Post-Game Talk: Leafs Lose 7-3

[Jojalu]

I'm very quickly getting to this point with this team.

It is pretty difficult to quit a team. As much as we want to give up there has been so much time invested in them.

Certainly I can see spending less time watching but something always happens to suck us all back in.

 

[thewave]

Keefe just seems as rattled and un prepared as the players are. Shocking Eh

What he was doing the last 20 or so games was strange enough. I am not surprised that we didn't start on time. I don't think Keefe can defeat Cooper, but I do think Toronto can beat Tampa. Just not Tampa and the Refs unified.

We'll know next game, if the refs go lopsided again and cause another Leafs to lose it and go full Bunting/Kadri.

 

[ToneDog]

Poulin commented on how 6'3" Holl could allow Perry to skate between him and the post without being physical, in the second minute of the game, leading to Tampa's first goal. It is something.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Can you describe the angle of the camera? Was it overhead from behind or forward? If it were from in front of the post in any way it will automatically look in because being on edge, there may be white showing between the line and puck as well.

If you virtually draw a 3d representation of the line carried top to bottom, an edge would not be over it. That's what I am saying, if the line to the NHL means just the 2D line on the ice, sure. I suppose that would be clearly a goal.

The technology exists to take away the debate on this. They should implement it.

I don't remember the exact angle but yes, anyone with a functioning brain understands camera angles can be deceiving. All I can tell you is they showed the same replay many times where the angle was such that it wasn't clear. Than just one time, they showed another angle where it was clear the puck was 100% completely over the line.

 

[hoglund]

The big difference they have Vasi
We have who ?

I realize that, but yesterday's game was closer than it appeared, 3 goals were dieectly referee assisted. The soft slashing and holding penalty and the goal that didn't cross the line. This game was really 4-3. Yes they didn't play well, but neither did Tampa Bay, at least even strength. The Leafs need to stay out of the box and they'll be fine.

 

[ITM]

Jarnkrok shows great chemistry and touch with Matthews - split them up
Bunting getting the short end of the stick from the refs for weeks - elevate him to the 1st line
TDL acquisitions provide you with arguably the best Centre line up in the league - move your PPG centre to the wing
Tavares and Nylander don't seem to mesh well at 5v5 - keep them together
Justin Holl - no further comments needed
1st game of playoffs at HOME, perfect opportunity to set the tone by putting TBL on their heels - start your "shutdown" line
Hanging on by an absolute thread - call an unsuccessful challenge on a goal that has already been reviewed and put the team 2 men short

Admittedly, the calls on Schenn and Kampf were weak, but they led to 1 GA out of 7.



I expected them to do that this game. Though I wasn't the least bit surprised when they didn't.

Like dodging rain. Point by point by supplementary, complementary point. You're spot on.

Called for his replacement after Salming's Night.

There's something aimless about it all...There's a virtue to being structured with penalty waiting in the wings if you veer from it.

 

[hoglund]

I think that Woll sg

The difference is Samsanov has a track record of being bad and Vasi has a track record of winning Conn Smythes. It would be a miracle if we win a game or two with this goaltending.

I I think that Woll should and will start game 2.

 

[ToneDog]

I realize that, but yesterday's game was closer than it appeared, 3 goals were dieectly referee assisted. The soft slashing and holding penalty and the goal that didn't cross the line. This game was really 4-3. Yes they didn't play well, but neither did Tampa Bay, at least even strength. The Leafs need to stay out of the box and they'll be fine.

Hedman and Cernak played a combined 15 minutes and they crushed the Leafs.

Can't see them losing game #2 unless Sammy shits the bed, again.

 

[4thline]

Poulin commented on how 6'3" Holl could allow Perry to skate between him and the post without being physical, in the second minute of the game, leading to Tampa's first goal. It is something.

Looked to me that the issue was actually the opposite, too much adrenaline, assumed Perry was going to carry along the boards, committed to a bad line and was stapling Perry to the boards in his head. Perry took what was given and cut inside.

