Line Combos: Leafs roster [Before] & [After] and work in progress

[kb]

You continue to run away from a simple question, both proving the relevance of the question and your inability to answer it to demonstrate any consistency or objectivity whatsoever.

What makes it all the more hilarious is the you are the one that runs around angrily demanding that everyone your inane questions.

This is the norm sadly.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Claiming they were unlucky is a losers excuse. You make your own luck when preparation meets opportunity.

The Leafs aren’t prepared for an opportunity.

They’re a bunch of divas and snowflakes. Zero luck involved in that.

This is basically my motto. You make your own luck. Isn’t it crazy how the people who work the hardest and are the most prepared have the best luck

 

[Stonehands1990]

I'm sorry, but, your Captain being nearly decapitated in the 1st game 1st period does quality as 'unlucky' ...they didnt finish out the series, and there is no excuse for that, but, you cant 'make' your own luck out of the Tavares situation.
If Kucherov got knocked out in game 1, period 1 TB doesnt win the Cup, and that is a certainty
Somtimes, 'luck' is your players not getting hurt, or you get a crossbar and in, rather than out, or Hyman's butt doesnt block an open net gimmie of a goal in the series clinching game. ...that is 'luck' also, but, for the other team.

Did the 04 Leafs not win multiple rounds with an injured Sundin?

 

[Stonehands1990]

To disregard luck's effect in hockey is being complete naive.

That’s a losers excuse. You make your own luck. The hardest working, most prepared team always manages to be the luckiest. At every level of hockey the teams that go far in the playoffs regardless of talent usually work the hardest

 

[zeke]

Did the 04 Leafs not win multiple rounds with an injured Sundin?

And then got crushed with Sundin.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Isn’t it crazy how the people who work the hardest and are the most prepared have the best luck

Except that's not true. You just arbitrarily assume, with hindsight, that those people with the positive outcome worked the hardest and were the most prepared, when that's usually not the case at all.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You continue to run away from a simple question, both proving the relevance of the question and your inability to answer it to demonstrate any consistency or objectivity whatsoever.

You want to ask questions about the Avalanche, go to their board and stop wasting everyone's time.

What makes it all the more hilarious is the you are the one that runs around angrily demanding that everyone your inane questions.

You just described yourself - there are MANY questions you've never answered but unlike you, I don't "demand" anything.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Except that's not true. You just arbitrarily assume, with hindsight, that those people with the positive outcome worked the hardest and were the most prepared, when that's usually not the case at all.

I guess everyone who says Tom Brady is the hardest worker and the most prepared athlete is a liar. Good chat

 

[Dekes For Days]

Very interesting. Thanks for posting. This would make us the only top 10 team from last year that improved their team this offseason. Are these relative to the playoff rosters?

We're all welcome to post what we like as long as we stay within the rules of the board. What's your point?

I think the point was, just as you have been free to post with abundant negativity, others are free to post things that acknowledge the quality of the Leafs team and the many positives we have, yet we now have a multi-page argument started because you took such issue with objective information simply being posted.

I guess everyone who says Tom Brady is the hardest worker and the most prepared athlete is a liar.

First off, that's an entirely different sport.
Second, while I'm sure he is a hard worker and heavily prepared, there's really no basis with which to conclude that he is the hardest worker and more prepared than everybody else in the league, and that is his reason for success.
Third, there's no reason to believe our stars aren't hard working and prepared as well.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

If luck matters more in hockey than other team sports (which intuitively seems true because it's played on ice), then doesn't that make hockey analytics far less reliable than other sports analytics?

It's probably because either the analytics don't factor some things into their equations which make them seem like 'luck' when in fact they might not be just luck. I tend to think most of the stuff we (Fans and Media) use analytically to gauge a player is way outdated compared to what teams use.

