Post-Game Talk: Leafs Lose 7-3

[pcruz]

so now you admit they have to play better, After calling me out for saying the same, lol wow!

Read what I said:

"If the idea is to win a cup, they will have to do much more than the fancy stats.
They will need to play more and play better."


Also:

"One could argue that between the fancy advanced stats and traditional stats, that the following fits under that description:

Total team goals - 3
Total team goals against - 7
Total even strength goals against - 3.
Combined, the 2 players had:
0 goals, 5 assists, 5 points, 7 hits, 4 blocked shots, 4 takeaways, +2, 86% expected goals for at even strength and limiting their direct opposition consisting of the guy who scored 51 goals this season to an expected goals % of 15%.
Could they do better?
Yes.
Were they in any way responsible for losing this game?
Not in the slightest.
"

Please keep up.

At no point did I say they were not good.
I said that if the idea is to win the cup, they will have to play more, contribute more actual production than the advanced stats - thus being better.

You said they weren't good, which is categorically and emphatically wrong.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I’m shocked there was a bandwagon after years of the same crap.

isn’t the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result?

The bandwagon has more people on it when we lose.

 

[Cleetus]

Read what I said:

"If the idea is to win a cup, they will have to do much more than the fancy stats.
They will need to play more and play better."


Also:

"One could argue that between the fancy advanced stats and traditional stats, that the following fits under that description:

Total team goals - 3
Total team goals against - 7
Total even strength goals against - 3.
Combined, the 2 players had:
0 goals, 5 assists, 5 points, 7 hits, 4 blocked shots, 4 takeaways, +2, 86% expected goals for at even strength and limiting their direct opposition consisting of the guy who scored 51 goals this season to an expected goals % of 15%.
Could they do better?
Yes.
Were they in any way responsible for losing this game?
Not in the slightest.
"

Please keep up.

At no point did I say they were not good.
I said that if the idea is to win the cup, they will have to play more, contribute more actual production than the advanced stats - thus being better.

You said they weren't good, which is categorically and emphatically wrong.

wrong again, all you do is back track, you called me out for saying they need to be better, than post they need to be better, just terrible post after terrible post. make up your mind, and they have to be better, is that not what you said, maybe dont call me out like you are some sort of hero, and than say the same thing I posted, sad stuff

 

[myleafs]

Sammy has been putting in the work, trending the right way and building trust. So when he went full Campbell tonight it was very disheartening to see it.

Everyone knows you never go full campbell

 

[Squiffy]

Please people, the refs didn't lose the Leafs a 7-3 game lol.. save it for a 2-1 OT game or something.

 

[PromisedLand]

This is starting to turn into comedy at this point...

And this is how Joker became the Joker. He was a Leafs fan

 

[IPS]

It's so blatantly obvious it has to just be coincidence. The league would never

One of the fine fellows on the reddit thread did the math:

Odds of that are what, 1 in 28?
That's 1 in 256
That's 0.4%
You play 8 evenly officiated games 1000 times and you go 0-8 in 4 of those. 4 out of 1000.

 

[Stephen]

Great post. Hockey isn't basketball where you can win it yourself. If your goalie is letting up 7, your team has 7 penalties (including a major), and your defense and bottom-6 were useless, what else can you ask out of your two best players besides being in on all the GF and not being on for one against.

People are so sour on their past performances they can't appreciate the fact they played well despite the game being a awful.

Occasionally, stars do win it themselves and that's why they earn big playoff reputations. Isn't that the whole premise of a Big 4 is, that any one or two of them can go off and make a big difference?







Again, you're right the loss isn't on them at all and they played ok, but they need to be special.

 

[binop7]

Burn the tape and move on. We saw last year tampa lost 5-0 and still won. I just hope the leafs forget about this and move on.

Tampa has won 18 playoff series under cooper. To compare them in anyway to us is ridiculous. This was a missed opportunity I fully expect a 7 game series still, but this game could have been the difference.

 

[3blizzard4]

Alot of babies will be born nine months from today in the cities of Edmonton, Montreal and Boston.

