Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign F Auston Matthews to extension (4 years, $13.25M AAV)

[pcruz]

If Matthews ends the cup drought, he goes down as a legend.

You're obviously too young to know better.

This city will turn on anyone at some point, whether deserved or not.

Massai and Nurse just went through it, as has Siakam and OG.

I wish I could believe that they would hold reverence for the team should they win, but I know better than to allow myself to be so naive.

 

[saffronleaf]

You're obviously too young to know better.

This city will turn on anyone at some point, whether deserved or not.

Massai and Nurse just went through it, as has Siakam and OG.

I wish I could believe that they would hold reverence for the team should they win, but I know better than to allow myself to be so naive.

no need to imagine this scenario because leafs would have to win a cup first and that won't happen

 

[leafs in five]

remember when fans booed Marco Scutaro on his return to the dome? this was around the time they were losing their shit over Lyle Overbay starting over AAA superstar Randy Ruiz. ours is an absolutely psychotic sports town.

 

[Hellcat]

Firstly. McDavid’s offense doesn’t normally go dry in the playoffs. Secondly, unless he becomes a Leaf one day I couldn’t care less if he never won a cup. We really ought to refocus on Matthews and stop looking at McDavid.

Firstly McDavid usually has softer opponents inteh 1st round. Are we suggesting that Winterpeg has the same quality of players as TB? In most cases McDavid has played vs softer opponents or not made the playoffs. McDavid is clearly the better player but he has usually benefitted from softer playoff opponents. Hell I'll traded TB for Winterpeg as our first round opponent any day of the week.

 

[ACC1224]

You're obviously too young to know better.

This city will turn on anyone at some point, whether deserved or not.

Massai and Nurse just went through it, as has Siakam and OG.

I wish I could believe that they would hold reverence for the team should they win, but I know better than to allow myself to be so naive.

They aren’t Leafs, not even close to the same thing.
Vaive is still dining out on being an ex captain and they were terrible.

 

[81Leafs50]

Its amazing how people get so consumed on CH% and its the least accurate stat to rely on.

The CBA states that no one player can consume more than 20% of the teams Salary Cap ceiling. So if the CH% at time of signing < 20% & that only verifies its a valid CH%.

Take Matthews new deal as an example. That states Matthews has a CH% of 15.87 % signed on Aug 23,2023.

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That CH% is based on $13,250,000 AAV / Cap Ceiling for 2023-24 of $ 83,500,000. BUT ...

Matthews is still under contract for next year at his current $11.634 mil AAV based on $83,500,00 Cap = that puts his real actual CH% of 2023-24 at 13.9% not 15.87 at time of signing.

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Capfriendly even verifies that CH% for Matthews next year on each teams list and readjusts to represent actual in current season.

So here are the projected Cap Ceiling #'s for the next 3 years.
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When Matthews new contract actually begins in 2024-25 season and the new Cap ceiling is projected to raise by +$4 mil from $83,500,000 to $87,500,000 his new calculated CH% of $13.25 mil / $87,500,000 = 15.43 % and then in 2025-26 projected Cap Ceiling + $4.5 mil up to $92 million and then at that point Matthews actual CH% would drop to 14.4 %.

Quoting Mathews CH% on his new contract signed a year early of 15.87 % is the greatest red herring and NEVER plays any part in Leafs actual Cap Ceiling calculation. Comparing it to others at time of signing and then not considering its changes each year where TERM (becomes the most important) because as the Salary Cap ceiling rises the CH% declines. Quoting a historical #'s makes no sense.

McDavid's contract at time of signing was 8 years term, that means his $12.5 mil AAV in 2024-25 = 14.28 C.H% and in 2025-26 = 13.59 C.H% (both lower than Matthews new cap hit %) and his original 16.77 C.H% signed years ago has no relevance in today's Salary Cap calculations or discussion as being relevent.

cap hit percentage is actually really good. Because the cap keep changing, the really thing that important is how big a piece is any one player taking from the pie.

Matthews is taking the same piece of the pie as his old deal plus a crumb. Going from 14.64 to 15.2 is a 500k difference on a cap limit of 83.5M or 87M.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You're obviously too young to know better.

