It's hard to win when you give a headstart of 2 freebies. When chasing, you can't just defend which in turn leads more goals against.
Upwards and onwards.
Upwards and onwards.
Post-Game Talk: Leafs still suck Jets lose 6-3
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We only had 3 goals on 50 shots that seems like a really low percentage. Guys have to be better at finishing. And Helly sucked but 50 shots and only 3 goals, snipers not earning their big bucks tonight.
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I wish his numbers were NHL calibre last ten games. What a ridiculous attempt to gloss over how putrid he's been
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Buff was the last straw and it sealed our fait. This season we were always going to live and die by Hellebuyck and he will need to be really really good for our team to make the playoffs because we are going to get out chanced most nights.
Maurice even admitted this in a presser at one point during Helle’s magical run over our first 30 games. Paul said we are not going to win the Stats battle this season we are going to need to rely on our scoring talent and goaltending and magic beans (grit, togetherness). Paul said he was comfortable with it but what else is he going to say? I felt it was a forthright assessment of where we were and are at as a team this season as currently constructed.
It's not just this year. The Jets played very low event hockey last year with a very good defense on paper.
I wish personnel would influence our systems more but Maurice has a style he prefers and try a to mold the players into it. See the transformation in Laine's style for an example. Certainly our highly skilled players can adapt and play well enough but is it the optimum system for the group? I have my doubts.
Also Maurice has player preference types that he likes to use to fill out his teams. You don't think Chevy would have grabbed different style dmen off the waiver wire or do You not think a puck moving skilled dmen like Niku would have played more if Maurice wanted those style of dmen on the Team? A lot of the personnel decisions fall under Maurice.
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With the defense we have, it's unreal how competitive of a team we are with top end talent. The Jets can trade punches. Hellebuyck had an off night, and the ship has sailed? The 5-3 goal was the backbreaker. Up till then I thought there was a chance for some magic, even after getting scored on with the first 2 shots of the 2nd. But that's the momentum of hockey.
The Leafs contingent probably didn't help for the home ice advantage.
I hope Niku gets in against Minnesota. I'd just like to see this team push the pace from 3 pairings and 4 lines. I was impressed with Poolman again, in the role he is cast. Toronto didn't have a better defense than us tonight, other than Reilly's heroics. But I am still hoping Chevy makes a move before some tough road games. There's got to be some teams wanting to make moves. Maybe take Bogosian back? for next to nothing.
Harkins has impressed me so far. I hope he gets up on the 3rd line with Lowry. Perreault is playing rather weak since his return, and is probably best suited for a 4th line.
Saturday should be a tough game.
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We got to get back to tightening things up defensively. Even without spotting them the two goals you can only get away with giving up grade A chances so long.
I think we win that game more often than not. Second line and Helle sleepy (they usually aren't) and the D is what it is.
It was a straight-up shooting gallery at times for us but the Leafs have lethal finishing talent so it's not the best match-up for this team currently with our D. No wonder Andersen is so good with the amount of repetitions he gets to do
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Laine still needs to adjust the good ol' sniper rifle but that was a very nice peppering and getting juicy rebounds of the pads. First line was dynamite, even in the D-zone.
It was a straight-up shooting gallery at times for us but the Leafs have lethal finishing talent so it's not the best match-up for this team currently with our D. No wonder Andersen is so good with the amount of repetitions he gets to do
.Laine still needs to adjust the good ol' sniper rifle but that was a very nice peppering and getting juicy rebounds of the pads. First line was dynamite, even in the D-zone.
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We scored 3 with our top scorers scoring a goal a piece, so no, we weren’t goalied. Helleybyuck had a really bad game though, while Anderson was good enough for the Leafs to get the win.
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Our defensemen aren't the best that's for sure but we still only gave up 22 total shots and fired 50 at Anderson , if Anderson played like Helly last night we win 9-8 . I don't like blaming a game solely on goaltending but we lost because of Helly , no other reason . Helly needs to concentrate on stopping the puck not playing the puck because he's horrible at it . Sbisa coughed up the puck on the 2nd goal but did you see the shot that beat him ? Not hard , on the ice and between the legs , terrible goal . I sure hope Helly gets his mojo going again soon though because even if we had 6 Morrissey's on defense we aren't winning many games with goaltending like this .
