Confirmed with Link: Leafs sign D Chris Tanev (6 years, $4.5M AAV)

[Jimmy Firecracker]

They likely do. It wouldn't change our depth or our desire to utilize our defensively-strong top RD in a shutdown pairing. Also, Schenn was great for us.

There’s a chance they do still go out and acquire them, but but my main point is that they wouldn’t stick either of them immediately on the top pairing to play with our best D-man.

 

[Dekes For Days]

At d if you cant play physical, you absolutly need speed to defend. If taking 1/2 more to be at your position and your can't play physical. Physical game help you to win some time. I give you an exenple... You're on the rush, you reach blue line, trying to attavk middle of the ice and get hit pretty hard... Next time do you think, you will react the same way or thinking a little longer and maybe hesitate? Maybe stay a little more on the board and taking 1,2 for second to attack the D. so physicality help to win time. If you dont play physical what do you think will happen, they will conti u to attack him over and over again. He become to slow to follow them and will never slow you down, so you can do every thing you want and just get free entry zone all the time. Thats why brodie game declining much more faster than tanev.

There is more to defending than just physicality and speed, Players use a wide array of skills and attributes to be successful. and neither of the referenced players are overly reliant on speed. Physicality also does not have the impact you're claiming on attacking players. That is a myth. In fact, if a player is defending rushes with physicality and trying to lay big hits, loss of speed could affect them even more, as they not only require speed to connect on those hits, but to get back in position afterwards. Somebody who maintains good positioning isn't going to need those quick adjustments as often. There is quite a bit of historical evidence that physically-reliant players tend to break down earlier. Brodie's struggles last year weren't even about speed. They were seemingly about his catastrophic situation off-ice getting in his head - which is what he actually relies on the most.

There’s a chance they do still go out and acquire them, but but my main point is that they wouldn’t stick either of them immediately on the top pairing to play with our best D-man.

They likely would. Which defensively-strong top RD we got wouldn't change that they wanted to utilize them in a strong shutdown pairing.

 

[thusk]

There is more to defending than just physicality and speed, Players use a wide array of skills and attributes to be successful. and neither of the referenced players are overly reliant on speed. Physicality also does not have the impact you're claiming on attacking players. That is a myth. In fact, if a player is defending rushes with physicality and trying to lay big hits, loss of speed could affect them even more, as they not only require speed to connect on those hits, but to get back in position afterwards. Somebody who maintains good positioning isn't going to need those quick adjustments as often. There is quite a bit of historical evidence that physically-reliant players tend to break down earlier. Brodie's struggles last year weren't even about speed. They were seemingly about his catastrophic situation off-ice getting in his head - which is what he actually relies on the most.

They likely would. Which defensively-strong top RD we got wouldn't change that they wanted to utilize them in a strong shutdown pairing.

Playing physical doesn't mean going for the big hit every time but been able to doing it at key time. It was what Hainsey did by exemple.

Tanev hockey IQ is even bigger than brodie. He's anticipate the game pretty well and hes able to positionning himself on position to make a play...

Brodie didn't struggling just last season... 2 year ago in playoff, he was not pretty good and they attacked him constantly

 

[Dekes For Days]

Playing physical doesn't mean going for the big hit every time but been able to doing it at key time. It was what Hainsey did by exemple.
Tanev hockey IQ is even bigger than brodie. He's anticipate the game pretty well and hes able to positionning himself on position to make a play...
Brodie didn't struggling just last season... 2 year ago in playoff, he was not pretty good and they attacked him constantly

I know it doesn't mean they always go for the big hit. I was using your example, and showing how physical players utilize speed as well.
Tanev's hockey IQ is fine, but it is not better than Brodie's. Brodie played well for us in 2022-2023.

 

[13pacheco31]

Does anyone believe there is any expectation he'll be around for all 6?

League said they are not going to do anything to address the inequity between teams with regards to taxation. Said it was too complicated so it is up to the teams to address those inequities.

My guess is there is only surface concern from the league about these "unable to complete" contracts.

Paraphrase the league's response, "Sucks to be you. Deal with it."

I don't expect him to play more than 4 seasons. This contract is absolutely idiotic

 

[Maple Leaf]

I don't expect him to play more than 4 seasons. This contract is absolutely idiotic

leafs need a defender and they got one

 

[13pacheco31]

leafs need a defender and they got one

Agreed. Unfortunately, the contract is too long. Tanev is 34

 

[thusk]

I know it doesn't mean they always go for the big hit. I was using your example, and showing how physical players utilize speed as well.
Tanev's hockey IQ is fine, but it is not better than Brodie's. Brodie played well for us in 2022-2023.

