Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign F Auston Matthews to extension (4 years, $13.25M AAV)

[pcruz]

It's not enough to just read the thread title, don't be so lazy. If you're going to quote someone, you should also familiarize yourself with the content of their post before responding. I hope that helps.

Who did you think that person was referring to, when calling the player greedy?
I assumed Matthews, since this is a discussion of that player and his contract.

Who was it you thought the person was talking about then?

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don’t understand this either. Marner has been above PPG every year of his contract and 2x first team nhl all star. How has he not lived up to his contract? He as well has been top 3 or even the best at his position every year. As a group they have struggled in the playoffs but like other posters have said, Matthews, Nylander and Marner have all pretty much lived up to their expectations and contracts individually.

IMO Marner has lived up to his contract during the regular season but not in the playoffs.

Who did you think that person was referring to, when calling the player greedy?
I assumed Matthews, since this is a discussion of that player and his contract.

Who was it you thought the person was talking about then?

LMAO this just keeps getting better and better. He referred to him by name FFS, what more do you need?

It must be Friday.

 

[francis246]

IMO Marner has lived up to his contract during the regular season but not in the playoffs.


LMAO this just keeps getting better and better. He referred to him by name FFS, what more do you need?

It must be Friday.

100%, I think as a group the team has fallen below expectations in the playoffs and anyone who says they haven’t is lying. But these guys are worth every penny in the regular season; they continue to get better. I think all of us just want to see if translate, see one or all three be dominant come April.

 

[ACC1224]

I don’t understand this either. Marner has been above PPG every year of his contract and 2x first team nhl all star. How has he not lived up to his contract? He as well has been top 3 or even the best at his position every year. As a group they have struggled in the playoffs but like other posters have said, Matthews, Nylander and Marner have all pretty much lived up to their expectations and contracts individually.

He shot the puck over the glass 5 years ago.

 

[Notsince67]

He shot the puck over the glass 5 years ago.

And hit a poster on this forum on the head

 

[Gary Nylund]

100%, I think as a group the team has fallen below expectations in the playoffs and anyone who says they haven’t is lying. But these guys are worth every penny in the regular season; they continue to get better. I think all of us just want to see if translate, see one or all three be dominant come April.

I'm not sure they're continuing to get better, they've been at roughly the same level for a few years now and honestly, that level is more than good enough at least I don't care much if they're 6th overall or 1st.

It's like you say - we want to see them play at the same level in the playoffs and so the question is, is there a realistic chance that it will happen at some point? Or was the guy bang on who said after we shit the bed in JT's return to Long Island that this team is gutless, and will therefore never go deep (paraphrasing).

I have no idea. I fear that that guy was 100% correct, after all that was years ago and these haven't done a damn thing yet to contradict what he said but I can't see into their souls so I desperately cling to the faint hope that he's wrong, and sooner or later all the talent we have will translate to a long overdue deep playoff run. It needs to happen soon though, our cupboards are getting more bare each year with all these TDL binges, M&M are at their peak now but will start to decline eventually and our D isn't getting any younger either.

He shot the puck over the glass 5 years ago.

How many times are you going post this? He shot the puck over the glass a number of times, the most notable time was probably against MTL at a critical juncture in the playoffs when he had plenty of time to do something less dumb and no, it was not 5 years ago.

Try thinking before you post, especially when it's the same old meaningless drivel.

And hit a poster on this forum on the head

Sorry for your loss.

 

[pcruz]

IMO Marner has lived up to his contract during the regular season but not in the playoffs.


LMAO this just keeps getting better and better. He referred to him by name FFS, what more do you need?

It must be Friday.

Oh....my mistake, it was about Mitch Marner.
Of course.

Who wouldn't have thought that in a conversation about Auston Matthews' new contract that comes into effect next season, the relevancy of Mitch Marner's last couple of playoffs would be the topic at hand.

You and that poster have this raging hard-on for hating on the best players in Toronto that you can't focus on the discussion at hand:

The new contract extension of Auston Matthews that comes into effect in 10 months time.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Oh....my mistake, it was about Mitch Marner.
Of course.

Who wouldn't have thought that in a conversation about Auston Matthews' new contract that comes into effect next season, the relevancy of Mitch Marner's last couple of playoffs would be the topic at hand.

You and that poster have this raging hard-on for hating on the best players in Toronto that you can't focus on the discussion at hand:

The new contract extension of Auston Matthews that comes into effect in 10 months time.

Like I told you before, all you have to do is actually read the posts before you quote them and respond. Give it a shot, it should dramatically improve the quality of your posts.

 

[Stamkos4life]

He shot the puck over the glass 5 years ago.

5 years ago you say? Did you mean 5 times?

Mitch Marner has 12 career PIMS in the playoffs (six minor penalties). Here they are:
2018 Game 2: Puck over glass
2018 Game 6: Puck over glass
2019 Game 5: Puck over glass
2020 Game 4: Tripping
2021 Game 1: Puck over glass
2021 Game 6: Puck over glass

It's weird how people become so fanatical they can't even be a little impartial or honest.