This city will turn on anyone at some point, whether deserved or not.

Massai and Nurse just went through it, as has Siakam and OG.

I wish I could believe that they would hold reverence for the team should they win, but I know better than to allow myself to be so naive.

Pretty funny that you're chiding someone for being "too young to know better" when what you're saying is completely wrong.

I remember watching guys like Sittler, Salming, Palmateer, Clark, Gilmour, all of them will be remembered as legends long after they're no longer even among the living.

As far as "turning on" people, not sure why people like you have a problem with being objective. When Masai made all the right moves and we won a championship, of course he was well loved. But now that he seems to have lost the thread and is making moves that nobody agrees with, why should people continue to worship him and approve of everything he does? The guy won, that's great but that doesn't give him a free pass for life to f*** up the franchise going forward. The players on that team though, sure some are people pissed a Kawhi cause he left but that's cause they loved him and wanted him to stay, not everyone is pissed at him and every other player who helped us win the championship is also a hero for life in this town starting with Lowry.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Its amazing how people get so consumed on CH% and its the least accurate stat to rely on.
The CBA states that no one player can consume more than 20% of the teams Salary Cap ceiling. So if the CH% at time of signing < 20% & that only verifies its a valid CH%.
Take Matthews new deal as an example. That states Matthews has a CH% of 15.87 % signed on Aug 23,2023.

View attachment 740150
That CH% is based on $13,250,000 AAV / Cap Ceiling for 2023-24 of $ 83,500,000. BUT ...
Matthews is still under contract for next year at his current $11.634 mil AAV based on $83,500,00 Cap = that puts his real actual CH% of 2023-24 at 13.9% not 15.87 at time of signing.

View attachment 740147
Capfriendly even verifies that CH% for Matthews next year on each teams list and readjusts to represent actual in current season.
So here are the projected Cap Ceiling #'s for the next 3 years.
View attachment 740149

When Matthews new contract actually begins in 2024-25 season and the new Cap ceiling is projected to raise by +$4 mil from $83,500,000 to $87,500,000 his new calculated CH% of $13.25 mil / $87,500,000 = 15.43 % and then in 2025-26 projected Cap Ceiling + $4.5 mil up to $92 million and then at that point Matthews actual CH% would drop to 14.4 %.

Quoting Mathews CH% on his new contract signed a year early of 15.87 % is the greatest red herring and NEVER plays any part in Leafs actual Cap Ceiling calculation. Comparing it to others at time of signing and then not considering its changes each year where TERM (becomes the most important) because as the Salary Cap ceiling rises the CH% declines. Quoting a historical #'s makes no sense.

McDavid's contract at time of signing was 8 years term, that means his $12.5 mil AAV in 2024-25 = 14.28 C.H% and in 2025-26 = 13.59 C.H% (both lower than Matthews new cap hit %) and his original 16.77 C.H% signed years ago has no relevance in today's Salary Cap calculations or discussion as being relevent.

This is all wrong. What matters when discussing contract signings is the cap hit percentage when they signed. That was their valuation.
What you're talking about is AAV, and while that is relevant to team-building, that is not relevant to contract signings.
You're attempting to use AAV because McDavid signed under a lower cap, and you're turning that AAV into a current cap hit percentage to muddy the waters, but that is not the signing cap hit percentage or valuation that people are discussing. Matthews has never surpassed McDavid's valuation; even his post-discount one.

 

[Despote]

This is all wrong. What matters when discussing contract signings is the cap hit percentage when they signed.

It's so funny when people think that 100 million dollar contracts get signed and everyone involved in the process is somehow unable to take into account factors such as a constantly rising cap and an expansion team driving up the revenue. Yeah, nobody factored that into any kind of calculation, only thing that matters is the signing date. Absolutely hilarious.

 

[pcruz]

remember when fans booed Marco Scutaro on his return to the dome? this was around the time they were losing their shit over Lyle Overbay starting over AAA superstar Randy Ruiz. ours is an absolutely psychotic sports town.

Or Mats Sundin, Kaberle, MaCabe, Domi, and Tucks.

