TSN: Leafs set to interview Treliving for GM role

[ACC1224]

You’d have to think he’s the front runner.

 

[SprDaVE]

Another wrinkle to the Treliving thing is that Calgary isn't gonna allow him to work until after the draft and given how few picks we have we have to hit on like 2 of these picks.

The Draft happens on June 28th and 29th. So Treliving starts work on the 30th and has to work on extending the core right away.

Does it really matter? Give the table to Pridham and Wes Clark. Treliving, IF hired, can work on other important things that need addressing anyway, like extending the players and probably addressing the rest of the front office.

Fair enough but that doesn't strike me as anything to get particularly excited about - overseeing a few good drafts 7-8 years ago...

The whole James Neal signing, and then trading him for Lucic was less than ideal to say the least - probably his worst move overall. Getting locked into a guy for 6 mil to score 20 points a season....

I don't think he's necessarily the worst GM in the league or anything like that..but seems as if the best case scenario is "he'll be okay"

Fair fair. I just think that whoever you hire will have the same ups and downs on their track record. If you're opting for no track record, hard to know without knowing them closely. It doesn't seem like Tulsky, despite his hot stock, will get Pittsburgh job...

 

[Racer88]

That Huberdeau contract is disgusting

The Tavares contract is disgusting

 

[mydnyte]

I'm not convinced Treliving is the best available candidate but...

The recent drafting record of the Calgary Flames is more of a reflection of their scouting department than Treliving. The same can be said for any NHL club.

In terms of Treliving's track record regarding trades, UFA acquisitions, and contract negotiations, I don't see how anyone can make a legitimate case that he's worse than Dubas in comparison.

If it happens, I for one would not consider it a downgrade.

Kadri signing... one of the worst, if not the worst of last off season. it reeked of desperation and for as long as Kadri waited, he got paid 2-3 mil more than he's worth, coming off a 'career season' on the cup winner, where again, he never had to face top lines/pairings
then he gave Hub 10.5 after another anomaly 'career season' to save face and not lose the player
Weeger 6.25 are you kidding me, he's at best a middle pair d-man being paid like a #1
The only player Dubas overpaid was Marner.
Matthews got what he deserved
Nylander ended up being a 'steal'
Tavares took a discount to sign with us, and he's still a PPG player, and would be Calgary's #1C right now.
so, how is that for a legitimate case, and i didnt even mention Markstrom at 6

 

[Stephen]

I think his ability of finding good trades and players. Also being able to build a team that, at least on paper, is really good. Not many people predicted that team to implode last season. His drafting is also a lot better than a lot of the other "veteran" GMs, but that can vary a lot depending on scouts and draft position. His 2015 and 2016 drafts were among the best. A lot of the really good value on that team is because of him and a lot of those additions wasn't just an easy thing. He's competent. Not to say he hasn't made bad signing and trade mistakes... but who hasn't? Aside from the Tkachuk trade/Huberdeau extension, what was his worst trade/signing from the top of your head?

Lack of playoff success to me is the big red flag. His coaching hires seem pretty bad as well. Those 2 things seem a lot worse than his actual GM performance of trading/signing/drafting, but they got hand in hand I suppose.

You stick a pin into the Toronto Maple Leaf hype bubble, we have the same number of playoff wins as the Calgary Flames since 2019 and one fewer bubble playoff qualifying round win.

Treliving's probably not my guy in the end, but he is a solid if not spectacular pro.

 

[hamzarocks]

Here's a better angle - what has he done well?

Drafts from 2015-2016 were good, and then 2019-2022 look promising again

Notable Picks:

Rasmus Andersson (late 2nd - became a #1D), Oliver Kylington (Last pick in R2 - became a 4D, with some untapped potential), Magniapaine (mid 6th round - became a top 6winger)

Matthew Tkachuk (6th OA - became a superstar, and now looks to be a top 5 player potentially in the league, dealt as he was not willing to stay L/T in Calgary), Dillon Dube (late 2nd - became a good 3rd liner for the flames), Adam Fox (early 3rd - Became a top 5D, though he refused to sign in Cal and then in CAR, with his mind being only set for NYR).

