Leafs need to make a trade.

[TMLAM34]

leafs need to move at TDL for a 3C, thats it

bring back every leafs and remove
Tkachuk, Bennet, rodrigues, luostarinen, boqvist, samoskevich and watch the result for fun...

We don’t really NEED to, when healthy I would run

Knies - Matthews - Nylander
Pacioretty - Tavares - Marner
McMann - Domi - Grebenkin
Lorentz - Kampf - Holmberg/Reaves

But if we were to add a 3C, Dickinson would be my target.

 

[thusk]

We don’t really NEED to, when healthy I would run

Knies - Matthews - Nylander
Pacioretty - Tavares - Marner
McMann - Domi - Grebenkin
Lorentz - Kampf - Holmberg/Reaves

But if we were to add a 3C, Dickinson would be my target.

Domi is not a good option at C, i prefer to get him on wing to reduce his defensive issues...

and pwrsonally i want matthews nylander and marner split on 3 line, so i want a C who can play and bw a good complement to Marner or Nylander...

 

[Budz]

We don’t immediately need to make a trade. There is no real urgency. Make a good trade, not just any trade.

Also, no real need for this thread to be opened imo. It would be like me starting a new thread. “Leafs need to sign Mitch Marner now”.

 

[Thornbury]

When was the last time this team made a trade of significance?

They're too safe in their loser mentality of just making the playoffs. Treliving will continue tinkering around the edges as a result. So long as Shanahan remains in charge that's all Treliving will be allowed to do anyway.

Anybody hoping one of the core four or Rielly is moved are dreaming.

There's not gonna be a trade. Not one that will significantly improve this team's chances at winning a cup. History has a tendency to repeat itself and the best indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour.

So there's no reason to believe they'll do anything other than ride and die with what they've got.

It's what they've done every other year. Why would anything be different this season. A few injuries to mostly insignificant players doesn't change anything.

Keep winning in November every year is all that matters.

Good point, injuries to insignificant guys like, um, Matthews.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Good point, injuries to insignificant guys like, um, Matthews.

That's why I said the injuries were confined to MOSTLY insignificant players.

Sorry for any confusion. But to be honest I'm not sure how to make that sentence any clearer. I'll assume it's poor grammar on my part that obfuscated what should have been a clear point.

Couldn't possibly be you deliberately twisting what I said.

 

[ITM]

I think a more apt focus might be:

The Leafs need to make a trade with teams that are floundering in order to amplify the very positive developments made so far.

Lots to be had out there if we're smart about it.

Like what's Brian Dumolin doing in Anaheim? Get him and a retained salary over here for a prospect here and there.

See what San Jose wants for Jake Walman. See if ROR wants to play for his Cup winning coach again. Talk about the perfect fit.

But what we don't want to do is make a move to make a move because our injuries have piled as high as our place in the standings.

I think Mathieu Olivier is another popular name around here. Moving Reaves out and Olivier in feels like a need.

 

[Stephen]

I don’t think you need to make a trade to address 7 guys out with injury because they’ll get healthy at some point and come back…

But the collection of the 18-20 forwards we do have that are NHL capable will need to be curated and designed better so we can compete and beat teams like Florida when it matters.

For me, I don’t think I want to go into the playoffs with Holmberg, Robertson in the program. Reaves is whatever and probably useless. Dewar isn’t all that impressive. Jarnkrok isn’t the most inspiring. Kampf can play a role but I’m open to someone else playing it. Pacioretty needs to stay healthy. So there’s at least 5 guys there that could disappear and be replaced.

 

[Maple Leaf]

I don’t think you need to make a trade to address 7 guys out with injury because they’ll get healthy at some point and come back…

But the collection of the 18-20 forwards we do have that are NHL capable will need to be curated and designed better so we can compete and beat teams like Florida when it matters.

For me, I don’t think I want to go into the playoffs with Holmberg, Robertson in the program. Reaves is whatever and probably useless. Dewar isn’t all that impressive. Jarnkrok isn’t the most inspiring. Kampf can play a role but I’m open to someone else playing it. Pacioretty needs to stay healthy. So there’s at least 5 guys there that could disappear and be replaced.

everyone is replacable even the man with the C

 

[Menzinger]

I don’t think you need to make a trade to address 7 guys out with injury because they’ll get healthy at some point and come back…

But the collection of the 18-20 forwards we do have that are NHL capable will need to be curated and designed better so we can compete and beat teams like Florida when it matters.

