Post-Game Talk: Leafs Lose to Bruins 4-1

[Arzak]

I take issue with Tavares being represented here, tbh. Say what you will about his play on the ice, which admittedly hasn't been good this year, but the guy took less money to come and play here. Of the four, he's the only one who didn't milk the team for every possible cent at every possible opportunity.

Stop this tired old crap.

JT killed our Cup window before it even started and no SJ offer makes his contract reasonable. SJ was willing to overpay more, he took no discount.

Not to mention if you ever heard of money, you know about inflation so you know 1$ now is not the same as 1$ next year, not even considering investment or tax optimization. Or considering the living cost/relocation of being in SJ instead of home town? Loss of advertisement revenues from being in SJ?

Oh and he gets to play in his home town.

He got top 5 salary being top 20 player at best. Discount my ass.


If you think he would have more money now accepting SJ offer back then, I have a bridge to sell. Feel free to PM me

 

[Leaf Fans]

Be careful. You might strain your elbow waiving those pom poms around.

They might, but it is an easier recovery than those who get struck by lightning carrying those storm clouds.

 

[TonsofPuppies]

Stop this tired old crap.

JT killed our Cup window before it even started and no SJ offer makes his contract reasonable. SJ was willing to overpay more, he took no discount.

Not to mention if you ever heard of money, you know about inflation so you know 1$ now is not the same as 1$ next year, not even considering investment or tax optimization. Or considering the living cost/relocation of being in SJ instead of home town? Loss of advertisement revenues from being in SJ?

Oh and he gets to play in his home town.

He got top 5 salary being top 20 player at best. Discount my ass.


If you think he would have more money now accepting SJ offer back then, I have a bridge to sell. Feel free to PM me

Were you expecting him to sign here for $7M? Lol. I never said his contract was good, or reasonable, but reading comprehension isn't a strong suit of many around here, I'm learning. I merely stated that unlike the other members of the Core Fore, he did not chase the absolute highest dollar value and took less money than was offered elsewhere to come to Toronto. This is an objective fact, no matter how much hand waving you do. Even if you disregard the SJ offer, NYI was still going to give him 11 x 8, which means more money there as well, because he certainly isn't going to get another season @ 11M after this contract ends.

 

[horner]

Nylander at the blueline playing with the puck losses it and Boston scores .
This is why we don't win in the playoffs .
They will never learn to make the safe play.

 

[leafs in five]

We don't have the cap room for guys who can chip in offensively, don't wilt in the playoffs, and are fairly sound defensively though. That's the whole issue.

I wanted Duclair more than most fans I believe. I think he would have been a really good fit on the Matthews line, pushing Knies down the order.

But we also needed defense. Liljegren, Brodie, Giordano and Timmins are going to get absolutely bullied in the playoffs. We had to add some meat back there.

We also need a 2nd line centre, but again don't have the cap space.

We are paying Tavares and Brodie 16mil. 16. That's an absolute killer.

Our previous management team let so much of the surrounding cast go and not replace them. We were a shell of a team. Basically the core 4, Rielly, McCabe and Liljegren. That was about it.

How do you get this team to the point of finally being a legit contender, with 68% of the cap in those players (plus Brodie). All the while having the absolute bare minimum to trade with another team for help?

been told all year that you can't buy anything good in FA with cap space anyway

 

[Arzak]

Were you expecting him to sign here for $7M? Lol. I never said his contract was good, or reasonable, but reading comprehension isn't a strong suit of many around here, I'm learning. I merely stated that unlike the other members of the Core Fore, he did not chase the absolute highest dollar value and took less money than was offered elsewhere to come to Toronto. This is an objective fact, no matter how much hand waving you do. Even if you disregard the SJ offer, NYI was still going to give him 11 x 8, which means more money there as well, because he certainly isn't going to get another season @ 11M after this contract ends.

You are right, he was never going to sign 2C money. Part of the frustration is the signing itself.

I mostly agree, but the signing bonus-heavy contract he signed here is more than equal SJ and NYI offer. That's not considering endorsement opportunities or the fact that he wanted a chance to win the Cup here ( note the desire started after we drafted Matthews, not before).

The contract he signed here is as good as SJ or NYI option. He took no discount.

He was in a position to command his paycheck, unlike RFA Marner. I don't blame him for cashing in, but he did us no favours.

The bolded part is just you having no argument.

Yes in a world where inflation is not a thing, where signing bonuses or tax optimization are not a thing, where living in your hometown being paid for doing commercials is not a thing. In that world, you can only compare AAV and say he did not chase to dollar.

