Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose in OT 4-3

[TheBeastCoast]

Within 3 years of lou going to the islanders, they made the semi finals twice.

He has 2x gm of the year out of the last 3.

If you think Lou sucks, you aren't very good at assessing hockey related matters.

Or I just disagree with you. The horror.

 

[Gabriel426]

no idea why Mitch is getting dumped on

Johnny Mumbles - 10pts , -5 , beast
Whiney Mitch - 9pts , 0 , trade the slug

neither are good in front of the camera but i guess people give JT a pass because he sounds like he not right in the head

Difference is JT scored goals when he got the chance while MM tried to deke around the goalie.
Also, the way MM talks to medias.
Personally those two and AM been bad this season. As none of them are pulling their own weight as a 11mil player.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Pitchforks are out for Marner, why is Matthews getting a pass?

Scoring a goal gives you more runway. But he does need to play better.

 

[diceman934]

Marner did make the two bad turnovers that ended in the back of the net

Matthews has been shit too no doubt

People who actually though he was better than 97 and could dominate the western conference playoffs like 97 did last year are a special kind of homer

He's been a top 3-5 player the past 2 years but he's not played like an elite 1C yet so far.

Needs to wake up big time. Both him and Marner do

Marner did turn the puck over but what the hell was Holl doing standing still on the blue line when he is the weak side D man and the puck is at the blue line.

Any Novice D man knows to hinge back and we have a NHL D man who can not figure it out. Holl was as much to blame as Marner on that goal.

 

[Gabriel426]

Marner did turn the puck over but what the hell was Holl doing standing still on the blue line when he is the weak side D man and the puck is at the blue line.

Any Novice D man knows to hinge back and we have a NHL D man who can not figure it out. Holl was as much to blame as Marner on that goal.

No doubt about it and I still don’t understand why Holl is on the team.

 

[Antropovsky]

This is a stretch. He took responsibility and mentioned he needs to be more certain when making plays in his own zone and at the top of the o-zone. He said he fumbled the puck on the second one and that it was his fault. I don't where you think he defended things.

It was a bad night for 16 don't get me wrong, he needs to be better on the puck and choose a different option on that second give away especially.

He said the goalie made big saves
He said Toronto outs

This is a stretch. He took responsibility and mentioned he needs to be more certain when making plays in his own zone and at the top of the o-zone. He said he fumbled the puck on the second one and that it was his fault. I don't where you think he defended things.

It was a bad night for 16 don't get me wrong, he needs to be better on the puck and choose a different option on that second give away especially.

There was a lot to be concerned with in regards to that interview

he said the opposing goalie made some huge saves. big saves had nothing to do with this loss and was irrelevant.

- he said the team sucked last season to start and look what haooened. Which really is irrelevant and a terrible excuse. No leader should use that angle.

- he said their team is gonna ignore the outside noise that is intended to put shambles in the players heads. Later clarified the outside noise is particularly bad in Toronto. What does playing in Toronto have to do with his teams poor start?

- he said he needs to be sure of plays before he makes them, but clarified that those plays he makes all the time. Again sounds like he's partially blaming bad luck? Why does it matter if he makes those plays all the time? He also forgets that his poor plays caused losses to both Montreal and Tampa in game 6/of tthe playoffs.

.... The problem is this isn't the first time the leafs have underachieved. Its been an ongoing thing with this team and particularly Marner has went through long goalless slumps, underachieved in all the playoff series since the year before his big contract and he still is blaming social media, playing in Toronto, hot goalies and hockey gods.

In his letter to fans after his contract he proclaimed he loved playing in Toronto because the fans are passionate and have big expectations and "he wouldn't have it any other way"....

Yet anytime the going gets tough he complains about how passionate the city is about the team.

And I'm tired of hearing about the pressure he puts on himself...does he think that other NHL players don't want success and they are not passionate either? We dont care how hard you are on yourself, in fact its probably not a great trait to have when your a leader of this team.

His temper tantrums and freak outs weren't helpful to his team and are a sign of a guy who can't hack the pressure.... Which would be fine if he wasn't a top 5 paid player in the NHL and a guy walking around with an A on his chest.

Someone needs to give him a script to stick too... When he said shambles the media saw blood. Same thing with the Keefe comment... All the media said Marner just needed to shut up.

 

[BallardEra]

Monday Morning Leafs Report: The pressure on Sheldon Keefe is rising

 

[hotpaws]

Difference is JT scored goals when he got the chance while MM tried to deke around the goalie.
Also, the way MM talks to medias.
Personally those two and AM been bad this season. As none of them are pulling their own weight as a 11mil player.

I agree none of the 3 mentioned have played well but even strength Mitch has 2g 4a while JT has only 2a and has been getting caved in but yet JT has been getting pimped by the media for having a huge start to the season .