 

[showtime8]

reffing aside, we got exactly what we deserved. Sure, I don't like how the game was officiated once the score was 3-2. It really felt like Wes and crew smothered any possibility of a comeback with some of those calls. But at the end of the day we put ourselves in that spot.

The refs did not lose us that game. They were not great, but we were worse.

Accountability is key in losses like this. We need to understand that a start like the one we had is unacceptable any time of the year, let alone playoffs. Top to bottom we were outplayed, outcoached and out prepared.

That said, it is only 1 game. Lets not sound the fire alarm quite yet. they still need to win 3 more. If anyone thought this was going to be an easy series, let game 1 serve as a reminder that we are playing the B2B2B cup finalists. This is far from over lady's & gents.

I say it often on here, but it is kind of funny how we expect complete composure from our players on a nightly basis, yet the second we stumble and have a showing like the one last night, this forum is predominantly in melt down mode. Lets do exactly what we want our players to do, regroup, learn from it, and move on. Plenty of hockey left

Go Leafs Go!

This is pretty spot on.

I'll also add that Samsonov looked very nervous, Marner didn't want to engage and the overall play was very sloppy in terms of puck possession.

Tampa looked very composed. Toronto forgot how to play hockey for the first 20.

 

[Gary Nylund]

-- My sister excitedly spending $275 for a ticket to watch a playoff game in Toronto. It's why I'm reluctant to dish out for games anymore. Never know what crap you might get. They say playing the lottery is a voluntarily tax towards the government. I'd say paying exorbitant prices to the rich only to watch that garbage that was last night is worse.

Yup. I don't see myself every paying for tickets again because the risk-reward ratio sucks. It's not often where the game is so good that you can honestly say you didn't get ripped off and when you pay a ton of money and see a garbage game like last night ... yeah, just not worth the risk.

 

[Dekes For Days]

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Best I could find.

That's not even over the line, as you can see. It's snow pushed up over the line, as Samonsov tries to hold his pad from being pushed in.

What a joke of a league.

 

[Nineteen67]

Can we just assume “it’s only one game”. Like we all get it, this isn’t our first sporting event. We are left to comment on what we saw, and the alarming lack of composure, it happened, it’s real, it deserves digestion. I expect the Leafs to come out like dogs on a bone next game, our season is on the line.

With everything they’ve been through, I expected them to come out like a dog on a bone last night, but what’s worrisome is a lot of guys didn’t even compete.
Justin Holl wasn’t alone, but he should be moved to #8 D on roster.

 

[notbias]

It was natural for the players to be nervous. The solution was to hit hard and frequently in the beginning of the game to get the adrenal glands flowing. Keefe opted for a ballerina approach. It was a fatal mistake.

Do you have a source that was his plan?

 

[theTTC]

Can we just assume “it’s only one game”. Like we all get it, this isn’t our first sporting event. We are left to comment on what we saw, and the alarming lack of composure, it happened, it’s real, it deserves digestion. I expect the Leafs to come out like dogs on a bone next game, our season is on the line.

Leafs waited and planned for two months to prep for first game against Tampa. Ergo, all fans expected fireworks in the FIRST game. What makes you believe that tomorrow will be different? I'm asking seriously here, I'm curious.

 

[thewave]

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That's not even over the line, as you can see. It's snow pushed up over the line, as Samonsov tries to hold his pad from being pushed in.

What a joke of a league.

I agree with you here Dekes. Your line is drawn correctly and it was not over the line. It was merely deceptive camera angle that made people believe it was in.

 

[ToneDog]

Looked to me that the issue was actually the opposite, too much adrenaline, assumed Perry was going to carry along the boards, committed to a bad line and was stapling Perry to the boards in his head. Perry took what was given and cut inside.

I'm no dman, perhaps he needed to closer to the post and take the option away from him.

 

[Mess]

To me, I always thought this series really starts game 2. Either we win game 1, then see if this team has what it takes to push Tampa further on the brink. Or we lose, as we did, and now we get to see the response.

Last year Leafs sent TB a clear message after game #1 wining 5-0 backstopped by a Campbell shutout that they were ready to take on the Cup champs.