Leafs providing the herbal “viagra”.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Leafs

Please people, the refs didn't lose the Leafs a 7-3 game lol.. save it for a 2-1 OT game or something.

Wes McCauley calls Kampf who has 4 penalty minutes ALL year for cross checking with one hand on the stick. The one goal game is now a comfortable 2 goal lead.

It's called the TSN turning point.

Keep in mind Keefe testified in court against McCauley's brother in law.

 

[Stephen]

Hopefully Keefe can find a way to put Knies and Liljegren in the lineup next game, as they should have already been playing. Him not being totally gutless would be a good next step

Bunting, Aston-Reese and Holl were virtually beginning to be subbed out.

 

[pcruz]

wrong again, all you do is back track, you called me out for saying they need to be better, than post they need to be better, just terrible post after terrible post. make up your mind, and they have to be better, is that not what you said, maybe dont call me out like you are some sort of hero, and than say the same thing I posted, sad stuff

yep even after last year, with Matthews and Marner putting their heads down, saying this feeling sucks, and than they come out like they did in the first.... something is wrong for sure, I hope they play better in game 2, but if not, this shit is over

meant the whole team, but yes both players should be better than they were... I mean sure lets pretend that everything is fine, got f***ing owned tonight, nobody deserves praise

These are pretty self-explanatory.

The first post insinuates that despite being disappointed in losing last year, they came out poorly in the first period.

The second insinuates that they "got f***ing owned tonight".

 

[Squiffy]

Tampa has won 18 playoff series under cooper. To compare them in anyway to us is ridiculous. This was a missed opportunity I fully expect a 7 game series still, but this game could have been the difference.

Gonna take the slap to the face and the wake up call. This series has juice coming out of game 1, and we are the better team.

 

[The don godfather]

The Leafs will win Game 2 and the series.

They better or its curtains all the pressure is on you guys. Tampa playing with house money right now.

 

[binop7]

Gonna take the slap to the face and the wake up call. This series has juice coming out of game 1, and we are the better team.

I'm pretty sure this is going 7 so there's still a good chance to win. But the goaltending is a big concern.

 

[PromisedLand]

 

[Squiffy]

Leafs

Wes McCauley calls Kampf who has 4 penalty minutes ALL year for cross checking with one hand on the stick. The one goal game is now a comfortable 2 goal lead.

It's called the TSN turning point.

Keep in mind Keefe testified in court against McCauley's brother in law.

Well aware of it all. The refs didn't lose the Leafs a 7-3 game. They were 3 down for coming out like crap in the first, that's what lost. Again, lets save it for a 2-1 OT loss on a Bunting diving call in the third OT.

 

[binop7]

Any one still wanna give him 8 years?

Well aware of it all. The refs didn't lose the Leafs a 7-3 game. They were 3 down for coming out like crap in the first, that's what lost. Again, lets save it for a 2-1 OT loss on a Bunting diving call in the third OT.

Didn't start on time again. The game was already done in the 1st period you won't consistently make 3 goal comebacks in the playoffs. It's like trying to climb out of a 20 foot deep hole

 

[stealth1]

Smart play by McCauley. Waited till the playoffs to screw the Leafs lol. Good job league. You get your American viewership and TV deal benefits.

If that's true they why did Winnipeg win their game? Sure they made some bad calls but it's not like they were in the game. Face it the top players don't do well under pressure

 

[um]

One of the fine fellows on the reddit thread did the math:

Treating a Leaf’s playoff game like a 50-50 game doesn’t seem right, unless I'm misunderstanding the formula.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Bruce Arthur: The Maple Leafs’ playoff demons return to haunt them in embarrassing loss to Lightning

The Leafs are supposed to have learned from recent playoff nightmares. Instead, they looked rattled, shaky, disconnected in Game 1 vs. Tampa Bay.

www.thestar.com

For a year the Toronto Maple Leafs built themselves up for this game, right here. They’re trying to win a Stanley Cup, sure, but you have to win one game before you win four, much less 16. The season-long project had a first step, and it was to be ready for the first damned playoff game of the rest of your lives.

Instead the Leafs were embarrassed 7-3, and you wonder if they were shaken to their core.