In this world he did the math, chased top dollar here.

 

[leafs in five]

Sure, but the implication of the photo is that the core 4 are motivated purely by money

that is not a photo

 

[rumman]

resume of this game in 2 word

William Nylander... he was the game changer but not posutively

completly stupid risky soft play at the blue line, breakway and cost game winning goal.

3rd goal, he completly stop playing... HOW YOU CAN PLAY THAT WAY in a gane like that so important... it was the same exact nylander who had been on the ice for 56 % of tampa even strenght.

unstead of being 1-1, itd was 3-1 with basically a game over, story of the night

after boston 3rd goal, he should sit on the bench for the rest of the game... Leafs will never win anything until player still playing that way!!! its simple you cant win like that, just impossible

Who else is looking forward to eight more years of idiotic plays from Styles……….

 

[rumman]

Bert should give Matthews some of those uppercuts at practice tomorrow.

Apparently Bert can box……..

 

[rumman]

If we get bounced in first round this summer should be interesting. 2 of the 4 core players need to go at minimum
Get rid of Kampf for a 4C that's actually physical at least.

What they should do is start a rebuild that’s so bad every entitled diva with a NTC BEGS to be traded, all the acquisitions in the world won’t make up for the fact that these players could care less about winning, are gutless, and play only for the money……..

4 of the biggest losers in the NHL……..and we are locking them all up to massive contracts. We are the laughing stick of the

 

[rumman]

Poor Edmundson watching that debacle from the box, probably thinking he had a better shot at winning the cup this year in Washington.

It’s no fun being a supporting cast bit player for the Leafs when half the cap mails it in on a regular basis……

No es bueno. The thing about being tough and gritty is that it only works if the other team is not. I don't think anyone on Boston is afraid of being pushed around by Tyler Bertuzzi.

Also, I don't think Liljegren plays a playoff game for this team.

Again, how many points have the Leafs gained on the Bruins this week Nostradamus………

 

[rumman]

I think we learnt some good stuff tonight, legitimately.

The support caat did their job. They didn't back down. They stayed aggressive and stayed in the game. That bodes well.

Looks like it is Sammy's net even though the organization looks to be wanting Woll to win the job. We got outgoalied in both games.

Edmundson needs to come in for Liljegren in the playoffs because the Bruins will target him all series and he won't stand up for himself, leading others to not only have to worry about their own game, but his too.

We need to pick up a pking forward tomorrow and remove Nylander from the PK.

We really, really, really need to sit the core 4 down in a room with Sheldon and Brad and have a conversation. We need to find out what it is that they want. What are you wanting to achieve here? What does that look like in their eyes? What do they feel the have to do in order to achieve that?

We won't go anywhere the way the four of the played in the last two games against Boston. There needs to be a clear the air talk with them. Their play is simply unacceptable given what they wanted (and what we gave them) to be paid.

If we can sort this out, we will beat the Bruins in the playoffs, I am sure of it.

Excellent summation, but I’d caution about asking the divas what they want, you know it’s more money………

I think we learnt some good stuff tonight, legitimately.

The support caat did their job. They didn't back down. They stayed aggressive and stayed in the game. That bodes well.

Looks like it is Sammy's net even though the organization looks to be wanting Woll to win the job. We got outgoalied in both games.

Edmundson needs to come in for Liljegren in the playoffs because the Bruins will target him all series and he won't stand up for himself, leading others to not only have to worry about their own game, but his too.

We need to pick up a pking forward tomorrow and remove Nylander from the PK.

We really, really, really need to sit the core 4 down in a room with Sheldon and Brad and have a conversation. We need to find out what it is that they want. What are you wanting to achieve here? What does that look like in their eyes? What do they feel the have to do in order to achieve that?

We won't go anywhere the way the four of the played in the last two games against Boston. There needs to be a clear the air talk with them. Their play is simply unacceptable given what they wanted (and what we gave them) to be paid.

If we can sort this out, we will beat the Bruins in the playoffs, I am sure of it.

Oh, and this might be the best post of the year imo…….

You need to add Rielly to this image………

 

[rumman]

I take issue with Tavares being represented here, tbh. Say what you will about his play on the ice, which admittedly hasn't been good this year, but the guy took less money to come and play here. Of the four, he's the only one who didn't milk the team for every possible cent at every possible opportunity.

