other models, how do you know if he means head room or leg room? Maybe it is a bad example. But I was trying to show how weird it sounds when someone just says half of a common term.

And I don't want to derail a thread. But the point is the word "cap" isn't specific. Does it refer to the salary cap hit that a contract carries, or the room remaining for a team under the salary limit? Cap hit, or cap space. "Cap" by itself refers only to the upper limit. eg: "under the cap"

 

[ktearle]

Leafs acquire Michael Grabner; Marlies lose the kitchen sink

A quick look at what the Maple Leafs acquired and what the Marlies gave up in the Grabner trade.

http://alongtheboards.com/2015/09/leafs-acquire-michael-grabner/

Check it out and add your thoughts!

 

[highslot]

Finn and Verhaeghe don't have enough speed to sniff the NHL.

Beck is a young 4th liner who won't be more than a 4th liner who can sometimes play on the 3rd line.

Really outside chance that Gibson is a backup goalie. Sparks deserves his minutes in my opinion.

It's only Nilsson that I saw turning into a 4-5 defender. He doesn't put up points but is smart, quick enough, and makes good decisions. Him being RH makes him more valuable too. I would've preferred giving up Granberg.

i agree. also losing verhaeghe isn't that bad, when toninato is the same type of player. it's like the mcgregg class of centre.

 

[Jarqui]

A quick look at what the Maple Leafs acquired and what the Marlies gave up in the Grabner trade.

http://alongtheboards.com/2015/09/leafs-acquire-michael-grabner/

Check it out and add your thoughts!

Beck got waived yesterday

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

With Sparks getting called up I suddenly wondered what happened to Gibson and revisited this trade.

Truly about clearing contracts that the new management doesn't see a future in. Pretty interesting trade. Looks like most of the players the Leafs sent the other way didn't even crack the Islanders AHL affiliate. Gibson and Beck have AHL jobs though. The other guys are in ECHL or overseas it seems.