I don't know how accurate this is? Last season Maurice was more than happy to play talented defenseman like Trouba and Buff. This season he is playing Morrissey and Pionk into the ground and they hardly fit the description of slow moving defenseman who can't move the puck. Your statement implies that Maurice wouldn't prefer to have more players like this, but rather is happier with what the crap he has instead. My take is Maurice knows Chevy has gave him a pile of s*** to work with this season and he is using them in the most conservative way possible in hopes of surviving the season. That is what a coach is suppose to do. Use what you have in a sysytem they can do best within. Imagine if he tried to pay high event hockey from the backend with Bitetto, Sbisa and Dalstrom? Helly would face 60-70 shots a night.
According to naturalstattrick.com the Jets are playing high event hockey in the D-zone (allowing second most High Danger Chances Against) and low event hockey in the O-zone (getting second lowest High Danger Chances For) for an overall balance of 40% HDCF% (clearly worst in the league)
This doesn't seem sustainable at all.
For comparison, Toronto is a more balanced high event team (6th in HDCF and 6th in HDCA) and Boston is a more balanced low event team (29th in HDCF and 25th in HDCA).
It doesn't seem like the systems are working, and we are probably surviving on elite talent at Forward and Goalie (not tonight!) positions.
This doesn't seem sustainable at all.
For comparison, Toronto is a more balanced high event team (6th in HDCF and 6th in HDCA) and Boston is a more balanced low event team (29th in HDCF and 25th in HDCA).
It doesn't seem like the systems are working, and we are probably surviving on elite talent at Forward and Goalie (not tonight!) positions.
Agreed. Chevy has given Maurice nothing but crap to use on the backend. I would also guess it was more of an organization decision to have Niku develop his defensive game with the Moose while they still can. Not sure many teams would want to throw a promising young prospect to the wolves with little in the way of sheltering him.
He has a history of playing gritty players with low talent on the backend Bogo. Chariot, Harrison, Stuart etc. He likes size and physicality for the PK, always has as he places a great importance on blocking shots and boxing out.
Sure if you can give him big players with talent he will take it or if you give him skilled players who are good in their end he'll play them. He however has shown limited time to play skilled players that have some risk in their own end like Niku on the backend.
I guarantee you if we go into Toronto next week and get out shot 50 to 22 but win on the back of Helly people will be pissed and say we are crap . I think if we out shoot a team by that margin we will win alot of games that's why i'm not totally pissed today , keep playing like that and we will win more than we lose .
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Curious...have you watched any Jet games this year? He has been our best D man and it hasn’t even really been that close...and I love 44
Why the fixation on Niku ? I have watched him play alot of games with the Moose , he's got talent but he's still prone to mistakes in his own end . I like Niku , he's shown some offensive talent but he's not Teppo Numminen in our end . Maurice also played the heck out of Endsrom , not a big guy at all ,but good defensively .
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I would like 6 awesome defensemen playing on the Jets but it's not going to happen with our cap situation plain and simple . Buff should be in the lineup and every defensemen would be able to play where they should pushing Sbisa , Bitetto , BooBoo , Poolman and Kulikov down . Losing Buff for all this time is gonna effect our play in more ways that one , it also wouldn't hurt having Little and Copp back either .
When we get out shot 50 to 22 but win i better hear how good we were defensively , but i highly doubt that will be the case .
You answered your own question. Toby was very good defensively so Maurice didn't care about size. You are right that Niku has deficiencies in his d game but so do all the fringe big gritty dmen that Maurice is dressing right now.
The point I am trying to make is that he seemingly is able to overlook the deficiencies in a certain type of dmen but has a harder time overlooking them in another. It a almost like he is ok with general incompetence but seems to have a harder time with skilled players playing a more risky game.
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