Toronto never played from behind in that series last year going up 1-0 and 2-1 and 3-2, so there was never really any pressure until game #7. This year after embarrassing themselves in game #1 it almost makes game #2 a must win with all the pressure on Toronto as you can't like Leafs beating TB 4 of 5 games (3 on the road) if they get swept at home.

This feels strange today, because when I envisioned this series outcome, not once did I even remotely think they would lose game #1 and only considered a loss in game #2 or this year, because the Leafs have known and prepared for months to leave TO up 2-0 possibly and it would be different.

 

[showtime8]

Do you think that was Keefe getting outcoached? That was the players not putting any effort in for the first 20.

What did he do to get outcoached?

Why can no one ever blame the players?

Easier to blame the one vs. the masses. I don't think that Keefe made amazing choices, but to not keep the players accountable would be insane.

You could go up and down that line-up and say who got exposed and it's going to be 95% of them.

 

[Notsince67]

Do you have a source that was his plan?

So you are inferring it wasn't and the whole team decided to ignore it from the first minute?

 

[4thline]

I'm no dman, perhaps he needed to closer to the post and take the option away from him.

Certainly. It was an awful awful play, but bad positioning from being too aggressive rather than the opposite

 

[ToneDog]

View attachment 691695

That's not even over the line, as you can see. It's snow pushed up over the line, as Samonsov tries to hold his pad from being pushed in.

What a joke of a league.

Puck is round so it may have been over the line on the ice. Ron showed a clearer image on TV. Doubt they call it a goal unless they have undisputed evidence.

 

[shaner82]

Jarnkrok shows great chemistry and touch with Matthews - split them up
Bunting getting the short end of the stick from the refs for weeks - elevate him to the 1st line
TDL acquisitions provide you with arguably the best Centre line up in the league - move your PPG centre to the wing
Tavares and Nylander don't seem to mesh well at 5v5 - keep them together
Justin Holl - no further comments needed
1st game of playoffs at HOME, perfect opportunity to set the tone by putting TBL on their heels - start your "shutdown" line
Hanging on by an absolute thread - call an unsuccessful challenge on a goal that has already been reviewed and put the team 2 men short

Admittedly, the calls on Schenn and Kampf were weak, but they led to 1 GA out of 7.

Jarnkrok shows great chemistry and touch with Matthews - split them up
Bunting getting the short end of the stick from the refs for weeks - elevate him to the 1st line
TDL acquisitions provide you with arguably the best Centre line up in the league - move your PPG centre to the wing
Tavares and Nylander don't seem to mesh well at 5v5 - keep them together
Justin Holl - no further comments needed
1st game of playoffs at HOME, perfect opportunity to set the tone by putting TBL on their heels - start your "shutdown" line
Hanging on by an absolute thread - call an unsuccessful challenge on a goal that has already been reviewed and put the team 2 men short

Admittedly, the calls on Schenn and Kampf were weak, but they led to 1 GA out of 7.



I expected them to do that this game. Though I wasn't the least bit surprised when they didn't.

I agree with all of this except the JT thing. He might be a PPG player, but in the playoffs, we will get outplayed and outscored with him at center. He's a defensive liability and is slow as hell. He needs to be shielded. With the home ice advantage, Keefe can put him at center with Marner at wing and give him the easier matchups.
In TB, they will target him just like they did last year.

Nylander never should have been with JT though. Whether he's at wing or center doesn't matter. Those two don't play well together.

Keefe really screwed that game up.

 

[Apex Predator]

Do you think that was Keefe getting outcoached? That was the players not putting any effort in for the first 20.

What did he do to get outcoached?

Why can no one ever blame the players?

I’m with you this is on the players! They no showed to start the game and the effort was putrid.

 

[DarkKnight]

Leafs waited and planned for two months to prep for first game against Tampa. Ergo, all fans expected fireworks in the FIRST game. What makes you believe that tomorrow will be different? I'm asking seriously here, I'm curious.

It’s the Leafs dude.