All of these guys got to experience the best and worst of this fanbase.

Domi's fall from grace was because of an elbow he threw at an opponent in the playoffs.
Imagine what this fanbase would have done to Draisaitl when he went from playoff dynamo to just about suspended and cost his team big time against the VGK....all while recording 1 point in the last 4 games....
The same fans lauding Draisaitl as a performer and "what Matthews needs to be" would be out in droves asking for the guillotine.


Which is why I have so much disdain for swaths of this fanbase.
They don't know what they actually feel orwhat they want.
Their emotions change with the tides and therefore, so do their opinions...

 

[Dekes For Days]

It's so funny when people think that 100 million dollar contracts get signed and everyone involved in the process is somehow unable to take into account factors such as a constantly rising cap and an expansion team driving up the revenue. Yeah, nobody factored that into any kind of calculation, only thing that matters is the signing date. Absolutely hilarious.

Nobody said things weren't factored into signing cap hit percentages.
What's really funny is when people think that you can take AAVs signed under one cap and compare them to AAVs signed under a different cap when discussing signings.
It's also hilarious that people try to apply cap hit percentages to future caps that didn't exist and weren't expected when the signing occurred.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

Pretty funny that you're chiding someone for being "too young to know better" when what you're saying is completely wrong.

I remember watching guys like Sittler, Salming, Palmateer, Clark, Gilmour, all of them will be remembered as legends long after they're no longer even among the living.

As far as "turning on" people, not sure why people like you have a problem with being objective. When Masai made all the right moves and we won a championship, of course he was well loved. But now that he seems to have lost the thread and is making moves that nobody agrees with, why should people continue to worship him and approve of everything he does? The guy won, that's great but that doesn't give him a free pass for life to f*** up the franchise going forward. The players on that team though, sure some are people pissed a Kawhi cause he left but that's cause they loved him and wanted him to stay, not everyone is pissed at him and every other player who helped us win the championship is also a hero for life in this town starting with Lowry.

Really well said

 

[Notsince67]

If only there was this thing called an ignore button where you could just not see/engage with the whining you so desperately battle against.

Why do you feel so compelled to police other's opinions?

Why do you have to be a white knight?

 

[pcruz]

Really well said

It was, if you completely ignore documented history.

This is not a town that can appreciate what it has at any time.

It will, after some years, look back and fawn over what it used to have.

Toronto sports is littered with these types of scenarios, and it's not only a hockey issue.

For some reason, people in this town have given far too much oxygen and fuel to guys like Feschuck and Cox and Simmons. How so they stay employed? Because people consume their shit.

We look back on their stories and shake our heads years later, but contemporaneously, this town loves to regurgitate the pieces from these hacks.

And that's what has been going on with Matthews and Marner over the last few years, they became the target of these idiots with ink and paper and a platform, and the droves of imbeciles started turning on the kids.

They ignore that Matthews won 2 Richards, Hart, Lindsay, and finished with 2nd most goals twice, in the span of 7 years.

They ignore that Marner has now burned 100 points thrice and plays at a Selke level.

No, they have somehow made it a sole point to tell us that these 2 players are selfish and greedy and have shown no desire to win.

The only insight we have had into the room shows the exact "opposite, but evidence be damned.....Simmons and Cox and Feschuck told me so".


It was the same song and dance with Phil, and I was just as outspoken against idiot Leafs fans then (turn out I was right and he wasn't poisonous or cancerous in the room, turn out he could be a major factor in a winning team).

It was the same song and dance with Tucks, and Domi, and Kaberle, and Sundin.

And, sadly, early in the career of Matthews and Marner, I predicted that one day, this town would turn on them too.

f*** it sucks to be right about this bipolar town sometimes.

 

[ACC1224]

It was, if you completely ignore documented history.

This is not a town that can appreciate what it has at any time.

It will, after some years, look back and fawn over what it used to have.

Toronto sports is littered with these types of scenarios, and it's not only a hockey issue.

For some reason, people in this town have given far too much oxygen and fuel to guys like Feschuck and Cox and Simmons. How so they stay employed? Because people consume their shit.

