Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 5 -1

[leafsfan5]

I wonder what the news on McMann is

McMann was on a ~20+ goal pace since January 1st and is a vital part of our depth scoring. He's an underrated loss and we need him back

 

[dimi78]

We’ve skipped out on goaltending far too long, I don’t see anyone disputing that and I never disputed that. I’m talking about not doing enough to take the opposing goalies eyes away. Both things are true.

No they're not. What yoursaying isn't true. It's emotianall blindery thinking the group in front doest do what you say... Goaltending has be the crux of this team. From James Reimer, and on the Leafs have have received the worst goaltending of all playoff teams that's why they're constantly out in round 1 period. It's as simple as that. Trying win cups with backups isn't the way

 

[rumman]

Thanks, that would have been a pebble in my shoe all day if you didn’t respond………

 

[hamzarocks]

How in the bloody f*** did the leafs have 7.2 expected goals lool?

What were these chances?

How did the Bruins who hit 3 posts + scored 4 goals on a goalie (does ENG count for expecred goals?) Have only 3 goals expected?

A 2 on 1 chance, the 4th goal a 2 on 1 down low. Those are give me goals/very high danger chances.

The other two goals were iffy but they were similar type of chances we generated.

Our best looks were the Matthews Post, Benoit Post, Robertson slot shot, Jarnkrok dumb shot on trailing 2 on 1 and then 2 looks on the 4 on 3

None of those chances were give mes besides maybe Matthews post whicb was still an awkward angle he hit the post on

Expected goals for paints this game as we dominated. You watch any highlight video on youtube and no way shape or form does it look like we outplayed them.

 

[All Mod Cons]

IDK about that, my prediction at season start is Toronto losses in 5 to whomever they play. Once Toronto is eliminated, especially badly, Marner may agree to waive his NMC since it will be the last year of the contract but only to specific teams (NYR, California, etc)

I think Marner would do really well in LA

I think, if it ends badly this playoffs, Marner would welcome a move to get away from Toronto. We might actually be able to make a trade.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Let's face it, this team as constructed isn't capable of winning a Stanley Cup. All the blame for that has to go to Dubas. Virtually every Stanley Cup winning team has a good to great goalie, a stud defenceman, and elite strength up the middle. We're desperately missing that clear stud #1 defenceman and we couldn't sign that guy because we invested $11 million on a position we were already quite strong at. I'd rather have kept Kadri then sign Tavares if it prevented us from getting that stud d.

It's pretty clear Rielly is a #2 on a good team, and a second pairing guy on a strong contending team. In last night's game, quite frankly, he was sluggish and indecisive. Is Samsonov a good goalie? I'm not convinced he has the mental fortitude to lead a team to a cup. He certainly isn't capable of covering up defensive flaws and poor penalty killing. Of course I haven't mentioned good coaching because I think Keefe is a good coach, IF he has a great goalie and great defence.

 

[colchar]

I hope your right, losing Marner and JT frees up lots of dough, Mathew’s deal isn’t that long the real problem is that stupid contract they gave Styles, the idea of eight more years of him not giving a shit infuriates me, he’s everything I loathe about a player with all the talent in the world and no heart, no bravery……..

But last year he was different in the playoffs. What is the difference now (and no, it ain't the contract).

I know what matters

Really?

but if all you do to analyze a game is look at the score, you're misinformed.

Oh yes, because when the Bruins move on to the second round the Leafs are going to get some imaginary stats trophy to go with their expected something or other, and that's what is really important here.

 

[colchar]

What song it that from?

"Once in a Lifetime" by the Talking Heads. Appropriate really, since that title could refer to Leafs playoff series victories...................

 

[rumman]

But last year he was different in the playoffs. What is the difference now (and no, it ain't the contract).

Nylander will never live up to that contract, his problem is he’s just like his father, a money first player who couldn’t care less about winning, someone in another threat compared him to Korolev and I think that’s a perfect comparison, all the talent in the world and zero f**ks given in his play……….

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Pure speculation, Keefe said that Nylander quit the last two weeks of the season and then he is a ghost for the playoffs? My guess is he is being disciplined. Even injured guys are in the press box watching the game. He's no where to be seen.

I hope I am wrong...but what if he got mono and that's why he isn't around the other players? That thought passed through my mind when they said he woke up on Thursday with something tweaked....scary to think about and I hope I am wrong. It's either discipline or Mono for him to not be with the others.

 

[rumman]

"Once in a Lifetime" by the Talking Heads. Appropriate really, since that title could refer to Leafs playoff series victories...................

At least since 1967, before that they were killing it………

 

[saffronleaf]

Marner with 5 playoff goals in past 37 games. That's about a 12 goal pace over 82 games. Pretty sure all 3 from the 2023 postseason were from the blueline... shockingly bad...11 million.

Kampf with 4 in last 28.

Why does everyone blame marner for everything :'(

Nylander did nothing this game!!

 

[rumman]

I hope I am wrong...but what if he got mono and that's why he isn't around the other players? That thought passed through my mind when they said he woke up on Thursday with something tweaked....scary to think about and I hope I am wrong. It's either discipline or Mono for him to not be with the others.

Well, that would be the team’s fault for keeping Timmins around to potentially infect the players……..

 

[57 Years No Cup]

I can't start to contemplate on what would convince a player to participate in 82 games in a season, play 4 consecutive completely irrelevant games, and then miss the most important game of the season.