In Saying that I would also say that analytics should be to confirm the eye test or at least make you ponder what your eyes are seeing. They are currently being used as a tool that describes everything about a player and leaving out the intangible factor.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

This is basically my motto. You make your own luck. Isn’t it crazy how the people who work the hardest and are the most prepared have the best luck

Luck is when "Preparation and opportunity meet".....I always say that to my kids when they tell me I am lucky at anything.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Very interesting. Thanks for posting. This would make us the only top 10 team from last year that improved their team this offseason. Are these relative to the playoff rosters?

I think the point was, just as you have been free to post with abundant negativity, others are free to post things that acknowledge the quality of the Leafs team and the many positives we have, yet we now have a multi-page argument started because you took such issue with objective information simply being posted.

First off, that's an entirely different sport.
Second, while I'm sure he is a hard worker and heavily prepared, there's really no basis with which to conclude that he is the hardest worker and more prepared than everybody else in the league, and that is his reason for success.
Third, there's no reason to believe our stars aren't hard working and prepared as well.

Just look at their development for evidence. Nylander & Rielly are both beasts in the weight room. Matthews adds wrinkles every off season and shows up in amazing shape

Marner, barely changes. Clearly does not lift weights in the off season. When you have a 10.8 million dollar boat anchor in the playoffs don’t expect much luck to go your way

 

[Stonehands1990]

Very interesting. Thanks for posting. This would make us the only top 10 team from last year that improved their team this offseason. Are these relative to the playoff rosters?

I think the point was, just as you have been free to post with abundant negativity, others are free to post things that acknowledge the quality of the Leafs team and the many positives we have, yet we now have a multi-page argument started because you took such issue with objective information simply being posted.

First off, that's an entirely different sport.
Second, while I'm sure he is a hard worker and heavily prepared, there's really no basis with which to conclude that he is the hardest worker and more prepared than everybody else in the league, and that is his reason for success.
Third, there's no reason to believe our stars aren't hard working and prepared as well.

He was drafted 199th overall and became the greatest QB of all time. That’s putting in work…

 

[Dekes For Days]

Marner, barely changes. Clearly does not lift weights in the off season.

That's a completely baseless statement. In fact, there were multiple articles that outlined Marner's intense workouts last offseason. You don't become one of the best players in the world by not working hard.

 

[Stonehands1990]

That's a completely baseless statement. In fact, there were multiple articles that outlined Marner's intense workouts last offseason. You don't become one of the best players in the world by not working hard.

Yeah I read the Athletic article that outlined his workout routine. I train harder than that and I do it as a hobby. It was a joke of a routine to anyone who takes fitness seriously. There’s a reason Marner is weak and can’t play heavy

 

[deprw]

That’s a losers excuse. You make your own luck. The hardest working, most prepared team always manages to be the luckiest. At every level of hockey the teams that go far in the playoffs regardless of talent usually work the hardest

This is bullshit if you watch any sport. Luck and chance has it's own part in life and in sports. Off course you can improve your luck by working hard and in seven games series it's smaller than in 5 games or 1 game series. Still when this matches come to point where one event or bounce makes the difference there is always luck involved.

I still wouldn't use it as excuse for us, but that Tavares injury was one event of terrible luck. You think that Tavares didn't work hard enough to prevent that or was it bad luck. Luck is part of the sports and it what makes it more exciting.

 

[Stonehands1990]

This is bullshit if you watch any sport. Luck and chance has it's own part in life and in sports. Off course you can improve your luck by working hard and in seven games series it's smaller than in 5 games or 1 game series. Still when this matches come to point where one event or bounce makes the difference there is always luck involved.

I still wouldn't use it as excuse for us, but that Tavares injury was one event of terrible luck. You think that Tavares didn't work hard enough to prevent that or was it bad luck. Luck is part of the sports and it what makes it more exciting.

Correction. Instead of “always” they get lucky more often than not.

 

[Stonehands1990]

There was much more than just the Athletic article, and I guarantee that you do not train harder than Marner. Your comments on his training are completely baseless. Everybody with actual knowledge on the matter speaks highly of his training and preperation.