We look back on their stories and shake our heads years later, but contemporaneously, this town loves to regurgitate the pieces from these hacks.

And that's what has been going on with Matthews and Marner over the last few years, they became the target of these idiots with ink and paper and a platform, and the droves of imbeciles started turning on the kids.

They ignore that Matthews won 2 Richards, Hart, Lindsay, and finished with 2nd most goals twice, in the span of 7 years.

They ignore that Marner has now burned 100 points thrice and plays at a Selke level.

No, they have somehow made it a sole point to tell us that these 2 players are selfish and greedy and have shown no desire to win.

The only insight we have had into the room shows the exact "opposite, but evidence be damned.....Simmons and Cox and Feschuck told me so".


It was the same song and dance with Phil, and I was just as outspoken against idiot Leafs fans then (turn out I was right and he wasn't poisonous or cancerous in the room, turn out he could be a major factor in a winning team).

It was the same song and dance with Tucks, and Domi, and Kaberle, and Sundin.

And, sadly, early in the career of Matthews and Marner, I predicted that one day, this town would turn on them too.

f*** it sucks to be right about this bipolar town sometimes.

You're way off base in regards to the Leafs.
Sittler, Gilmour, Tucker, Clark, are immensely popular still.

 

[IPS]

Why do you have to be a white knight?

That poster has tried imposing that rhetoric on me several times. Not defending anyone in particular.

 

[pcruz]

You're way off base in regards to the Leafs.
Sittler, Gilmour, Tucker, Clark, are immensely popular still.

Gilmour played 2 years here.

Sittler played 40 years ago.

Tucker was lambasted for some time as part of the Muskoka 5. You can't possibly try and whitewash history there.

Clark left before he could be turned on.


And like I said, we have a history of looking back I to the past and fawning over what we used to have, but that doesn't mask how some of the same player's were treated while they were current players.

Mats, Domi, Tucks, and many many others have failed into this cycle.


The next 2 to go through it will be Vladdy and Bo.

I predict a max of 2 years before people are asking for their heads around here.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It's so funny when people think that 100 million dollar contracts get signed and everyone involved in the process is somehow unable to take into account factors such as a constantly rising cap and an expansion team driving up the revenue. Yeah, nobody factored that into any kind of calculation, only thing that matters is the signing date. Absolutely hilarious.

Most people understand perfectly, why do you think so many are pissed that he didn't sign for 8 years?

It was, if you completely ignore documented history.

This is not a town that can appreciate what it has at any time.

It will, after some years, look back and fawn over what it used to have.

Toronto sports is littered with these types of scenarios, and it's not only a hockey issue.

For some reason, people in this town have given far too much oxygen and fuel to guys like Feschuck and Cox and Simmons. How so they stay employed? Because people consume their shit.

We look back on their stories and shake our heads years later, but contemporaneously, this town loves to regurgitate the pieces from these hacks.

And that's what has been going on with Matthews and Marner over the last few years, they became the target of these idiots with ink and paper and a platform, and the droves of imbeciles started turning on the kids.

They ignore that Matthews won 2 Richards, Hart, Lindsay, and finished with 2nd most goals twice, in the span of 7 years.

They ignore that Marner has now burned 100 points thrice and plays at a Selke level.

No, they have somehow made it a sole point to tell us that these 2 players are selfish and greedy and have shown no desire to win.

The only insight we have had into the room shows the exact "opposite, but evidence be damned.....Simmons and Cox and Feschuck told me so".


It was the same song and dance with Phil, and I was just as outspoken against idiot Leafs fans then (turn out I was right and he wasn't poisonous or cancerous in the room, turn out he could be a major factor in a winning team).

It was the same song and dance with Tucks, and Domi, and Kaberle, and Sundin.

And, sadly, early in the career of Matthews and Marner, I predicted that one day, this town would turn on them too.

f*** it sucks to be right about this bipolar town sometimes.

Earlier you were saying that fans "turn on" the players, now you're saying they'll "fawn over them later". I suggest you figure out what it is you actually think before posting. That way what you post may or may not still be nonsense, but at least you won't be contradicting yourself

Gilmour played 2 years here.

