Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 5 -1

[Gabriel426]

Holmberg, Robertson, Dewar, Knies, Liljegren, Beniot, (soon: McMann), Woll, etc....

how much "playoff experience" do you think they have? Treliving knew exactly what he was doing at the TDL. Go watch his post GM's meeting interview. Its pretty telling that he was already looking forward to the summer. I'd ahve done the same thing. I would have actually gone a step further to force Keefe to scratch Tavares, Brodie, Gio, etc.... pretty much anyone who are not in Leafs' future plans.

Time to be patient a bit. Kids gotta learn some playoff hockey. Nobody is a "champ" right out of the gate. There was time to be patient with matthews, marner and nylander with a proper rebuild. But that trash dubas ruined it by signing tavares among other dumbass moves including throwing away draft picks for 1st round exits.

That’s an interesting take.
But still want them to play better than they did today

 

[Aus34Matt]

Why wasn't Gio and Brodie in? Are they hurt?

No they are not. Gio is just too old and Brodie just sucks lately.

I will however take Brodie over Lily as long as he plays under 12 mins.

 

[Jojalu]

I didn't mind the slash on Marchand. The Leafs kept him pretty much in check all night.

PK can't be 60%. Simply not good enough

 

[MSZ]

I would have said snooker.

Those Brit snooker players still make a lot of dough though.

 

[torontoblood]

Terrible.

This team is just so unlikeable.

Gotta strip the C from Tavares after this season. Worst signing of this era of the Leafs.

I remember when many supposed hockey experts in the media used to praise tavares and tell hockey fans he was a second Crosby. According to them, He was captain Canada, a quiet heart and soul leader who leads by example. His reputation as a wonderful leader wasn’t earned and was rather the product of media narratives and image optics in my opinion. In reality, right now “JT” is just a declining top line forward (now a deluxe 3rd liner ) with low energy, zero personality, and no leadership ability. He’s completely miscast in the role of captain and leader of this team. He’s as passionate as Pierre Turgeon and Patrick Marleau. He’s Very vanilla, nondescript, invisible . And compared to former Leafs captains, he’s coming short imo. He doesn’t have the grit, physicality, determination, fierce attitude, and warrior spirit of Wendel Clark, the prestance, poise, clutchiness, and commanding presence of Mats Sundin, the heart, soul, ferocity, resilience , and relentlessness of a Dough Gilmour. and he lacks the winning aura, playoff experience, tenacity and wisdom of George “chief” Armstrong, the last leafs captain that won the last Stanley cup Championship for Toronto.

They run the same goddamn play on every PP zone entry.

1. Enter on the left side
2. Cross the blueline
3. Pass to JT on the left wall
4. Scramble to maintain control because the PK knows EXACTLY that they were going to do it

tavares Has tunnel vision on the perimiter, he makes the same bad and predictable passes on the powerplay. He runs the same limited options.

And every time a leafs player makes a pass to the point it misses wide.

 

[A1LeafNation]

That’s an interesting take.
But still want them to play better than they did today

They have to play rookies bc there are 4 players making like 45m next year.

 

[wingman75]

Holmberg, Robertson, Dewar, Knies, Liljegren, Beniot, (soon: McMann), Woll, etc....

how much "playoff experience" do you think they have? Treliving knew exactly what he was doing at the TDL. Go watch his post GM's meeting interview. Its pretty telling that he was already looking forward to the summer. I'd ahve done the same thing. I would have actually gone a step further to force Keefe to scratch Tavares, Brodie, Gio, etc.... pretty much anyone who are not in Leafs' future plans.

Time to be patient a bit. Kids gotta learn some playoff hockey. Nobody is a "champ" right out of the gate. There was time to be patient with matthews, marner and nylander with a proper rebuild. But that trash dubas ruined it by signing tavares among other dumbass moves including throwing away draft picks for 1st round exits.

Treliving was VERY clear post-deadline presser that it is the core's responsibility to lead this team forward. Changing the fringe has been done 6 times previous with the same results. He challenged them. So now, when the end-of-season meetings take place, he will have a shit-ton of ammo for those conversations.

Ummm, soooo, what is it you would say you do around here? Cause it's ain't winning f***ing playoff series'.

 

[yubbers]

This is going to be 8/9 playoff series losses.

Shanahan Treliving Keefe Marner and Tavares have to go.

why would you fire the new guy? LOL

 

[pcruz]

The other explanation is it’s a fairly simplistic model, a team with a massive lead is going to concede more shots, yada yada.

Toronto was out-shooting and out-chancing Boston when the game was 1-0.

Hell, they started the game with a 5-0 lead in shots.

Boston scored on their first shot of the game.

Boston scored on their first shot of the 2nd period.

Boston scored on 2 of the 6 power plays they were gifted, one of which was a "shot" that bounced around the crease and went in off the goalie.

There were no shot-effects going on tonight.

Toronto piled on the chances and Boston piled on the goals.

Samsonov was well below average, and Swayman was very good.


There's the answer to the whole mathematical equation.

 

[Antropovsky]

Gio? He can't skate anymore. I don't mind if he comes in, but it'll come with its own risks.

Personally I would have had Brodie in over Boosh tonight. He's always my #7

I think it's outrageous that Brodie was scratched if he's not injured. I only commented specifically on Gio because you mentioned that he comments specifically on him. I'd like Gio as the 6th guy. He has tons of experience, blocks alot of shots, has grit and can make a good pass. players tend dig deep and find a more for playoffs. Making significant changes to the lineup before game 1 of the playoffs is a bad move.