JT’s been a good soldier, but at the money he makes he doesn’t get a hall pass, he’s more likeable than the others, but not enough to matter…….

It would surely get him fired.

Shanahan would never allow his little divas to be exposed to such mean actions……..

I'll keep telling myself that the regular season isn't the playoffs.

So, another glass of Kool-Ade………

 

[rumman]

As much as this game sucked we can't forget it was the second game of a back to back, 3rd game in 4 nights and apparently players are sick too.

It’s funny how the plugs on the team can battle through sickness, but the divas can’t, now that is odd…….

 

[rumman]

I can’t believe Domi and Bertuzzi fought but Reaves couldn’t even truck a guy and cause a melee.

Reeve’s indifference is beyond annoying, he could help if he only did what got him into the league in the first place, but I might be being too harsh, perhaps he’s still having nightmares about his fight with Rempe……….

 

[rumman]

Adding shitty slow D

But we have no depth scoring

NO DEPTH SCORING

Maybe they’re following the core’s example about not scoring, your worrying about the kitchen faucet dripping while the basement is flooding………

Definitely motorboat material……..

 

[rumman]

We also can’t built a supporting cast of 15 guys who can do all of Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly and Tavares jobs for them in all the situations where they’re going to no show.

Amen……..

The sky is falling crowd never disappoints after a loss.
Missing some key players. Back to back nights. The night before the trade deadline. Not much to read into or be concerned about.

So your the one to talk to for a hall pass………

 

[rumman]

I mean Matthews, Marner, Nylander are all producing tremendously

I think people are under the assumption that these guys should carry every game. That just doesn’t work for good teams. The stars can’t do it all by themselves. The team around them is just too mediocre.

If they weren’t so greedy they’d have a better team around them, cause and effect……..

Edmunston to the Caps... 'Please take me back'

Edmunston…….”Rut Roh……….”

 

[BrannigansLaw]

These losses showed we aren’t worth spending a single asset to load up.

Absolutely pathetic team and franchise. I’m embarrassed but I bet the core isn’t. They talk about learning more lessons in the post game as usual?

 

[rumman]

Dude....this is the NHL. Winning the Cup isn't easy. The margin between winning and losing is razor thin. Injuries, getting the bounces and some breaks. The Leafs are very capable of winning it all this year. Right now I'd rank the east as 1. Florida followed by the Toronto. And Colorado winning it all. But anything can happen.

The sky is falling crowd just comes out after the losses. There are so many positive things to take from this team. First and foremost being the Core 4 that we are blessed to watch on a nightly basis. Matthews is historic. Even the TSN Overdrive crew and Wayne Simmonds were gushing over every aspect of #34's game. They are never out of any game. They win the close games and overtime. They are deadly with the goalie pulled and needing a goal to tie. The power play strikes fear in opponents. They won 5 in a row without the team's best D-man! Our best goalie is still returning from injury and getting back into form and sure tonight wasn't his best night, but overall there's positive signs.

The bottom line is that the Leafs are an elite team with a Core 4 that is envy of the league and they are in an environment thanks to Keefe, Shanny and Tre that they thrive in and they're happy to be here showing their talent for our entertainment all year long.

After every loss the Sky Is Falling crowd rears their head to act like doom is upon us.

Elite team my ass, they’re shinny hockey hot shots surrounded by mediocre at best supporting cast, I truly feel for the plugs who have to play with these divas game in and game out……..

 

[rumman]

It is what it is.

Tired, emotional, likely some of them sick, and some worried about getting traded tmo.

If I was a Leaf being traded wouldn’t be a negative, more like finding a twenty in your suit pocket……

 

[pspot]

Just looking at hurricanes line up . They essentially have 5 d who would be top pair for leafs

 

[hotpaws]

It could be worse , we could be Pens fans .

the good news that mindless heartless slug Tavares only has 1 more season after this

 

[CabanaBoy5]

I’ve come to the realization the core 4 don’t have the heart to win in the playoffs. Give Tre credit, the guys he brought in, Domi and Bertuzzi, showed that heart in spades. But it won’t matter if Matthews and Nylander won’t play in the dirty areas. Matthews in particular showed little desire. Compare his effort with Pasternak.s, it was embarrassing.

 

[rumman]

It could be worse , we could be Pens fans .

the good news that mindless heartless slug Tavares only has 1 more season after this

Losing JT’s cap hit will help, but I’d let Marner walk if he can’t be traded (which he can’t), not because he isn’t a great player, but lose half the core, lose half the team’s problem………