Post-Game Talk: Leafs Lose... Again.

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Are these the weaker teams that are eating our lunch right now ?
I think it's reasonable to say that none of Ottawa, Buffalo, Montreal or Detroit are going to finish in the top 3 in the division. Tampa, despite playing what seems like every night, struggles to put even a couple of wins together. It's just not a great division this season.
 
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I think it's reasonable to say that none of Ottawa, Buffalo, Montreal or Detroit are going to finish in the top 3 in the division. Tampa, despite playing what seems like every night, struggles to put even a couple of wins together. It's just not a great division this season.
Agreed but can you please tell them to stop beating us……lol
 
Not because of this game specifically.
But it may be time to atleast consider moving Marner.

That’s only if the value matches. He isn’t being moved as a panic, but you gotta kick tires on potentially moving away from the “core” enough to add another element to team.
Almost like when the Raptors traded DeRozan. It’s definitely a move you consider making depending on the return.
 
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Holmberg looked pretty good in the 4 hole I think we should trade gregor and recoup some pics he’s fast but he doesn’t ally fit
 
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I wonder why Keefe wasn't aware that the Canes had a top 5 PP before he decided to scratch one of his top PK forwards. Is it possible he's too dull to make that connection?
I think there is a level of fear of matthews, marner, and nylander from management so they use lesser players to make a meaningless point. The issue is not the 4th line center.

We desperately need a coach who doesnt give a f***. The issue is they usually have short shelf lives. At a min we are due for a new coach. No reason he should have the kind of longevity in this day and age imo. There are several options available. Any would be a breath of fresh air.
 
But it may be time to atleast consider moving Marner.

I honestly believe, given entirely circumstantial but very convincing evidence, that the moment Treliving even suggests this to Shanahan the idea will be shot down immediately and with extreme prejudice.

It is become incredibly clear over the past 7+ years that the stars are treated like royalty at MLSE and as such are considered untouchable.

- AM & Marner's contracts. Dubas going way above & beyond to re-sign Nylander.
- The sharing of the second "A" between Mitch and Auston. God forbid the team hurts either of their feelings by not giving them one, so they both get one. Shared, but still.
- Babcock - among the most stubborn, egotistical coaches in recent history flies down to Arizona in his off-season to patch things up with 34. Anyone who believes the narrative that it was entirely his call to make that trip because he'd "changed" is delusional.
- You can count on one finger the number of times under Keefe that any of the stars had been benched for even a single shift after making a really bad play or not hustling back on defense, etc.
- I still believe that a big part of why Dubas left was his assertion in his final presser than "everything" was on the table. That clearly implied potentially moving on from on one of the core. MLSE wanted absolutely none of that talk.

So long-winded way of saying, there is absolutely zero chance Mitch gets moved outside of him doing something so terrible (and made public) that he's considered toxic to the brand. Not likely. And Willie? Tre has his orders: "Sign him no matter what it takes." He's coming back too unless he simply doesn't want to.

And with that last essay of 2023, wishing everyone here on the Leafs board a Happy New Year and all the best in 2024. :cool:
 
What kind of loser/deficit mentality is this?
It’s the beat down, decades of disappointment, feeling of hopelessness with Leafs management from ownership right on down the PK coach mentality.
Its highly contagious and spreading fast
 
Brodie plays like ass every game, his strength is his consistency………


And one’s not overpaid……..
Keep marner from matty time to seperate them for good die him n willy go pointless together
 
So long-winded way of saying, there is absolutely zero chance Mitch gets moved outside of him doing something so terrible (and made public) that he's considered toxic to the brand.
I think people are underestimating the "brand" idea. I think it is definitely a factor. I don't think the team will do anything that might risk the brand, and that includes trading one of its stars or letting one of them walk to free agency.
 
I think people are underestimating the "brand" idea. I think it is definitely a factor. I don't think the team will do anything that might risk the brand, and that includes trading one of its stars or letting one of them walk to free agency.
The Leafs brand is far greater than William Nylander or Mitch Marner, and it's easy enough to save face. They just need it to be their decision and not a player walking because they hate it here.
 
What kind of loser/deficit mentality is this?
I wouldn't disagree with it, but it's a position that is held more after the playoff loss rather than right now.

But there's some logic to it. The 1st round pick will be higher, and really, the tee time difference is only about 10 days.
 
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If things don’t go easy for this team their compete level drops substantially which is not a recipe for playoff success. Plain and simple. We need some gamers. I’m starting to come around on the switching marner for a different type of player. Brodie is the new Holl for sure dudes trash
 
Losing Nylander this summer is going to suck...
Let's look at it logically, a team with Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares was able to muster ONE playoff round win. Maybe losing Nylander and being able to address the D and goaltending with the cap space isn't the worst thing in the world?
 
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