Some other low-key promising/potential draft picks he's made are:
1) Matthew Philips (tore up the AHL last 3 years, Sutter didn't play him due to him being a hobbit, and could become a 40-50 pt guy next year as he's only 25)
2) Valiamaki (16th OA in 2017 - dealt now, but at the point was looking very promising, had a torn ACL which cost him the full 2020 year and stalled his development next two years. Since being dealt to Arizona, he had a near 40 pt pace (35 in 74). Sure some of it is due to getting lots of time on a weak team, but he looks like he could be developing into a top 4D if he keeps progressing
3) Adam Ruzicka: 4th rounder in 2017, Very big and has physical tools that are hard to come by, 6'4 and 220 lbs. Productive player who for some reason didn't get many games the last two years (10 pts in 28 games in 2022 and 20 pts in 44 games in 2023). Is 24, has potential, and could break out to a good PWF if he gets opportunities next year

Besides the above names, there are the following very promising prospects from 2019 - 2022 who look to be major factors for the flames next year and beyond:

1) Jacob Pelletier - Likely a 2nd line winger
2) Dustin Wolf - Potential Franchise/Vezina goalie, has dominated every level of hockey he's played including 1 game in the NHL last year
3) Connor Zary - Late 1st in 2020 - Has been productive in the AHL, and likely had 3C floor with the potential to be a 2C if all goes well
4) Jeremy Porier - 4th round in 2020 - Boom or Bust potential, very productive in the Q, and now had around 41 pts in 70 games in the AHL as a 20-year-old along with 8 pts in 9 playoff games. Has defensive and commitment issues, but could be a Torey Krug-type player if he hits
5) Matt Coronato - 13OA in 2021, two good NCAA seasons, strong 2022 WJC, likely a 2nd line RW for the Flames.

Kadri signing... one of the worst, if not the worst of last off season. it reeked of desperation and for as long as Kadri waited, he got paid 2-3 mil more than he's worth, coming off a 'career season' on the cup winner, where again, he never had to face top lines/pairings
then he gave Hub 10.5 after another anomaly 'career season' to save face and not lose the player
Weeger 6.25 are you kidding me, he's at best a middle pair d-man being paid like a #1
The only player Dubas overpaid was Marner.
Matthews got what he deserved
Nylander ended up being a 'steal'
Tavares took a discount to sign with us, and he's still a PPG player, and would be Calgary's #1C right now.
so, how is that for a legitimate case, and i didnt even mention Markstrom at 6

Kadri had 56 pts on 7M contract

Tavares had 80 pts on a 11M contract

Kadri is closer to living up to his contract then Tavares, he was better relative to his deal this year. Kadri's downside is age. That deal will be LTIR'd or bought out/buried in the AHL with no cap savings in the last 2-3 years.

We were fortunate we signed JT in 2018 summer, had he been a UFA in 2020 summer and we signed him, we'd be pretty f***ed too

 

[Leafs87]

I will say whoever takes over as GM will have a similar mandate. You won't see a rebuild under him. It will be keeping our contender status and also getting playoff success. He's never accomplished the latter in Calgary either but they did have some good seasons.

This team deserves to have that mandate. Calgary did not

 

[mydnyte]

The Tavares contract is disgusting

at least it doesnt end in 2031, and just happens to end the same season as one of the best UFA crops ever ...and a season before McDavid 'may' be available as a UFA if he makes it there.
I also have a feeling Tavares will resign ala Spezza for league min once his contract is done, or very cheap anyways if there is a mutual desire.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Seems like the situation he'd probably be walking into again in Toronto....

In a way, yes. But the difference is that our mandate at this time with our current core should be to remain contenders. That wasn't necessarily the case in Calgary with their core.

He would be walking into a different situation here, with a stronger foundation to build around. Our facilities are also considerably better than Calgary, and with all due respect to their city, Toronto is a far more attractive market for free agents.

 

[hamzarocks]

at least it doesnt end in 2031, and just happens to end the same season as one of the best UFA crops ever ...and a season before McDavid 'may' be available as a UFA if he makes it there.
I also have a feeling Tavares will resign ala Spezza for league min once his contract is done, or very cheap anyways if there is a mutual desire.

Unless Tavares has back to back like 30 pt years he is getting 6-7M on his next deal (3-4 year deal)

You said it yourself, he is "PPG" if you take 15 points of his UFA season total and say he has a 65 point season, then he won't sign for 1-2M cheap deal

He will get paid on final contract at 6ishM

 

[Maple Leaf]

Is this guy even good

 

[Leaf Rocket]

“Huberdeau and Sutter weren’t Treliving’s fault, ownership forced his hand on those!”

Haha yeah that would never happen in Toronto.

 

[jaric1862]

Treliving is by a mile the best GM available.

People who want Tulsky - a rookie GM - to run this franchise a month out from having to re-sign Matthews, and make decisions on the core four are out of their minds.