The players aren't stupid , they know the team and the media are all owned by the same company and why JT is getting pimped but it doesn't make for a happy dressing room .

 

[TMLAM34]

What do people think of Kral? Made a huge mistake leading to the Matthews penalty but other than that I think he’s played a really good game. With more experience I think he can easily be a good third pairing defenceman with Giordano. Not to mention he’s being thrown on his off side to enter the league.

 

[Craig Button]

The only thing worse than Hockey culture is the Hockey Fan culture.

My god boys. Grow up.

Bigger babies than the 20 year olds on this team

 

[yubbers]

Or I just disagree with you. The horror.

No. You ignoring cold hard facts. There's nothing to disagree with. Lou has had far more success than Dubas in the exact same timeline. It's OK to get things wrong. We clearly did. There's no arguing we didn't.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

No. You ignoring cold hard facts. There's nothing to disagree with. Lou has had far more success than Dubas in the exact same timeline.

No what he did with the Islanders is completely irrelevant to what he did here. Lou signed shitty contracts, made garbage deadline trades that we had to trade our way out of and left before the key guys had to be signed. Dubas has in turn been bad as well...but that doesn't make Lou any better. I really don't care if you think there is nothing to disagree with...I disagree with you lol.

 

[hotpaws]

No. You ignoring cold hard facts. There's nothing to disagree with. Lou has had far more success than Dubas in the exact same timeline.

the funny thing is old man Lou might last longer on the Island than the Duber does here . lol

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I agree none of the 3 mentioned have played well but even strength Mitch has 2g 4a while JT has only 2a and has been getting caved in but yet JT has been getting pimped by the media for having a huge start to the season .

The players aren't stupid , they know the team and the media are all owned by the same company and why JT is getting pimped but it doesn't make for a happy dressing room .

Leafs (coaches and players) know JT can't keep up anymore and this whole summer speed media narrative was completely forced fed .. but it does fool some of those corporate suits and non hockey fans who think everything is decided by points .. kinda like a smoke screen .. bottom line JT gets caved 5on5 by every 2C in league now .. it is time to move him to LW but it is clear to me Leaf brass know there is 3 years left in his AAV and really have no viable plan but take it up *ss for next 3 years or until he goes to LTIR

 

[yubbers]

No what he did with the Islanders is completely irrelevant to what he did here. Lou signed shitty contracts, made garbage deadline trades that we had to trade our way out of and left before the key guys had to be signed. Dubas has in turn been bad as well...but that doesn't make Lou any better. I really don't care if you think there is nothing to disagree with...I disagree with you lol.

LOL. I feel bad for you Dubas homers. You just aren't capable of eating your crow and keep doubling down. At least it's funny.

 

[MagicalRazor]

I seen some comments where people are trying to blame the goaltending, Or say that Dubas didn’t fix the goaltending.

Matt Murry who was a gamble to begin with was deemed to be our starter off the hop . He got hurt he’s out.

Our backup samsonov has stood on his head for us . He’s sitting at a .920% which is A spectacular number and has a 2.35 GAA.

Kallgren is an AHL goalie at best who has a decent stretch last year but he’s third string . I don’t think they deserve any blame

The only leaf forward who has been playing solid for us this season AND in last years playoff’s is Nylander .

Our defence has been absolutely atrocious thus far as well. I won’t blame any one / single player because at the end of the day its a team game and everyones allowed to have an off night but this is getting hard to watch. Sure we are only 4-4-2 but its the types or losses the fact we are struggling to win games and blowing leads . It’s time for a change and I’m ok with a big one

 

[TheBeastCoast]

LOL. I feel bad for you Dubas homers. You just aren't capable of eating your crow and keep doubling down. At least it's funny.

What are you even talking about? I want Dubas fired you clown . Unlike some people around here I can be critical of the current GM without licking the boots of a prehistoric dinosaur....who also did a bad job here.

 

[Mess]

These bottom feeding non playoff teams that keep beating Keefe and the boys, don't seem to giving the Leafs the same "respect" that Keefe thought he felt from last year's handshake line.

 

[hotpaws]

No what he did with the Islanders is completely irrelevant to what he did here. Lou signed shitty contracts, made garbage deadline trades that we had to trade our way out of and left before the key guys had to be signed. Dubas has in turn been bad as well...but that doesn't make Lou any better. I really don't care if you think there is nothing to disagree with...I disagree with you lol.

name me a worse t/d deal than Foligno for a 1st plus plus ?