The Tampa Bay Lightning were supposed to be bedraggled after three straight Cup finals, but precisely one of these teams looked like it knew how to handle this game. After an early icing, Sheldon Keefe put out his fourth line of David Kampf, Zach Aston-Reese and Sam Lafferty. They’ve been terrific for over a month.

Aston-Reese tried to clear a puck into a crowd of Lightning players, and the self-destruct sequence was activated. Justin Holl looked like an out-of-service toll booth as Corey Perry skated right by him and into the slot; nobody cleared Pierre-Édouard Bellemare in front and he knocked in the rebound, 78 seconds in. Leafs coach Sheldon Keefe said Toronto was loose around their net all night.

“I don’t think nerves have anything to do with why we don’t defend our net and allow a guy to walk off from below the goal line,” said Keefe. “Those are all things, we’re as good as anybody in the NHL at defending that end of the ice. So that’s disappointing. But I don’t know, continue to chalk it up as nerves at this point.”

You know what? Fine. How you respond is what matters. Yes, the pressure on this team is oceanic; yes, their past failures have eaten away at the organizational margin for error. But one lesson of the past six playoff failures was supposed to be how to deal with tough moments, right? Remember Game 6 in 2019 with Toronto leading Boston 3-2, and the Leafs responded to one bad break by disconnecting from each other for half an hour? They’re supposed to have learned from that.

Not on this night. The Leafs looked rattled, shaky, disconnected. Nikita Kucherov, on the power play, made it 3-0 with 2.6 seconds left in the first. All in all, given the roster, situation and opponent — acknowledging some Boston meltdowns, and Game 4 against Tampa last year — I’m not sure I’ve seen these Leafs play a worse period of playoff hockey.

“We just had a little hesitation in our game, we were thinking a little too much there,” said centre Ryan O’Reilly. “They came with a lot of speed, and gave us issues right away.”

 

[Cleetus]

These are pretty self-explanatory.

The first post insinuates that despite being disappointed in losing last year, they came out poorly in the first period.

The second insinuates that they "got f***ing owned tonight"

yes did they not get owned? tonight, the lost the game 7-3, you expect your stars to perform, they should be better, and again you posted they need to be better, you than asked me what game I was watching like you were taking a shot at me, which was another joke post, maybe you watched the wrong game, possible? who knows? but again you back track, and posting nonsense, the whole Team got owned tonight, that was a good old fashioned ass kicking

 

[binop7]

No Muzzin and Point rebounding is a huge storyline here.

 

[1specter]

I think people's eyes are just fooling them. Was he at his best? No, not even close. But he was a positive player in every metric and was in on all 3 goals. Not to mention he played over 23 minutes including almost 5 on the PK. He looked off for sure, but he was his usual effective self and I think we'd be much happier with that performance if Sammy didn't let in 7.

No my eyes aren't fooling me. In the playoffs every play has to be looked at in isolation because of how magnified the impact is of each play, and it can't be ignored that each year he has a pretty big f*** up off of routine level plays. Think about the numerous puck over glass penalties he's taken under pressure. Even tonight, the stats didn't capture that a bad clear from him directly caused a goal against because he got off the ice right before it went into our net. MLHS breaks it down well:

Tampa’s second goal reminded me of Brayden Point’s overtime winner as Mitch Marner — who did it then and did it again tonight — meagerly flipped a puck to center to get it out. Flipping a puck up to the middle of the ice and barely making it to center ice sets the table for what happened next.

All the other team has to do is bat it down and charge right back up ice. There is no relief. Either flip it further down or eat the icing, but this flip to center — where the team can catch it and shove it down your throat — places it on a tee.

It wasn’t even a race the Leafs had a chance to win. The puck was flipped up to Ryan O’Reilly and John Tavares, who aren’t burning by anyone at center. Making matters worse, Marner flipped it out and then got off the ice, which created more space off the rush as Cirelli skated up the middle and dished it off to Brandon Hagel, who ripped a shot high that handcuffed Ilya Samsonov

There is a clear pattern of him doing panic plays like this under pressure for years now.