He doesn't have experience being the man at the top - negotiating contracts, negotiating deals around the league, dealing with the media, fostering relationships with other GMs, Managing culture, etc .

He would be coming from a AGM role in Carolina (lol) to TORONTO, the biggest/highest pressure market in hockey.

 

[mydnyte]

Drafts from 2015-2016 were good, and then 2019-2022 look promising again

Notable Picks:

Rasmus Andersson (late 2nd - became a #1D), Oliver Kylington (Last pick in R2 - became a 4D, with some untapped potential), Magniapaine (mid 6th round - became a top 6winger)

Matthew Tkachuk (6th OA - became a superstar, and now looks to be a top 5 player potentially in the league, dealt as he was not willing to stay L/T in Calgary), Dillon Dube (late 2nd - became a good 3rd liner for the flames), Adam Fox (early 3rd - Became a top 5D, though he refused to sign in Cal and then in CAR, with his mind being only set for NYR).

Some other low-key promising/potential draft picks he's made are:
1) Matthew Philips (tore up the AHL last 3 years, Sutter didn't play him due to him being a hobbit, and could become a 40-50 pt guy next year as he's only 25)
2) Valiamaki (16th OA in 2017 - dealt now, but at the point was looking very promising, had a torn ACL which cost him the full 2020 year and stalled his development next two years. Since being dealt to Arizona, he had a near 40 pt pace (35 in 74). Sure some of it is due to getting lots of time on a weak team, but he looks like he could be developing into a top 4D if he keeps progressing
3) Adam Ruzicka: 4th rounder in 2017, Very big and has physical tools that are hard to come by, 6'4 and 220 lbs. Productive player who for some reason didn't get many games the last two years (10 pts in 28 games in 2022 and 20 pts in 44 games in 2023). Is 24, has potential, and could break out to a good PWF if he gets opportunities next year

Besides the above names, there are the following very promising prospects from 2019 - 2022 who look to be major factors for the flames next year and beyond:

1) Jacob Pelletier - Likely a 2nd line winger
2) Dustin Wolf - Potential Franchise/Vezina goalie, has dominated every level of hockey he's played including 1 game in the NHL last year
3) Connor Zary - Late 1st in 2020 - Has been productive in the AHL, and likely had 3C floor with the potential to be a 2C if all goes well
4) Jeremy Porier - 4th round in 2020 - Boom or Bust potential, very productive in the Q, and now had around 41 pts in 70 games in the AHL as a 20-year-old along with 8 pts in 9 playoff games. Has defensive and commitment issues, but could be a Torey Krug-type player if he hits
5) Matt Coronato - 13OA in 2021, two good NCAA seasons, strong 2022 WJC, likely a 2nd line RW for the Flames.


Kadri had 56 pts on 7M contract

Tavares had 80 pts on a 11M contract

Kadri is closer to living up to his contract then Tavares, he was better relative to his deal this year. Kadri's downside is age. That deal will be LTIR'd or bought out/buried in the AHL with no cap savings in the last 2-3 years.

We were fortunate we signed JT in 2018 summer, had he been a UFA in 2020 summer and we signed him, we'd be pretty f***ed too

he only got Tkachuck because Vancouver screwed the pooch and took Juolevi at 5 who wasnt ranked in that stratosphere, so, his pick was a no brainer.
80 points and 56 are not comparable
Bunting's points is comparable to Kadri at 950k ...so, that more than makes up the difference.
Wolf is small for todays NHL, but, he has pedigree ...but goalies are voodoo
and listing prospects that have done nothing means nothing. likely/maybe we have tons of that too.
the only other guy he drafted (if it was him) that was a home run is Anderson

I just dont want a guy thats going to screw up what we already have, so, no to Trev

 

[SprDaVE]

This team deserves to have that mandate. Calgary did not

Ok but the mandate is still the same regardless if the team needed or not. And Calgary did finish with 110 points or something last year.

 

[mydnyte]

Unless Tavares has back to back like 30 pt years he is getting 6-7M on his next deal (3-4 year deal)

You said it yourself, he is "PPG" if you take 15 points of his UFA season total and say he has a 65 point season, then he won't sign for 1-2M cheap deal

He will get paid on final contract at 6ishM

quite possible, but, he'll be older, and the Leafs wont be able to pay him... so, if he wants to stay, its 100% up to him to do it on the cheap, or leave 'home'.

