Leafs need to address the goaltending.

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Some of you people need to take a chill pill and not lose your minds every time Sammy lets in a bad goal. He's had a rough season but he's been pretty good as of late.

The team in front of him needs to be so much better. Remember, this is the same group that played a solid 60 minutes just 2 days ago, what's their excuse for forgetting how they're supposed to play?

He's been shit all year except for what? 2 games?

Saturday against Nashville

And a 3-2 shootout loss to Boston.

That legitimately might be it.

He's been awful and his numbers prove it.
 
He's been shit all year except for what? 2 games?

Saturday against Nashville

And a 3-2 shootout loss to Boston.

That legitimately might be it.

He's been awful and his numbers prove it.
He has lost one game in regulation all season. Gotten points every game except that one.

hasn’t been great but is getting points.
 
Reality is where I live, drop by any time.

But you don't because you refuse to acknowledge goaltending is an issue despite it being proven again tonight.

One off games like the one on Saturday don't prove me wrong, in fact they prove me right because they are exactly that, one offs.

Reality is where I live, drop by any time.

But you don't because you refuse to acknowledge goaltending is an issue despite it being proven again tonight.

One off games like the one on Saturday don't prove me wrong, in fact they prove me right because they are exactly that, one offs.
 
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He has lost one game in regulation all season. Gotten points every game except that one.

hasn’t been great but is getting points.
Which makes him the poster boy for the team this season.

But you don't because you refuse to acknowledge goaltending is an issue despite it being proven again tonight.

One off games like the one on Saturday don't prove me wrong, in fact they prove me right because they are exactly that, one offs.
I never said goaltending isn't "an issue", seems like you're pretty far removed from reality and when say "He's been shit all year ", you're not being rational.

Like I said, I suggest you take a chill pill.
 
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They probably should have traded him. I'm sure he knows as well as anybody else that Woll is their guy and he pretty clearly lives in his head. It's too bad because even as a really good backup here on a one year deal he could still cash in next year somewhere else.
 
Here is what I (as well as most people) would consider the top 10 goalies in the NHL currently. And where they were drafted.

1. Vasilevskiy (1st)
2. Shesterkin (4th)
3. Sorokin (3rd)
4. Hellebuyck (5th)
5. Saros (4th)
6. Oettinger (1st)
7. Ullmark (6th)
8. Swayman (4th)
9. Demko (2nd)
10. Markstrom (2nd)

Then you have a bunch of average starters like Kuemper, Jarry, Andersen, Georgiev, Thompson, Hart etc, etc, who were drafted anywhere from the 2nd round to being undrafted. Looks to me like you are just as likely to land an NHL goalie or even an elite starter in the late rounds as you are the early rounds.

Bernier, Campbell and Samsonov were all drafted in the 1st rounds. It's not always worth taking goalies high. Those guys aren't any better than guys in the league who were drafted in the 5th round.
Your list reads like it’s meant to justify my post.

Eight of the goalies in your list were selected between the 1st and 4th round.

And that’s my point: If we prioritize quality goaltending prospects between the 1st and 4th (the occasional 5th) rounds, we’re far more likely to mine talent. Few selections are guaranteed success.

Contrast your list with our drafting history since 2006. It’s shocking how little our club prioritized drafting and developing goaltenders.
 
While a veteran goaltender to pair with Woll would be ideal, watching Woll last week put up a elite level performance and the Leafs barley scraping by due to shitty defence, id look to the defence before goaltending.
 
From my post in the PGT.

"Looking at the post game video, I'd say Sammy was at fault on the first, not a good look. The 2nd, no chance, lost coverage in front of the net and it's roofed. The 3rd, which seems to stick in many's craw, I don't fault him. The puck was iced and then the sequence of Lagesson losing his man between the center line and our blue line, Samsonov letting it slide through as he should for the icing, but Timmins dogging it from outside the blueline allowing (on 2nd and 3rd viewing it may have been Nylander dogging it with Timmins coming in late from the far side) regardless, both Timmins and Lagesson end up deep off the left post doing nothing to help, while Matthews doesn't corral the puck behind his net where it ends up on Nelson's stick and Matthews makes a fly by up the right post, then positioning himself for a perfect screen on Sammy. If you want to see a pic of 5 guys watching the puck, check out the view from behind the net's cam and you'll see 5 guys doing sfa. NYI have 2 point shot options, Palmieri in the slot with the puck and Engvall alone at the right post. The OT winner was a good shot by Horvat."

