Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 5 -1

[DraftSchmaft]

This build doesn't work without a healthy Nylander.

 

[TheShape]

I also thought that Boston contained the leafs to a lot of perimeter play.. Toronto needs to get more into the middle of the ice and cause chaos. They couldn’t sustain pressure all night because of that

Copy and paste this and it applies to every series since 2018? Perimeter team who prefer not to fight in the dirty areas or make life difficult for the other team's goalie. Rinse and repeat.

There are people here who truly believe Leafs just get "goalie'd" in every series. No, it ain't that.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

We had the 2nd best offense this year and only got a contribution from our 4th line who also had the most pressure. That tells you there's a chemistry issue , Keefe does this every year. Never had the lines humming down the stretch and we get off to slow starts. Team is 2-7 in game 1s in recent history. Bullshit coaching , chemistry is everything when the checking tightens up .

 

[Sniper99]

If he only had the balls on the ice he does off, in his post game interview and contract negotiations. Dump him or you will regret it like you are starting to regret the Nylander deal. FFS has anybody in this organization learned anything already?

Nobody has learned f*** all. None of these 5 I include Reilly because hes not even worth 7.5 mill he got. "Yeah but Nurse got...." f*** other teams players, are worth what theyve got.

"But 69 goals!!" Great but wtf does Matthews do in the playoffs? Disappear. Im a Marner fan but Id offer what Reilly got without any NTC/NMC and if he says welp im out. Au Revoir!! and if theres a top dman out there put whatever money available towards them. Need hockey players with heart on this team not cheque collectors

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

If mitch and willy were on Tampa bay they would've been bridged for 6.5M then signed long term at 9.5M not the massacre we have now

 

[Blanka]

Bruins hit 3-4 posts as well.

Shame they didn’t go in as Samsonov would have been pulled for sure.

No, I know. But I was simply refuting the point that our expected goals was negligible because Boston hit so many posts. So did the Leafs.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Marner is going to ask for near Matthews money again which is laughable. It was sad the first time but at least back then Matthews was paid based on potential. And now that the Leafs are all but admitting that Matthews and Marner doesn't work together, how on Earth would they justify paying $12 million to a small soft winger? So he can setup Tavares? Yeah, I don't think so.

Best thing may be to just let him walk.

 

[Anthrax442]

 

[Gary Nylund]

So let me get this straight. You're saying that if you're the Boston Bruins and continue to play like this, you're going to win the Stanley cup? They're not even going to get past the Leafs let alone FLA or TBAY if they continue with these numbers.

I never said Boston's going to win the cup, what the heck are you talking about?

 

[BallardEra]

So why aren't they converting. That's the question.

They have scored less than 3 goals a game over their last 8 playoff games.

I point the finger at Keefe, considering how many playoff type players have been brought in over that stretch.

 

[Gallagbi]

We had the 2nd best offense this year and only got a contribution from our 4th line who also had the most pressure. That tells you there's a chemistry issue , Keefe does this every year. Never had the lines humming down the stretch and we get off to slow starts. Team is 2-7 in game 1s in recent history. Bullshit coaching , chemistry is everything when the checking tightens up .

First line is exactly as ppl wanted, fourth line has been locked since the TDL.

Middle 6 has a necessary change with a winger missing on each line.

 

[Notsince67]

What really happened is we lost. The only goal was from a 4th liner.
Yes I realize Sammy was bad but our high high paid stars did nothing and if there only job is to play even with the other teams good players why are they paid so much.
We have seen this for 8 years now…….when is it going to change

I get we lost and deservedly so. Talking honestly about what happened in the game is a problem here though. Truth isn't a feeling. I'm a fan of the sport. The game was there to see like an elephant in the room. We played stupid physical starting with reeves who went in as a second hitter, allowing a break for the net. The first line penalties didnt help. Not great goaltending was a problem. Once the team is behind, it takes chances to catch up which translates to some undisciplined play. Dumb penalties shouldn't be part of that equation.

 

[Gallagbi]

They have scored less than 3 goals a game over their last 8 playoff games.

I point the finger at Keefe, considering how many playoff type players have been brought in over that stretch.