 

[hamzarocks]

he only got Tkachuck because Vancouver screwed the pooch and took Juolevi at 5 who wasnt ranked in that stratosphere, so, his pick was a no brainer.
80 points and 56 are not comparable
Bunting's points is comparable to Kadri at 950k ...so, that more than makes up the difference.
Wolf is small for todays NHL, but, he has pedigree ...but goalies are voodoo
and listing prospects that have done nothing means nothing. likely/maybe we have tons of that too.
the only other guy he drafted (if it was him) that was a home run is Anderson

I just dont want a guy thats going to screw up what we already have, so, no to Trev

We are giving credit to Dubas for maybe's so I gave Treveling credit for maybes.

The flames have higher fire maybes though in the listing I provided

Also, Fox was a home run pick who just didn't sign, Magnipaine was a better pick than any we've made outside of WN, MM, and AM since probably Connor Brown.

Dub

 

[Menzinger]

Yeah, but just okay is kind of our point of reference from the last guy... you lay out the full Dubas resume, there's a lot of bleh.

Sure. But as of last week Dubas' is ancient history in Toronto. If this organization is getting a chance to reset the clock, shouldn't they be aiming higher?

 

[mydnyte]

We are giving credit to Dubas for maybe's so I gave Treveling credit for maybes.

The flames have more higher fire maybes though in the listing I provided

Also, Fox was a home run pick who just didn't sign, Magnipaine was a better pick than any we've made outside of WN, MM, and AM since probably Connor Brown.

I'm not actually ...i just dont trust Trev
Dubas is gone, and i want someone better than Dubas, not arguably 'worse'
'Fox' he was a Carolina pick wasnt he?

 

[nuck]

Does it really matter? Give the table to Pridham and Wes Clark. Treliving, IF hired, can work on other important things that need addressing anyway, like extending the players and probably addressing the rest of the front office.



Fair fair. I just think that whoever you hire will have the same ups and downs on their track record. If you're opting for no track record, hard to know without knowing them closely. It doesn't seem like Tulsky, despite his hot stock, will get Pittsburgh job...

He would be working off the Leafs scouting lists anyways, It isn't like he or KD were out bird dogging prospects themselves. Extending the players is the real challenge where the GM needs to work some real magic if he can.

 

[mydnyte]

Sure. But as if last week Dubas' is ancient history in Toronto. If this organization is getting a chance to reset the clock, shouldn't they be aiming higher?

Yes... I'd see if Poile had any interest in coming here.
he's made a few trade steals of epic proportions, and he can sure draft D and goalies like nobody else.

 

[Legion34]

Kadri signing... one of the worst, if not the worst of last off season. it reeked of desperation and for as long as Kadri waited, he got paid 2-3 mil more than he's worth, coming off a 'career season' on the cup winner, where again, he never had to face top lines/pairings
then he gave Hub 10.5 after another anomaly 'career season' to save face and not lose the player
Weeger 6.25 are you kidding me, he's at best a middle pair d-man being paid like a #1
The only player Dubas overpaid was Marner.
Matthews got what he deserved
Nylander ended up being a 'steal'
Tavares took a discount to sign with us, and he's still a PPG player, and would be Calgary's #1C right now.
so, how is that for a legitimate case, and i didnt even mention Markstrom at 6

???? Kadri at 7 is fine look at UFAs making 7. If you think kadri is worth 4-5 good lord.

Weegar at 6.25 is a fine deal.
I do agree with the rest.

Sutter coached a terrible style and Mcdavid broke markstrom…

He has made lemonade in a few tough situations and won’t be afraid to deal platers who won’t sign. He got hired by gaudreau and won’t let that Hapoen

I wonder if he would make trades with Calgary

 

[hamzarocks]

I'm not actually ...i just dont trust Trev
Dubas is gone, and i want someone better than Dubas, not arguably 'worse'
'Fox' he was a Carolina pick wasnt he?

Fox was the Flames pick, who got dealt in the Dougie hamilton + ferland for Lindholm + Hanafin trade

We will only know if the GM is worse then Dubas once hired, and we see their moves and how it impacts the team in the playoffs.

I'm not arguing we must hire Treveling, just saying he has some nice work done and could be a decent option if he can adjust his mistakes in CAL.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Sure. But as of last week Dubas' is ancient history in Toronto. If this organization is getting a chance to reset the clock, shouldn't they be aiming higher?

In fairness we know the names who are available in theory but are they actually looking for a GM role? Do they want to be in Toronto?

We don’t get privy to that information much.

 

[AuraSphere]

I don't think he's as bad as a lot of people think, but I'm hoping we find someone better

He'd be a whole lot of meh

lol - Trevaling will mark the end of the era for Leafs and back to despair world