 

[mjd1001]

Historically, playoff scoring is about 4-5% less than in the regular season. Some years there are more goals per game than in the playoffs, most years less, but if you measure it and average it out, overall scoring is about 4%-5% less in the playoffs over the long term.

How about the Leafs top players?

I rounded my numbers, but the big 4 over the last 5 years in the playoffs:

Matthews: 18% less points per game in the playoffs vs regular season

Marner: 24% less points per game in the playoffs

Nylander: 2% less points per game in the playoffs

Tavares: 27% less points per game in the playoffs.

Small sample size? Maybe. Level of competition better? Possibly.

 

[Gary Nylund]

5 years ago you say? Did you mean 5 times?

Mitch Marner has 12 career PIMS in the playoffs (six minor penalties). Here they are:
2018 Game 2: Puck over glass
2018 Game 6: Puck over glass
2019 Game 5: Puck over glass
2020 Game 4: Tripping
2021 Game 1: Puck over glass
2021 Game 6: Puck over glass

It's weird how people become so fanatical they can't even be a little impartial or honest.

This behavior is spreading unfortunately. Say something that's complete BS, and the fact that it's complete BS is beside the point.

And then you just keep repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it ...

 

[Lemontree]

This Trump like behavior is spreading unfortunately. Say something that's complete BS, and the fact that it's complete BS is beside the point.

And then you just keep repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it ...

I don't disagree with that you saying but I feel the need to point out that this is not ONLY a Trump thing when it comes to politics or a one side of the isle thing, over the last little while people seem to think they can say whatever nonsense they want and if someone calls them on it or asks for them to elaborate it becomes a "big" issue.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don't disagree with that you saying but I feel the need to point out that this is not ONLY a Trump thing when it comes to politics or a one side of the isle thing, over the last little while people seem to think they can say whatever nonsense they want and if someone calls them on it or asks for them to elaborate it becomes a "big" issue.

Completely true, and I did say that this kind of behavior is spreading.

 

[thewave]

Historically, playoff scoring is about 4-5% less than in the regular season. Some years there are more goals per game than in the playoffs, most years less, but if you measure it and average it out, overall scoring is about 4%-5% less in the playoffs over the long term.

How about the Leafs top players?

I rounded my numbers, but the big 4 over the last 5 years in the playoffs:

Matthews: 18% less points per game in the playoffs vs regular season

Marner: 24% less points per game in the playoffs

Nylander: 2% less points per game in the playoffs

Tavares: 27% less points per game in the playoffs.

Small sample size? Maybe. Level of competition better? Possibly.

This is what I bring into the negotiations on the management side.

 

[Gary Nylund]

This is what I bring into the negotiations on the management side.

Not when you're negotiating with Nylander yhou don't.

 

[mjd1001]

Historically, playoff scoring is about 4-5% less than in the regular season. Some years there are more goals per game than in the playoffs, most years less, but if you measure it and average it out, overall scoring is about 4%-5% less in the playoffs over the long term.

How about the Leafs top players?

I rounded my numbers, but the big 4 over the last 5 years in the playoffs:

Matthews: 18% less points per game in the playoffs vs regular season

Marner: 24% less points per game in the playoffs

Nylander: 2% less points per game in the playoffs

Tavares: 27% less points per game in the playoffs.

Small sample size? Maybe. Level of competition better? Possibly.

This is what I bring into the negotiations on the management side.

The problem is Matthews done so you can't use it against him.

Nylander is actually SLIGHTLY better than league average so it doesn't apply to him.

And Marner? If you do this and he and his agent basically say "we don't care" and stay by their number, then do you just let him walk after his deal is done?

 

[Racer88]

I don’t understand this either. Marner has been above PPG every year of his contract and 2x first team nhl all star. How has he not lived up to his contract? He as well has been top 3 or even the best at his position every year. As a group they have struggled in the playoffs but like other posters have said, Matthews, Nylander and Marner have all pretty much lived up to their expectations and contracts individually.

All he needs to do now I’d show up in the big games during the playoffs, then he might be close to worth his contract

 

[Rob Brown]

It's weird how people become so fanatical they can't even be a little impartial or honest.

Your pic tho...

 

[thewave]

Historically, playoff scoring is about 4-5% less than in the regular season. Some years there are more goals per game than in the playoffs, most years less, but if you measure it and average it out, overall scoring is about 4%-5% less in the playoffs over the long term.

How about the Leafs top players?

I rounded my numbers, but the big 4 over the last 5 years in the playoffs:

Matthews: 18% less points per game in the playoffs vs regular season

Marner: 24% less points per game in the playoffs

Nylander: 2% less points per game in the playoffs

Tavares: 27% less points per game in the playoffs.

Small sample size? Maybe. Level of competition better? Possibly.


The problem is Matthews done so you can't use it against him.

Nylander is actually SLIGHTLY better than league average so it doesn't apply to him.

And Marner? If you do this and he and his agent basically say "we don't care" and stay by their number, then do you just let him walk after his deal is done?