Sittler played 40 years ago.

Tucker was lambasted for some time as part of the Muskoka 5. You can't possibly try and whitewash history there.

Clark left before he could be turned on.

And like I said, we have a history of looking back I to the past and fawning over what we used to have, but that doesn't mask how some of the same player's were treated while they were current players.

Mats, Domi, Tucks, and many many others have failed into this cycle.

The next 2 to go through it will be Vladdy and Bo.

I predict a max of 2 years before people are asking for their heads around here.

All these guys were very popular when they played here and remain popular to this day. No offence but you have no idea WTF you're talking about.

 

[ACC1224]

Gilmour played 2 years here.

Sittler played 40 years ago.

Tucker was lambasted for some time as part of the Muskoka 5. You can't possibly try and whitewash history there.

Clark left before he could be turned on.


And like I said, we have a history of looking back I to the past and fawning over what we used to have, but that doesn't mask how some of the same player's were treated while they were current players.

Mats, Domi, Tucks, and many many others have failed into this cycle.


The next 2 to go through it will be Vladdy and Bo.

I predict a max of 2 years before people are asking for their heads around here.

All I know is when they make an appearance the fans love it.
Domi not so much but he was always an idiot.

 

[Sypher04]

All I know is when they make an appearance the fans love it.
Domi not so much but he was always an idiot.

I think some of the specific examples, like Tucker, were problematic, but I’m not sure I entirely disagree with his overall point.

This fanbase has shown a tendency to turn on its players. That said, some of it was earned

 

[ACC1224]

I think some of the specific examples, like Tucker, were problematic, but I’m not sure I entirely disagree with his overall point.

This fanbase has shown a tendency to turn on its players. That said, some of it was earned

All I know is when any of them make alumni appearances they are very much loved.

 

[pcruz]

Most people understand perfectly, why do you think so many are pissed that he didn't sign for 8 years?


Earlier you were saying that fans "turn on" the players, now you're saying they'll "fawn over them later". I suggest you figure out what it is you actually think before posting. That way what you post may or may not still be nonsense, but at least you won't be contradicting yourself


All these guys were very popular when they played here and remain popular to this day. No offence but you have no idea WTF you're talking about.

You obviously remember Phil Kessel.

His timeline in Toronto is exactly what I mean.
It's recent enough that everyone should be well aware, or capable of researching quickly.

After the trade, fans were excited. Star player in the making.
After 2 seasons, fans were angry. 2nd and 9th overall picks traded away. Seguin wins a cup.

After leading Toronto to the playoffs, fans were ecstatic.

After the "salute-gate", fans called him selfish, poisonous, cancerous, perennial loser, only interested in getting paid, "cannot win with this type of player on your team".

When he defended Dion, he was lambasted as tone deaf and not interested in winning.

When he was pictured mailing it in on the bike, he was blasted for lack of effort. Too fat, didn't care about getting in shape. Always looked too tired at the end of his shifts.

After saying he was going fishing after being eliminated, he was blasted for not caring enough. Didn't want to Win. Content with losing. Didn't want to stick around town and couldn't wait to get the hell out back to the US.

After the trade away, fans were happy "addition by subtraction", "Shanahan saw enough for 1 year and saw that he can't be around to negatively influence Matthews and Marner".


Now, Phil is a cult hero and even people who trashed him before are thinking of his time in the NHL fondly.
The jokes about hot dogs are not an attack ok him anymore, now it's satire and condemnation of Toronto media.

Phil won 3 cups now. He has come back to Toronto after all of them.
He's made light of the Simmons shit.

Fans have now forgotten how they called for his head along with Wilson during his cold streaks (which were surprisingly infrequent for an offensive winger).



That's indisputable. This is all documented.


Mats went from the best player to "selfish and content with losing in Toronto instead of going for a cup elsewhere".



Any of this ring a bell?

It's not going back on my words, it's just recapping what this town does to players.

They go from excited for potential.
To overeating the players as superstars.
To trashing the players for personal reasons (greedy/ selfish/ not interested in winning/ out of shape/ poison in the room).
To looking back at the player with rose coloured glasses and lamenting that" we don't have someone like him".....