This pic was taken obviously recently. You’re gonna tell me this guy has touched a weight?

 

[justloveleafs]

Rielly is into the gym. Well, it hasn't done much for his shot.

I saw a pic of Marner recently, think it was somewhere here. No shirt. Seemed not only skinny, but soft, chubby skinny.

In prior years, he was lean for sure, but hard.

Guess he is not having a Babcock NHL summer.

BTW, I think I was one of the first here, to start loving Hyman, mighta been the first.

But he looked slower and kinda wounded in the playoffs.

Seven years for a 29 year old with two major knee surgeries.

I probably, albeit reluctantly, would have let him go, as well. With a flat cap.

 

[Sypher04]

Rielly is into the gym. Well, it hasn't done much for his shot.

I saw a pic of Marner recently, think it was somewhere here. No shirt. Seemed not only skinny, but soft, chubby skinny.

In prior years, he was lean for sure, but hard.

Guess he is not having a Babcock NHL summer.

BTW, I think I was one of the first here, to start loving Hyman, mighta been the first.

But he looked slower and kinda wounded in the playoffs.

Seven years for a 29 year old with two major knee surgeries.

I probably, albeit reluctantly, would have let him go, as well. With a flat cap.

Rielly actually has a good wristshot. He just doesn't use a slapshot.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You’re gonna tell me this guy has touched a weight?

Yes, he quite obviously has, though there's more to hockey training and preparation than just lifting weights to get swole biceps, especially for a smaller player that utilizes speed and agility as important parts of his arsenal. He has worked his way up to become one of the best players in the world - which does not happen by slacking off. We have countless articles documenting his intense training. He has multiple professionals monitoring what he is doing, and we have everybody with actual knowledge on the subject praising his training, and talking about how hard he works and prepares - statements you take as absolute fact when made about other athletes you like, who have pictures just like this one.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Yes, he quite obviously has, though there's more to hockey training and preparation than just lifting weights to get swole biceps, especially for a smaller player that utilizes speed and agility as important parts of his arsenal. He has worked his way up to become one of the best players in the world - which does not happen by slacking off. We have countless articles documenting his intense training. He has multiple professionals monitoring what he is doing, and we have everybody with actual knowledge on the subject praising his training, and talking about how hard he works and prepares - statements you take as absolute fact when made about other athletes you like, who have pictures just like this one.

[MOD].

He’s not fast. He’s not explosive. He’s shot is weak. You think just because there’s articles outlining his training means he trains at peak performance. By mentioning “swole biceps” you undermined your entire argument. Marner’s program allegedly contains Olympic lifts and the arm is 2/3 triceps. If he was strength training using these types of lifts you’d see some arm development period. Anyhow I’m off to the gym. Make sure you get your lift in today as well, I hope to be the accomplished gym rat you’re trying to sound like on this thread

Just look at Nylander if you want to see what someone who lifts a weight looks like. Not that coat rack Marner

Without a franchise C Marner is a 70 point player, we can drop “best player in the world” homer nonsense

 

[Racer88]

That’s a losers excuse. You make your own luck. The hardest working, most prepared team always manages to be the luckiest. At every level of hockey the teams that go far in the playoffs regardless of talent usually work the hardest

Ya the Lightning must be the luckiest guys out there winning 2 cups in a row and our Leafs are super unlucky losing 5 first round series in a row

 

[Stonehands1990]

Ya the Lightning must be the luckiest guys out there winning 2 cups in a row and our Leafs are super unlucky losing 5 first round series in a row

The vast majority of Tampa’s roster hits and hounds the puck but here on a Leafs board I have to hear people crying about luck lol

 

[Stonehands1990]

Ya the Lightning must be the luckiest guys out there winning 2 cups in a row and our Leafs are super unlucky losing 5 first round series in a row

Chicago, LA, Pittsburgh and Tampa all multiple cup winners the last few years. Apparently thanks to luck. Who knew