Yes I would sooner let him go if it gets that bad. He isn't a 13m player.

 

[notbias]

Historically, playoff scoring is about 4-5% less than in the regular season. Some years there are more goals per game than in the playoffs, most years less, but if you measure it and average it out, overall scoring is about 4%-5% less in the playoffs over the long term.

How about the Leafs top players?

I rounded my numbers, but the big 4 over the last 5 years in the playoffs:

Matthews: 18% less points per game in the playoffs vs regular season

Marner: 24% less points per game in the playoffs

Nylander: 2% less points per game in the playoffs

Tavares: 27% less points per game in the playoffs.

Small sample size? Maybe. Level of competition better? Possibly.


The problem is Matthews done so you can't use it against him.

Nylander is actually SLIGHTLY better than league average so it doesn't apply to him.

And Marner? If you do this and he and his agent basically say "we don't care" and stay by their number, then do you just let him walk after his deal is done?

Does anyone care about winning games or just points?

Marner/Matthews get scored on less.

Last 3 years:

Marner +10 GD at 5v5, Matthews +5 GD at 5v5, Nylander 0 GD at 5v5, Tavares -1 GD at 5v5.

Marner 26P in 25G, Matthews 25P in 25G, Nylander 25P in 25G, Tavares 14P in 19G.

The 5 year sample is basically the same, just Nylander and Tavares look worse.

The career sample seems like overkill, none of these players are the same as their rookie season.

 

[Hellcat]

I don’t understand this either. Marner has been above PPG every year of his contract and 2x first team nhl all star. How has he not lived up to his contract? He as well has been top 3 or even the best at his position every year. As a group they have struggled in the playoffs but like other posters have said, Matthews, Nylander and Marner have all pretty much lived up to their expectations and contracts individually.

At the end of the day you are just throwing ..... FACT'S SONNNNNNNNNNN... in todays day facts dont mean shit when you got feeling and an opinion... feelings/opinions > facts ... everyday all day.

 

[ToneDog]

Historically, playoff scoring is about 4-5% less than in the regular season. Some years there are more goals per game than in the playoffs, most years less, but if you measure it and average it out, overall scoring is about 4%-5% less in the playoffs over the long term.

How about the Leafs top players?

I rounded my numbers, but the big 4 over the last 5 years in the playoffs:

Matthews: 18% less points per game in the playoffs vs regular season

Marner: 24% less points per game in the playoffs

Nylander: 2% less points per game in the playoffs

Tavares: 27% less points per game in the playoffs.

Small sample size? Maybe. Level of competition better? Possibly.


The problem is Matthews done so you can't use it against him.

Nylander is actually SLIGHTLY better than league average so it doesn't apply to him.

And Marner? If you do this and he and his agent basically say "we don't care" and stay by their number, then do you just let him walk after his deal is done?

If he/team have playoff success in the next two seasons
then pay him
else GTFO

 

[Notsince67]

No, I was merely replying to a poster suggesting it's as simple as benching Marner.

Matthews lived up to his contract. Took every penny, but lived up to it, unlike Mitch

 

[mkatcherin00]

I already posted it. McDavid had 3 even strength goals & 8 even strength points this entire playoffs. So yes I’m blaming them for them not winning. If it wasn’t on the power play, they weren’t really doing much this year 5 on 5. And that was basically the difference. The oilers were getting dominated 5 on 5. They capitalize on the power play but even strength they weren’t as effective.

The Oilers were out chancing Vegas and getting "goalie'd" and getting some bad goaltending after having better goaltending in the reg season. Please don't make up things. Penalty brainfarts in game 5 screwed them. They were the better team overall. The Oilers can win a cup if their new D system improves from their man to man they were using and they can get better goaltending than one of the worst performances seen to date in the last 50 years in the playoffs.

You always say "Defense wins champions".

Then you compare our players to 2 people who don't know what their own end looks like.

There is a reason they can put up so many points and not do anything in the playoffs.

Why do those 2 players in Edmonton have a better +/- in their playoff career than AM. Am is at Zero. Am has been on better built teams as well in the playoffs.

 

[francis246]

The Oilers were out chancing Vegas and getting "goalie'd" and getting some bad goaltending after having better goaltending in the reg season. Please don't make up things. Penalty brainfarts in game 5 screwed them. They were the better team overall. The Oilers can win a cup if their new D system improves from their man to man they were using and they can get better goaltending than one of the worst performances seen to date in the last 50 years in the playoffs.


Why do those 2 players in Edmonton have a better +/- in their playoff career than AM. Am is at Zero. Am has been on better built teams as well in the playoffs.

I watched the series. Edmonton early in the series was decent again better on the PP vs 5 on 5. They were leaking goals 5 on 5. Towards the end of the series it wasn’t even close, Vegas was miles better. Edmonton lost 4-2. I watched every game that series and I was in Alberta for one of the games LOL. Edmonton was not the better team.

I love how getting goalied and outchancing the opposition is acceptable for the oilers but not for Matthews and the leafs. Man miss me with that bs, all I hear is excuses.