I admit Sammy hasn't been a gem this year, but I'd also suggest the defensive awareness and structure that he (and Woll) have been playing behind contributes a great deal to the perception many have. For the record, I don't think it's coaching, I think it's the players we have and the year they are having. The last few years we've had much better save % and GAA. This year we've seen a good number of injuries on the D + a less than stellar contribution for our F group allowing some prime scoring opportunities. Somewhat understandable because we have a new addition on our 1st line who is learning the game (Knies), Bertuzzi who has played better hockey but is no defensive wiz playing with Tavares and Nylander or Marner who, a) Nylander is not known for his defensive prowess, and b) Marner has been off. Our 3rd line has essentially a rookie (Robertson) paired with Domi (not a dzone great) and Jarnkrok who is being tasked as the conscience of the line. Gregor has been fine on the 4th, Kamph is rounding into form, but Reaves...a black hole so far. We have 6 out of 12 F on the team who are new, playing with a D corps that's being held together with duct tape. It'll take time to see what we have.

I'd love to have a stud goalie, but I'm not ready to throw our tandem under the bus given what has transpired in front of them.
 
Reality is where I live, drop by any time.
Not when it comes to Sammy you’re not.

I love most of your takes, but no offense. When it comes to Sammy, you’re bordering on @Evilhomer level of homerism.

Come on man. Other then the Nashville game, He's been absolutely dogshit this year.
 
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He's been shit all year except for what? 2 games?

Saturday against Nashville

And a 3-2 shootout loss to Boston.

That legitimately might be it.

He's been awful and his numbers prove it.
I don't even think that he was that good in that Boston game.
 
Your list reads like it’s meant to justify my post.

Eight of the goalies in your list were selected between the 1st and 4th round.

And that’s my point: If we prioritize quality goaltending prospects between the 1st and 4th (the occasional 5th) rounds, we’re far more likely to mine talent. Few selections are guaranteed success.

Contrast your list with our drafting history since 2006. It’s shocking how little our club prioritized drafting and developing goaltenders.
Woll (3rd)
Scott (4th)
Ahktyamov (4th)
Hildeby (4th)
Peksa (6th)
Bouthillier (7th)

That's 4/6 that were/are in our pipeline the last few years taken in the first half of the draft. Other than Bouthillier, they've all been very good post draft.
 
While a veteran goaltender to pair with Woll would be ideal, watching Woll last week put up a elite level performance and the Leafs barley scraping by due to shitty defence, id look to the defence before goaltending.
Yes yes yes
Everybody always blames the goaltender.

Defense defense defense next summer

Woll is our starter next yr
Sign a quality backup
 
Not when it comes to Sammy you’re not.

I love most of your takes, but no offense. When it comes to Sammy, you’re bordering on @Evilhomer level of homerism.

Come on man. Other then the Nashville game, He's been absolutely dogshit this year.
He's been bad but I'll just copy/paste this from an earlier post.

In his last six starts he has a save % of .935 and 1.90 GAA.

That's not bad, it's actually quite good. Like I said, he's had a bad year so far but it hasn't been all bad and it's not just the Nashville game where he was good.

I think it's fair to say he hasn't been good overall, no disputing that whatsoever but saying he's been dogshit all year is a bit much. The way I see it, we're hoping Woll's our guy and if he's up to the task, all we need Sammy to be is a decent backup and those last six starts suggests that it would be foolish to assume that he's not capable of doing that.

This team has much bigger problems, I guess that's where I'm coming from.
 
Which makes him the poster boy for the team this season.


I never said goaltending isn't "an issue", seems like you're pretty far removed from reality and when say "He's been shit all year ", you're not being rational.

Like I said, I suggest you take a chill pill.
Yes yes yes
Everybody always blames the goaltender.

Defense defense defense next summer

Woll is our starter next yr
Sign a quality backup

There is no way I would just hand the #1 job to Woll because he's not going to play enough this year to prove he deserves it.

Woll has to earn the #1 job, he can't do that if he's out until February or March which is likely with his current injury.
 
I will never understand why people obsess over what happened in 2016, and create a whole thought line based on... but we didn't draft Carter Hart. Then again, given his career track record so far, he would have been run out of town a long time ago. Who cares about the last 20 years... unless you want to live in the past.

I live in the now, and for this team in the now.... and we have pretty good strength in goalie prospects. Sure... we should probably draft another goalie nearly every year... or 6 in the next 8 anyway... But that too, that's looking forward, not what we did 17 years ago...
If one ignores history, history will repeat itself……..
 
I think we’ll all feel better once we accept that Samsonov is a backup goalie and will never be a no. 1 goalie. He doesn’t have the mental makeup or technical skill to be anything else. Last night the defence was awful led the defensively clueless Timmins and he didn’t bail them out like a stud would.
 

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