 

[A1LeafNation]

why would you fire the new guy? LOL

Shanny hire who thought Nylander at 11.5m was a good idea.

 

[wingman75]

I remember when many supposed hockey experts in the media used to praise tavares and tell hockey fans he was a second Crosby. According to them, He was captain Canada, a quiet heart and soul leader who leads by example. His reputation as a wonderful leader wasn’t earned and was rather the product of media narratives and image optics in my opinion. In reality, right now “JT” is just declining top line forward (now a deluxe 3rd liner ) with low energy, zero personality, and no leadership ability. He’s completely miscast in the role of captain and leader of this team. He’s as passionate as Pierre Turgeon and Patrick Marleau. And compared to former Leafs captains he’s coming short imo. He doesn’t have the grit, determination, attitude, and warrior spirit of Wendel Clark, the prestance; clutchiness and commanding presence of Mats Sundin, the heart, soul, ferocity, and relentlessness of a Doyg Gilmour. and he lacks the winning aura, playoff experience tenacity and wisdom of George chief Armstrong, the last leafs captain that won the last Stanley cup Championship for Toronto.

tavares Has tunnel vision on the perimiter, he makes the same bad and predictable passes on the powerplay. He runs the same limited options.

And every time the leafs player makes a pass to the point it misses wide.

Maybe true, maybe not, but I do feel bad for him when they leave him isolated on the sideboards on the PP entry... like holy shit... throw the guy a bone. Dude tries, but man I am tired of seeing that play.

 

[PromisedLand]

That’s an interesting take.
But still want them to play better than they did today

they will. Kids will learn and get better. Problem though IMHO Keefe is not the kinda coach that will help the young prosper because he cannot game plan or make in game adjustments.

we can't be repeating the same trash we did when matthews, marner and nylander were youngsters learning the art of NHL especially playoff hockey.

This team would be a bit better for next season with experience from the youngsters, a turnaround in roster in the summer with more Treliving type players and hopefully a decent coach

 

[yubbers]

Wait...Keefe said Domis slash crossed the line?

Holy shit I hate that man.

 

[ruaware41]

Anyone wonder if William contractlander was benched to send a message and not actually injured?

 

[Divine]

This kind of chart is trash. Boston had 2 very high quality chances in first 2:30, easily could've been 2-0. Yet not reflected in "expected goals". Why? Their interpretation of data is flawed.

What two high quality chances? Didn't the Leafs have high quality chances? Boston is clearly ahead early in the game. The Leafs were ahead for 42 minutes.

This chart shows Boston was better for the first 18 minutes - then in the end of the period the Leafs had the more dangerous chances and from that point forward the Leafs had a lot more chances.

Boston has 24 shots the entire game - that's usually considered a good defensive game. It looks bad when your goalie allows 4 goals on 23 shots though.

Look at it objectively:

If I told you the Bruins would get 23 shots all game with 4 powerplays and 14 shots on even strength the entire game - you'd probably say that was a good game.

When the goalie is letting in everything, even a good game looks bad. People are acting like Boston had breakaway after breakaway.

 

[hotpaws]

We had enough to trade 6 picks at the deadline...

sorry to set off the alarms

must not be easy to love a guy who is well on his way to destroying a 2nd team all before he's 40 . trading a 1st and 2nd for EK at 10m with 3 more years left and then giving almost 5m x 6yrs for a bottom pairing D as a ufa . lol

 

[Lightsol]

Piss off Keefe. 3 more L's and you're gone.

Yep, exactly what I was afraid of. Keefe's going to pull from this game that playing physical isn't working and he's going to dress a light lineup next game, which Boston is going to run out of the building.

 

[notbias]

why would you fire the new guy? LOL

Give him another year I'd say... but his plan to score more goals was to bring in people who fight and hit, it's a weird strategy.

And his track record is terrible.

 

[Divine]

So many years into looking at these charts, I think we have to draw the conclusion that they aren’t always able to describe what’s going on out there.

Or it signals the Leafs have the worst goaltender in every series.

Expected goals just means the expected goals if both goaltenders are the same.

 

[yubbers]

Shanny hire who thought Nylander at 11.5m was a good idea.

I've never been a Willy fan. ALways said he was a merc like is Dad.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

And give it to who exactly? 34? The guy who was completely invisible? 16? Another ghost.

give it to 44. should have went to him in the first place

 

[ChurchOfMatthews]

I think it's outrageous that Brodie was scratched if he's not injured. I only commented specifically on Gio because you mentioned that he comments specifically on him. I'd like Gio as the 6th guy. He has tons of experience, blocks alot of shots, has grit and can make a good pass. players tend dig deep and find a more for playoffs. Making significant changes to the lineup before game 1 of the playoffs is a bad move.

In all fairness Brodie has been really, really, really bad as of late. He needs to get his head back into the game. Either that or he's just cooked... I dunno.

 

[Gallagbi]

I think it's outrageous that Brodie was scratched if he's not injured. I only commented specifically on Gio because you mentioned that he comments specifically on him. I'd like Gio as the 6th guy. He has tons of experience, blocks alot of shots, has grit and can make a good pass. players tend dig deep and find a more for playoffs. Making significant changes to the lineup before game 1 of the playoffs is a bad move.

It wasn't significant changes, that was the expected D. Brodie for Lilj was the Q based on construction and it's the change I expect for Game 2.

 

[Evilhomer]

Those Brit snooker players still make a lot of dough though.

Pots of cash. There are some great interviews with some of the retired guys. So many of them had personality issues because they basically lived in dark rooms for hours on end without talking to other people.