Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 5-2

[Morlu]

Holl and Reilly was gross. Team was gross. On to the next one. Hoping Holl is out for Schenn tomorrow.

 

[notdoneyet]

If justun holl is a leaf after friday then dubas should be fired

 

[Havoc]

Speed, or lack thereof from the backend if / when Holl McCabe Schenn are in the lineup at the same time will be a huge concern. Saw McCabe's lack of speed with my own eyes tonight. A pattern is emerging where we make the team much worse in our attempts to inject more physicality. I stand by my opinion we should have just went all in skill and chased guys like Kane after O'Reilly. We will actually be relatively the best in that department so we can get away with being softer than opponents. Now we're just tied skill wise and weaker in other areas compared to our first round (edit - playoff) opponents.

I mean, I really like McCabe from an isolated point of view, he's a dress-and-forget reliable bottom pairing D...was he the best move based on our team makeup and 1st round opponents?.....highly doubt that. This game sort of showed that. We didn't capitalize on the finishing touch after adding O'Reilly and the cash flow for trades evaporated into thin air on things we shouldn't have chased (Sandin counts as cash flow for trades).

(Let me be clear I want more physicality, I just don't agree with how we do it and the final outcome of the roster based on everything)

 

[notdoneyet]

If keefe keeps playing justin holl over 20 minutes a night then he should be fired

 

[MarnerElite]

Aren't we now supposed to be back to a 3 headed monster down the middle?

Oh righ....Keefe did say something about that. The issue is(as someone just posted above) that you wont get much production as there isn't enough playmaking for whoever is on the 3rd. As long as JT and O'Reilly aren't together(both too slow) i think almost anything else is going to give us more balance.

 

[Dayjobdave]

We must have had a dozen attempted seam passes picked off in the neutral zone tonight

one game. Flush and move on. But ick it was not fun to watch.

 

[Optimist]

Someone's fighting Lucic tomorrow.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Speed, or lack thereof from the backend if / when Holl McCabe Schenn are in the lineup at the same time will be a huge concern. Saw McCabe's lack of speed with my own eyes tonight. A pattern is emerging where we make the team much worse in our attempts to inject more physicality. I stand by my opinion we should have just went all in skill and chased guys like Kane after O'Reilly. We will actually be relatively the best in that department so we can get away with being softer than opponents. Now we're just tied skill wise and weaker in other areas compared to our first round opponents.

I mean, I really like McCabe from an isolated point of view, he's a dress-and-forget reliable bottom pairing D...was he the best move based on our team makeup and 1st round opponents?.....highly doubt that. This game sort of showed that. We didn't capitalize on the finishing touch after adding O'Reilly and the cash flow for trades evaporated into thin air on things we shouldn't have chased.

the problem is the coaching right now. The Holl obsession must end.

 

[MSZ]

Possibly my least favouite loss of the season (and I paid to see them get blown out by Seattle at home).

My least favorite ones are probably Chicago and Ottawa. Wait, the four losses against Arizona and Montreal are up there too.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Shocked to see Holl on the top pair lol, guess he's warming up the seat for Schenns arrival.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Glory days well they'll pass you by
Glory days in the wink of a young girl's eye
Glory days, glory days

 

[3blizzard4]

Playing again tomorrow night might be best for this group after this loss. Get back at it and forget this one.

Downside is Keefe has new guys in the lineup without a proper practice.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Schenner is gonna step in and make an immediate impact

 

[ULF_55]

Schenner is gonna step in and make an immediate impact

Maybe he can line up alongside the 1st. they got from the Capitals?

 

[Buds17]

Don’t really have the wingers for that third line

Kerfoot - Oreilly - Lafferty?

You’d better not expect more than 40 point from oreilly then

Particularly come playoff time, that'd be my concern about playing a former Conn Smythe winner at 3C. Doing so seems like it'd be either a sign of enviable forward depth or mismatched lines. My worry obviously lies within the latter being closer to accurate.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Good assessment Keefe. You wear a lot of this too though playing Rielly-Holl despite mounting evidence that it sucks.

 

[TIGERCOOL]

Almost didn't watch this one. Stopped after period 1. The giddiness in the pregame thread for a bunch of "gud pro" depth additions gave me a bad feeling. Why did we think 4th liners and a 4th defencemen would change this teams identity? They're marginal improvements in less criticial sectors.

We needed speed and scoring SKILL on the LW. Same thing we've needed for 4 years. Our third line is still a big useless blob of nothing. Kerfoot and Holl are still on the team.

I hope Dubas has another move planned, but who out there can move the needle now?

I'm not overreacting to one game here. I felt the same way yesterday. If dropping Engvall and Sandin for a couple #7 dmen was really Dubas' last move I'm baffled. Holding out hope for a serious talent injection to our middle 6 before Friday.

Also Matthews should be embarrassed after this one. Get off the blow or get over the ex-girlfriend or whatever the f*** it is already.

 

[3blizzard4]

Good assessment Keefe. You wear a lot of this too though playing Rielly-Holl despite mounting evidence that it sucks.

Speaking of intelligence lmao

 

[Bomber0104]

Good assessment Keefe. You wear a lot of this too though playing Rielly-Holl despite mounting evidence that it sucks.

Yeah, at some point he's going to have his own set of criticisms turned around on him.

We're at game 61..

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

Speed, or lack thereof from the backend if / when Holl McCabe Schenn are in the lineup at the same time will be a huge concern. Saw McCabe's lack of speed with my own eyes tonight. A pattern is emerging where we make the team much worse in our attempts to inject more physicality. I stand by my opinion we should have just went all in skill and chased guys like Kane after O'Reilly. We will actually be relatively the best in that department so we can get away with being softer than opponents. Now we're just tied skill wise and weaker in other areas compared to our first round (edit - playoff) opponents.

I mean, I really like McCabe from an isolated point of view, he's a dress-and-forget reliable bottom pairing D...was he the best move based on our team makeup and 1st round opponents?.....highly doubt that. This game sort of showed that. We didn't capitalize on the finishing touch after adding O'Reilly and the cash flow for trades evaporated into thin air on things we shouldn't have chased (Sandin counts as cash flow for trades).

(Let me be clear I want more physicality, I just don't agree with how we do it and the final outcome of the roster based on everything)

There's no reason for Holl and Schenn to both dress. McCabe is more or less replacing Sandin, who was far from a speedster himself. Gustafsson is presumably the guy to inject speed and skill on the blue line but uhhhh he has some issues, to say he least.

Then again there's also no reason for Rielly to be playing with anyone besides Brodie and Liljegren, but here we are.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

Chemistry takes time.

We are still the best Leaf team assembled in the last 5 years.

It'll happen, we shall grow. Just watch.

 

[Optimist]

Remember that time when all the boys went out fishing in the ocean sun before the game against the Panthers? And got their asses handed to them? I guess that they never learned anything from that.

 

[Kurtz]

And some of you think we're beating Tampa?

LMFAO. Keep dreaming dreamers. They'll be lucky if they don't get swept.

Tampa's last 2 games were a 4-1 loss to Florida and a 7-2 loss to Pitt.

 

[Osmows OReilly]

Good assessment Keefe. You wear a lot of this too though playing Rielly-Holl despite mounting evidence that it sucks.

Keefe in a nutshell: says the right things but never does the right things.

 

[notDatsyuk]

When Leafs start a game like that... they're not going to win very often.

Yep. Dumb penalty by a new Leaf, and then Marner trying to get too fancy on the PK and giving up the puck for an easy goal. At that point, I figured we were done.