Just does not compute.

Motivated by personal stats.

 

[ChurchOfMatthews]

If Marner is resigned, it should be clear to everyone, that it’s not about winning. No one cares about winning but the fans.

MLSE is raking in the dough. And that’s the only important part.

Said the same thing to the wife last night. If they resign Marner and Tavares, this franchise isn't serious about winning a cup and I won't be serious about being a fan anymore. There's just so many other things I could be enjoy doing 10-15 hours a week that don't raise my blood pressure like this heartless team.

 

[notbias]

How in the bloody f*** did the leafs have 7.2 expected goals lool?

What were these chances?

How did the Bruins who hit 3 posts + scored 4 goals on a goalie (does ENG count for expecred goals?) Have only 3 goals expected?

A 2 on 1 chance, the 4th goal a 2 on 1 down low. Those are give me goals/very high danger chances.

The other two goals were iffy but they were similar type of chances we generated.

Our best looks were the Matthews Post, Benoit Post, Robertson slot shot, Jarnkrok dumb shot on trailing 2 on 1 and then 2 looks on the 4 on 3

None of those chances were give mes besides maybe Matthews post whicb was still an awkward angle he hit the post on

Expected goals for paints this game as we dominated. You watch any highlight video on youtube and no way shape or form does it look like we outplayed them.

Looks like we got a lot of shots from inside the diamond... that's probably why.

Also think we had 50% more shots than them.

Oh yes, because when the Bruins move on to the second round the Leafs are going to get some imaginary stats trophy to go with their expected something or other, and that's what is really important here.

You're making up your own argument now.

Expected stats help to see the game in another way, not much else.

No results change, it just adds more to the analysis.

Weirdly, you don't like them and then in another post above you started discussing the psychology of the players, at least the expected stats are things that have happened and that is how the numbers are being generated... you're just making assumptions and guessing.

 

[hamzarocks]

Why does everyone blame marner for everything :'(

Nylander did nothing this game!!

Marner sucked.and he played not good enpugh game 1. Needs to step up huge otherwise he becomes the cursed one version 2 after Tavares.

Nylander sucks for chasing 100 while injured or getting hurt taking a shit on thursday.

Its crazy we even got to here

No other team would have 1) Played Nylander in pointless games with playoff matchup locked. Or 2) Had him play game 1 and work through the injury. This is the playoffs. You get more injuries deeper into the playoffs. Players play through this/they battle to give their team chances/come back early from injuries.

Nylander has to play game 2. Even if hes somehow only at 75% ability

 

[PromisedLand]

I'm actually ok with the result. I always felt this was a throwaway year. Anything positive that happens these playoffs is just gravy.

I hear ya.... As far as I am concerned until Tavares is on the cap; we have nothing but throw-away years Gotta use that time to re-tool and hopefully expose young guys to NHL and playoff experience.

that said,
I hate losing to Boston. I absolute despise boston

 

[All Mod Cons]

Why does everyone blame marner for everything :'(

Nylander did nothing this game!!

5 goals in the last 37 playoff games for 11mil a year is pretty nuts though.

 

[notbias]

I hear ya.... As far as I am concerned until Tavares is on the cap; we have nothing but throw-away years Gotta use that time to re-tool and hopefully expose young guys to NHL and playoff experience.

that said,
I hate losing to Boston. I absolute despise boston

How much is Tavares overpaid by? How much is Nylander at 7 mil an underpay?

Do they cancel each other out this year? How is it a throw away year? This is a loser mentality.

 

[colchar]

Nylander will never live up to that contract, his problem is he’s just like his father, a money first player who couldn’t care less about winning, someone in another threat compared him to Korolev and I think that’s a perfect comparison, all the talent in the world and zero f**ks given in his play……….

I remember him being different in the playoffs last year.

I was never a fan, right from his Marlies days (used to take my late father to a lot of Marlies games so we saw Nylander when he was with them). Tons of talent, zero shits given. But after last year's playoffs my opinion of him changed as he seemed to be the only only of the core who cared.

 

[Havoc]

Nylander needs to play even if he's only 50%.

The PP is bust without his shot threat. This guy hits 90mph on his wrister without needing rush momentum

Stamkos wasn't 100% against us when Tampa beat us but they still put him out there just to stand and shoot

 

[rumman]

I think, if it ends badly this playoffs, Marner would welcome a move to get away from Toronto. We might actually be able to make a trade.

Possible, but not probable, I don’t know about you, but my problems rarely disappear or solve themselves……..

 

[pcruz]

I don’t know where you would ever get that idea. Nylander has been one of our best playoff performers for the past few years.

I'm not sure what idea I projected, but Nylander played all 82 games, including the last 4 that were completely and utterly irrelevant.

And then he mysteriously went MIA from the team the day after the last game of the season, and missed the first game of the playoffs.


If it was a nagging thing that flared up in that last game or 2, then his contract extension should be voided, and the entirety of the training and coaching staff should be fired immediately.


And since we have had no update on whatever is bothering him sufficiently to miss playoff games, its fair to ask.

 

[AvroArrow]

I'm actually ok with the result. I always felt this was a throwaway year. Anything positive that happens these playoffs is just gravy.

Yeah I don't see this team competing for a cup this year or next. We need these Tavares/Marner/Brodie deals gone. If Marner takes a significant discount, bring him back otherwise he can f*** right off.