For me, I don’t think I want to go into the playoffs with Holmberg, Robertson in the program. Reaves is whatever and probably useless. Dewar isn’t all that impressive. Jarnkrok isn’t the most inspiring. Kampf can play a role but I’m open to someone else playing it. Pacioretty needs to stay healthy. So there’s at least 5 guys there that could disappear and be replaced.

The Leafs need another impact player for the bottom six forwards and that's almost certainly going to need to come from a trade. Guys like Robertson are essentially just place holding until that happens and likely one of Jarnkrok or Kampf (both?) will need to go for cap

Reaves is going to finish his contract here one way or the other. I don't see him getting waived until he's undeniably done as a player

 

[darrylsittler27]

Correction. The Leafs need to see how Minten does first and must not panic and overpay. No one will give us what shouldn't be that expensive because it's Toronto. We are winning and trying out the young guys. What do you expect to pay for a 3C ? Minten may be the solution and we need more picks not less. I'm prepared to wait till close to TD as some teams realize they aren't making it this year. We really don't have much to offer.

 

[ACC1224]

Correction. The Leafs need to see how Minten does first and must not panic and overpay. No one will give us what shouldn't be that expensive because it's Toronto. We are winning and trying out the young guys. What do you expect to pay for a 3C ? Minten may be the solution and we need more picks not less. I'm prepared to wait till close to TD as some teams realize they aren't making it this year. We really don't have much to offer.

Agreed, no real urgency at the moment.

I'd like to see by the deadline, Minten anchor the 4th line. Find someone to take Kampf and bring in a 2nd/3rd line C upgrade.

Knies Matthews Domi
Max Pac xxxx Nylander
McMann Tavares Marner
Dewar Minten Lorenz

 

[notbias]

Agreed, no real urgency at the moment.

I'd like to see by the deadline, Minten anchor the 4th line. Find someone to take Kampf and bring in a 2nd/3rd line C upgrade.

Knies Matthews Domi
Max Pac xxxx Nylander
McMann Tavares Marner
Dewar Minten Lorenz

How do you upgrade on Tavares at the deadline? I don't think anyone better is available.

I'd give Minten a longer look at 3C between Nylander and someone responsible (McMann maybe).

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Pacioretty - Tavares - Marner
McMann - Minten - Nylander
Dewar - Kampf - Holmberg

Rielly - X
McCabe - Tanev
OEL - Timmins

They are still searching for a partner for Rielly since I don't think they should break up McCabe-Tanev and him and OEL have not been good.

 

[ACC1224]

How do you upgrade on Tavares at the deadline? I don't think anyone better is available.

I'd give Minten a longer look at 3C between Nylander and someone responsible (McMann maybe).

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Pacioretty - Tavares - Marner
McMann - Minten - Nylander
Dewar - Kampf - Holmberg

Rielly - X
McCabe - Tanev
OEL - Timmins

They are still searching for a partner for Rielly since I don't think they should break up McCabe-Tanev and him and OEL have not been good.

Not upgrading Tavares, upgrading Kampf. I see it more as two second lines.

 

[notbias]

Not upgrading Tavares, upgrading Kampf. I see it more as two second lines.

I honestly think we'd have two 1st lines and a 2nd if we use Minten as 3C and put Nylander on his wing.

It gives us a good balance of defensive play on each line while giving us some depth scoring.

I think, unfortunately, we may need a partner for Rielly again at the deadline.

Any two of Dewar/Lorentz/Holmberg/Jarnkrok and Kampf gives us a fairly solid 4th line that can be trusted defensively, I'd like to keep him around.

 

[Fogelhund]

How do you upgrade on Tavares at the deadline? I don't think anyone better is available.

I'd give Minten a longer look at 3C between Nylander and someone responsible (McMann maybe).

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Pacioretty - Tavares - Marner
McMann - Minten - Nylander
Dewar - Kampf - Holmberg

Rielly - X
McCabe - Tanev
OEL - Timmins

They are still searching for a partner for Rielly since I don't think they should break up McCabe-Tanev and him and OEL have not been good.

Where did Lorentz go? He's easily our best fourth liner.

The fourth line should be Lorentz - Kampf - Dewar at this point. I'd love it to be Lorentz - McBain - Olivier though... but that's not going to happen.

 

[Puckstuff]

Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Knies, Domi, McMann are clearly locks for 7 of the top 9 forward spots.

The question is, is Minten and Robertson good enough for the 8th and 9th forward spots in the top 9? They are going to get some run here to see if they can. Pacioretty can snag one of those spots as well.

The 4th line will be good no matter what with a combination of Lorentz, Kampf, Grebenkin etc. Also have Holmberg and Jarnkrok. And if you trade for a 3C you have Minten as a 4 c option as well.

Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Robertson - Minten - Nylander
Lorentz - Kampf - Grebenkin

 

[Puckstuff]

Where did Lorentz go? He's easily our best fourth liner.

The fourth line should be Lorentz - Kampf - Dewar at this point. I'd love it to be Lorentz - McBain - Olivier though... but that's not going to happen.

I'm a huge fan of Grebenkin. I think he's a really good fit for the 4th line with his size and he brings more energy and sandpaper than Dewar imo, but unlike Reaves he isn't costing you on the defensive side either. Lorentz-Kampf-Grebenkin is my ideal 4th line.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Agreed, no real urgency at the moment.

I'd like to see by the deadline, Minten anchor the 4th line. Find someone to take Kampf and bring in a 2nd/3rd line C upgrade.

Knies Matthews Domi
Max Pac xxxx Nylander
McMann Tavares Marner

Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Knies, Domi, McMann are clearly locks for 7 of the top 9 forward spots.

The question is, is Minten and Robertson good enough for the 8th and 9th forward spots in the top 9? They are going to get some run here to see if they can. Pacioretty can snag one of those spots as well.

The 4th line will be good no matter what with a combination of Lorentz, Kampf, Grebenkin etc. Also have Holmberg and Jarnkrok. And if you trade for a 3C you have Minten as a 4 c option as well.

Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Robertson - Minten - Nylander
Lorentz - Kampf - Grebenkin

Dewar Minten Lorenz

I think we need a top 9 F with some jam for the East.

 

[ACC1224]

I think we need a top 9 F with some jam for the East.

To play Center?

 

[darrylsittler27]

To play Center?

Sure. But as an example why you don't rush trades. Lily has 3 goals since joining the Sharks. All we got was a 3rd, a 6th and a guy who cleared waivers. Another bad , rushed trade. Oh and by the way our defense is old so I expect a quick decay next season .

 

[ACC1224]

Sure. But as an example why you don't rush trades. Lily has 3 goals since joining the Sharks. All we got was a 3rd, a 6th and a guy who cleared waivers. Another bad , rushed trade. Oh and by the way our defense is old so I expect a quick decay next season .

He wasn't going to play here, can't see his value would have increased.

 

[Puckstuff]

Agreed, no real urgency at the moment.

I'd like to see by the deadline, Minten anchor the 4th line. Find someone to take Kampf and bring in a 2nd/3rd line C upgrade.

Knies Matthews Domi
Max Pac xxxx Nylander
McMann Tavares Marner
Dewar Minten Lorenz

I think they need to dump Jarnkrok as well.

The fact is Grebenkin provides more muscle, grit, heart, passion and toughness. Jarnkrok is a cancer in the Leafs top 9 imo. He is soft, doesn't have the size to stick up for his teammates and it rubs off on other players. Other players have caught up to him. Minten/Holmberg can replace Kampf quite easily imo but Patches/Robertson/Grebs replace Jarnkrok as well.

 

[Fogelhund]

I'm a huge fan of Grebenkin. I think he's a really good fit for the 4th line with his size and he brings more energy and sandpaper than Dewar imo, but unlike Reaves he isn't costing you on the defensive side either. Lorentz-Kampf-Grebenkin is my ideal 4th line.

Love the kid too... There is a lot to love about his game, but he just doesn't seem NHL ready offensively. I don't see any harm in him getting more AHL games, and getting his offensive game going. Maybe he gets another shot later in the year, and can bring a little more than he has so far.

 

[notbias]

Where did Lorentz go? He's easily our best fourth liner.

Dewar has been better defensively, and he easily has not.

The fourth line should be Lorentz - Kampf - Dewar at this point. I'd love it to be Lorentz - McBain - Olivier though... but that's not going to happen.

Lorentz had a couple of good games and now is being propped up as better than he is because of it, he is a good 4th liner, nothing more.

Kampf > Lorentz, we can argue the rest.

Holmberg I'd like to see in a reduced role, but he is better than Lorentz too.

 

[ACC1224]

I think they need to dump Jarnkrok as well.

The fact is Grebenkin provides more muscle, grit, heart, passion and toughness. Jarnkrok is a cancer in the Leafs top 9 imo. He is soft, doesn't have the size to stick up for his teammates and it rubs off on other players. Other players have caught up to him. Minten/Holmberg can replace Kampf quite easily imo but Patches/Robertson/Grebs replace Jarnkrok as well.

Forgot he existed, agreed he can go too although he may not play all year anyway.