Tanev IQ is the reason why he had been amount best shutdown d in the league. If it would be only for his ability/skill, he would never had any NHL career. Tanev IQ is elite. You will not see a lot of time tanev get caught out of position because hes anticipating the play extremely well, will always be on passing lane/shooting lane

 

[ULF_55]

Agreed. Unfortunately, the contract is too long. Tanev is 34

This represents the means by which taxation locations can level the playing field.
This is equal to a 4 year + 2 year deferred contract.

 

[13pacheco31]

This represents the means by which taxation locations can level the playing field.
This is equal to a 4 year + 2 year deferred contract.

I think 3 years would have been ideal, 4 I could love with

 

[IPS]

Anyone referring to Tanev as a "physicality-reliant player" knows pretty well nothing about the player at all.

His defensive positioning / awareness is next level. The physical play is an added bonus.

 

[The Shrike]

I don't expect him to play more than 4 seasons. This contract is absolutely idiotic

If LTIR didn't exist it would be idiotic.

 

[thusk]

I know it doesn't mean they always go for the big hit. I was using your example, and showing how physical players utilize speed as well.
Tanev's hockey IQ is fine, but it is not better than Brodie's. Brodie played well for us in 2022-2023.

and just funny i just watch a video of jt and rielly saying how great tanev hockey IQ is...

 

[13pacheco31]

If LTIR didn't exist it would be idiotic.

Hasn't the league been talking about changing the ltir rule to avoid circumvention?

 

[ULF_55]

Hasn't the league been talking about changing the ltir rule to avoid circumvention?

As long as VGK agree.

 

[Racer88]

I don't expect him to play more than 4 seasons. This contract is absolutely idiotic

They are going to blow it up in 4 more years so it won’t matter

 

[Dekes For Days]

Tanev IQ is the reason why he had been amount best shutdown d in the league. If it would be only for his ability/skill, he would never had any NHL career. Tanev IQ is elite. You will not see a lot of time tanev get caught out of position because hes anticipating the play extremely well, will always be on passing lane/shooting lane

and just funny i just watch a video of jt and rielly saying how great tanev hockey IQ is...

Nobody said Tanev had poor hockey IQ. You were just incorrect when diminishing another player's strong hockey IQ in the process.

 

[ULF_55]

Nobody said Tanev had poor hockey IQ. You were just incorrect when diminishing another player's strong hockey IQ in the process.

One of Brodie's strength was HIQ. Does Giordano win the Norris without a good partner?

Brodie just fell off, probably two influences, off-ice concerns, and age.

 

[thusk]

Nobody said Tanev had poor hockey IQ. You were just incorrect when diminishing another player's strong hockey IQ in the process.

i never said Brodie had a low Hockey IQ, (he actually having a good one), but i just say than Tanev have an higher hockey IQ ( who had elite hockey IQ)

 

[notbias]

i never said Brodie had a low Hockey IQ, (he actually having a good one), but i just say than Tanev have an higher hockey IQ ( who had elite hockey IQ)

Tanev is more physically gifted, and Brodie has a higher hockey IQ.

Brodie was also terrible in recent years, Tanev was good.

I don't think Tanev is an upgrade on Brodie 3 years ago, but I think he is a big upgrade from last year.

 

[thusk]

Tanev is more physically gifted, and Brodie has a higher hockey IQ.

Brodie was also terrible in recent years, Tanev was good.

I don't think Tanev is an upgrade on Brodie 3 years ago, but I think he is a big upgrade from last year.

tanev is 6'02 193
brodie 6'02 187

more physical gifted or just the fact tanev working harder and ready to sacrifice his body on every play and do every thing to be the best player he can?

The reality is brodie have more skill than tanev and but tanev having better hockey IQ and working harder so thats why they both had a good carreer... Tanev clearly didn't had his carrer with his skill...

Youbwilk see the difference between both come playoff time i 100% sure

 

[notbias]

tanev is 6'02 193
brodie 6'02 187

more physical gifted or just the fact tanev working harder and ready to sacrifice his body on every play and do every thing to be the best player he can?

The reality is brodie have more skill than tanev and but tanev having better hockey IQ and working harder so thats why they both had a good carreer... Tanev clearly didn't had his carrer with his skill...

Youbwilk see the difference between both come playoff time i 100% sure

The reality is that you are not educated on the two if you think this.

 

[Sypher04]

Tanev is more physically gifted, and Brodie has a higher hockey IQ.

I don’t think that’s true personally

 

[thusk]

The reality is that you are not educated on the two if you think this.

Even leafs player talked about tremendous tanev hockey IQ but again you're certainly more educated

 

[notbias]

Even leafs player talked about tremendous tanev hockey IQ but again you're certainly more educated

Not saying he doesn't have great HIQ, but that is Brodie's strength too.