What is Keefe doing that's costing offense. You're listing the who, not the what/why

 

[Optimist]

When it comes to the playoffs, Marners brain is in complete shambles. He's afraid to possess the puck. He hears footsteps coming and wants to get rid of it asap, which often results in a terrible pass or flipping it over the glass. As talented as he is, his game has many holes in it. Especially at playoff time.

 

[thusk]

Sammy wasn’t great, but these high danger chances for the Leafs? Come on, most of them where low along the ice spin o Rama shots. Swayman didn’t have to make too many difficult saves. How many posts did Boston hit as well? Stats nerds eat this crap up and make excuses for poor team performance

Swayman made look shot easier than it was and samsonov harder tha it was...

i giving you an exemple, the 2nd debrusk goal was ptobably easier than majority of save Swayman did on the 4v3 but debrusk goal was looking much more than why? Swayman was in control and in perfect positiom, Samsonov wasn't and completly out of position. So that was looking so much bigger scoring chance but the difference at the end was just goaltending

 

[Gallagbi]

I get we lost and deservedly so. Talking honestly about what happened in the game is a problem here though. Truth isn't a feeling. I'm a fan of the sport. The game was there to see like an elephant in the room. We played stupid physical starting with reeves who went in as a second hitter, allowing a break for the net. The first line penalties didnt help. Not great goaltending was a problem. Once the team is behind, it takes chances to catch up which translates to some undisciplined play. Dumb penalties shouldn't be part of that equation.

I wouldn't even say dumb, it was more careless until Domi's and that basically just conceded the game

 

[mehavecable]

Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...

 

[DarkKnight]

This build doesn't work without a healthy Nylander.

I want to see Marner and Nylander together.

 

[Blanka]

I never said Boston's going to win the cup, what the heck are you talking about?

My initial point was that statistically we outperformed the Bruins everywhere except in net. You said piss on stats. I made the point that if they continue to play the same way they're not going anywhere.

 

[BallardEra]

What is Keefe doing that's costing offense. You're listing the who, not the what/why

Could be anything from his system, adjustments, preparation, etc. Whatever he is preaching is clearly not working towards the end goal of winning a Cup.

Leafs will need a different coach to take them to that final step. Keefe is Boudreau 2.0 and the Leafs need to find their version of Trotz.

 

[Gary Nylund]

My initial point was that statistically we outperformed the Bruins everywhere except in net. You said piss on stats. I made the point that if they continue to play the same way they're not going anywhere.

I didn't say piss on stats. I'm just saying that when a team scores 5 goals and hits the post 4 times and some formula spits out an expected goals number barely above 3, it's hard for me to see that number as being meaningful. It's not just that number either, I remember people posting some number from the athletic as if they mean anything that we're a complete joke to me. One guy said that according to the athletic, Liljegren is worth 8 million and that just can't be right. Also Kerfoot and Kadri were rated to almost exactly equal value at one point after we made that trade, that was obviously garbage as well. So not piss on stats, but maybe piss on some stats, I think that's fair.

Ok back to the subject at hand, these expected stat numbers, specifically Boston's expected goals from last night. If I'm being completely honest I'll just say that number is obviously garbage and looking at these x numbers as if they mean anything isn't a good idea. JMHO.

 

[Canadian Finn]

screw momentum when you have the deserve to win o meter

 

[hotpaws]

Marner is going to ask for near Matthews money again which is laughable. It was sad the first time but at least back then Matthews was paid based on potential. And now that the Leafs are all but admitting that Matthews and Marner doesn't work together, how on Earth would they justify paying $12 million to a small soft winger? So he can setup Tavares? Yeah, I don't think so.

Mathews and Marner work great together , the issue is Mitch can carry JT better then Willie and sometimes is took both of them working together to get Tavares somewhat productive .

the problem with this team is they're still trying to cater to Tavares instead of just accepting it's hurts the team trying to make him a core piece , they should throw him on the 3rd line , limit his minutes and let him take draws then shift to the wing

 

[disgruntleddave]

Someone's gotta lose game 1, so here we are.

The main concerns are that we look like we did in the last week when the games "didn't matter". They matter a lot to stay in gear and be serious.

Pp still sucks. One play where it was given to rielly at the point and he literally just stood there. No movement, no threat of shot, nothing.

Come back better tomorrow boys, for the love of God.

 

[rumman]

If Tre is Shannys puppet. All the more reason to let him go too.

Can’t argue with that logic……..