 

[Gary Nylund]

You obviously remember Phil Kessel.

His timeline in Toronto is exactly what I mean.
It's recent enough that everyone should be well aware, or capable of researching quickly.

After the trade, fans were excited. Star player in the making.
After 2 seasons, fans were angry. 2nd and 9th overall picks traded away. Seguin wins a cup.

After leading Toronto to the playoffs, fans were ecstatic.

After the "salute-gate", fans called him selfish, poisonous, cancerous, perennial loser, only interested in getting paid, "cannot win with this type of player on your team".

When he defended Dion, he was lambasted as tone deaf and not interested in winning.

When he was pictured mailing it in on the bike, he was blasted for lack of effort. Too fat, didn't care about getting in shape. Always looked too tired at the end of his shifts.

After saying he was going fishing after being eliminated, he was blasted for not caring enough. Didn't want to Win. Content with losing. Didn't want to stick around town and couldn't wait to get the hell out back to the US.

After the trade away, fans were happy "addition by subtraction", "Shanahan saw enough for 1 year and saw that he can't be around to negatively influence Matthews and Marner".


Now, Phil is a cult hero and even people who trashed him before are thinking of his time in the NHL fondly.
The jokes about hot dogs are not an attack ok him anymore, now it's satire and condemnation of Toronto media.

Phil won 3 cups now. He has come back to Toronto after all of them.
He's made light of the Simmons shit.

Fans have now forgotten how they called for his head along with Wilson during his cold streaks (which were surprisingly infrequent for an offensive winger).



That's indisputable. This is all documented.


Mats went from the best player to "selfish and content with losing in Toronto instead of going for a cup elsewhere".



Any of this ring a bell?

It's not going back on my words, it's just recapping what this town does to players.

They go from excited for potential.
To overeating the players as superstars.
To trashing the players for personal reasons (greedy/ selfish/ not interested in winning/ out of shape/ poison in the room).
To looking back at the player with rose coloured glasses and lamenting that" we don't have someone like him".....

You say you won't go back on your words but you've already contradicted yourself. And when do you figure we'll get to the point where people are trashing players like Sittler, Salming, Gilmour etc., are you really sure this is going to happen?

The biggest problem with your rants is how you're generalizing. You complaining about "fans" if the millions of Leaf fans all behave the same way including yourself. Why don't you give us a break and just yell at the mirror for a while?

 

[Mess]

ESPN recently put out a series of player projections for the NHL season and in terms of points leaders, there's a puzzling omission within their top-10 in Toronto Maple Leafs forward Auston Matthews.

Recently crowned the highest paid athlete in the sport - though his new contract doesn't kick in until the next year - Matthews was omitted from a top-10 list that includes the usual suspects in Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, and Nathan MacKinnon. However, included in the mix that missed out in 2022-23 are Jack Hughes and Mitch Marner.

McDavid is supposed to pace the league with 148 points, followed by his running mate in Draisaitl with 129 pionts. Next, per ESPN's projections is Elias Pettersson, who they have rounding out the top-3 with 116 points. After that it's Matthew Tkachuk (112), Jason Robertson (108), Jack Hughes (107), Nikita Kucherov (107), Nathan MacKinnon (106), David Pastrnak (105), and Mitch Marner (102).

Matthews posted 106 points just two seasons ago. The only possible reason Matthews was left off of the list is due to health concerns. Matthews battled multiple injuries last season, including injuries to his wrist, knee and back/oblique.

 

[pcruz]

All I know is when any of them make alumni appearances they are very much loved.

Look up the terms Muskoka 5.

Here, I'll start it off for you.

The Maple Leafs and the Legacy of the Muskoka Five - The Hockey Writers Maple Leafs History Latest News, Analysis & More

The Muskoka Five were 5 players in Toronto who were too comfortable, content to lose, and spend summers by the lake. Who were they?

thehockeywriters.com

Think back to 2003, then to 2012, and now.

What did people think of:

Sundin
Tucker
Kaberle
McCabe
Kubina