Lou gave Z 1 to 1.5m to much , one year to long for Marleau but left the boi genius

Andy
Rielly
Kads
Brown
Hyman

on team friendly deals

Dubas has had to pay to get rid of Ritchie/Mzerak and traded for another player who'll be costly to dump in Murray

also Muzzin and JT have both turned into varying degree's of anchors

throw in giving AM an 8yr cap hit but 5 yr term and Mitch 1.5m too much and that's why the team can't have nice things on D and the bottom 6

 

[TheBeastCoast]

name me a worse t/d deal than Foligno for a 1st plus plus ?

Lou gave Z 1 to 1.5m to much , one year to long for Marleau but left the boi genius

Andy
Rielly
Kads
Brown
Hyman

on team friendly deals

Dubas has had to pay to get rid of Ritchie/Mzerak and traded for another player who'll be costly to dump in Murray

also Muzzin and JT have both turned into varying degree's of anchors

throw in giving AM an 8yr cap hit but 5 yr term and Mitch 1.5m too much and that's why the team can't have nice things on D and the bottom 6

Again not sure why you are asking me to justify the moves Dubas made when I don't think he has done a good job? I am just not willing to white wash the shitty deals Lou made either, if that gets certain people panties all bunched up, I guess that is just to bad.

 

[deprw]

Within 3 years of lou going to the islanders, they made the semi finals twice.

He has 2x gm of the year out of the last 3.

If you think Lou sucks, you aren't very good at assessing hockey related matters.

Those two miracle runs don't change the fact that Islanders is on shambles in no-mans wasteland. You couldn't have built that endgame here same way and Islanders are pretty hard to rebuild after Lou. He makes same mistakes he made already at Jersey.

It still doesn't make Dubas shine and it is pretty irrelevant how Lou conducts business there. We have our own nest to fix.

 

[TMLAM34]

Leafs (coaches and players) know JT can't keep up anymore and this whole summer speed media narrative was completely forced fed .. but it does fool some of those corporate suits and non hockey fans who think everything is decided by points .. kinda like a smoke screen .. bottom line JT gets caved 5on5 by every 2C in league now .. it is time to move him to LW but it is clear to me Leaf brass know there is 3 years left in his AAV and really have no viable plan but take it up *ss for next 3 years or until he goes to LTIR

I don’t get why they don’t even try moving him to the left wing. Well actually I do, Keefe’s shake ups usually include Nylander being demoted to the third line and a rotation of one of the fourth line wingers…

But seriously, Matthews and Marner are struggling. There’s nothing Bunting can provide more than what JT would playing on the left side with them.

Tavares - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Kerfoot - Nylander
Bunting - Jarnkrok - Malgin
Aston Reese - Kampf - Engvall

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I don’t get why they don’t even try moving him to the left wing. Well actually I do, Keefe’s shake ups usually include Nylander being demoted to the third line and a rotation of one of the fourth line wingers…

But seriously, Matthews and Marner are struggling. There’s nothing Bunting can provide more than what JT would playing on the left side with them.

Tavares - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Kerfoot - Nylander
Bunting - Jarnkrok - Malgin
Aston Reese - Kampf - Engvall

To me bottom line da team will rise or fall with Matty .. if he keeps improving like he started showing on Sunday night then we will be fine .. with secondary support from Wlly as 2C .. and hope Muzzy can recover to give us defensive D support with Brodie .. then Murray goes WALL like he did for Pens on their 1st cup run (basically a crap D too) with 5 10 bellers every night .. but that is really pushing it from where it looks right now

 

[hotpaws]

Again not sure why you are asking me to justify the moves Dubas made when I don't think he has done a good job? I am just not willing to white wash the shitty deals Lou made either, if that gets certain people panties all bunched up, I guess that is just to bad.

I'm not asking you to do anything , i'm just stating facts and i didn't even mentioned how well he handled tearing down the team including dumping Phaneuf's brutal contract .

I have no idea why people constantly shit on the job Lou did here , the fact is he performed very well as our GM , not perfect but the good far far outweighed the bad .

The best part of Lou's tenure here was how everything was handled in a quiet competent way , there was never a coach weirdly walking back nothing comments or bs from players that lingered it seems forever .

the Leafs just seem like they're a rudderless ship slowing sailing towards the abyss with the current mgmt

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I'm not asking you to do anything , i'm just stating facts and i didn't even mentioned how well he handled tearing down the team including dumping Phaneuf's brutal contract .

I have no idea why people constantly shit on the job Lou did here , the fact is he performed very well as our GM , not perfect but the good far far outweighed the bad .

The best part of Lou's tenure here was how everything was handled in a quiet competent way , there was never a coach weirdly walking back nothing comments or bs from players that lingered it seems forever .

the Leafs just seem like they're a rudderless ship slowing sailing towards the abyss with the current mgmt

I think Lou was better then Dubas. I just don't think it is either relevant or overly impressive.