Post-Game Talk: Leafs Lose 4-2
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MyBudJT
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Again.... Pastrnak was a brutal comparable... I laid it out for you. If you chose not to see it, I can't help you.
That's a good team, Boston. But not that good.
Hutch was the least of our problems, which abound. I've avoided the Babcock arguments for the most part, but he is either losing or has lost the room. I'd first question whether he has demanded that the players avoid contact. There's no excuse for the lack of drive and body contact that would slow the opposing teams down. This has been a consistent issue for the Leafs over a long time and while some argue that Dubas is responsible for their lack of physical commitment, I don't believe that to be the case. Yes, for some on the team, but as a team there are enough players here who could adequately fulfill the required physical efforts to greatly improve the Leaf's need to make life difficult for the other team. Matthews would be my first target for asking the question, 'why are you so passive?', followed by Rielly. Both are big, strong young men who could impose their will on the game with more dedication to physical hockey. I can only guess that Babcock is attempting to guide a team mentality that promotes the counter attack at all costs, but it provides no disincentive to the other team to focus on anything other than fearless/cautionless hockey. I cannot wrap my head around it.
If Dermott is not playing RD in practice leading to his return, I'm confused. Ceci/Rielly is not working.
Holl would be another consideration for a move up the line up to replace Ceci.
For those who asked to see Matthews and Marner together, I don't see it working, do you?
A return of Tavares can't come soon enough and I hope when he does he gets in a few faces about effort: Barrie, Matthews, Marner, Nylander are you listening?
I hope Hyman is fully recovered and confident in his knee before he plays a game, we need his effort.
The lack of trust in each other is very apparent. That said, they've had a very difficult opening to the season, schedule wise. Somebody (Tavares please) bring this room together, because the talent is better than the product and this ship can be righted, but not if the team has closed their ears to their coach. I'm guessing the next 10-15 games will be very telling and that Dubas and Shanny will be paying very close attention to the way the product on the ice matches the instructions they've been receiving. Should the product remain the same, I suspect a coaching change will occur in early December.
Hutch was the least of our problems, which abound. I've avoided the Babcock arguments for the most part, but he is either losing or has lost the room. I'd first question whether he has demanded that the players avoid contact. There's no excuse for the lack of drive and body contact that would slow the opposing teams down. This has been a consistent issue for the Leafs over a long time and while some argue that Dubas is responsible for their lack of physical commitment, I don't believe that to be the case. Yes, for some on the team, but as a team there are enough players here who could adequately fulfill the required physical efforts to greatly improve the Leaf's need to make life difficult for the other team. Matthews would be my first target for asking the question, 'why are you so passive?', followed by Rielly. Both are big, strong young men who could impose their will on the game with more dedication to physical hockey. I can only guess that Babcock is attempting to guide a team mentality that promotes the counter attack at all costs, but it provides no disincentive to the other team to focus on anything other than fearless/cautionless hockey. I cannot wrap my head around it.
If Dermott is not playing RD in practice leading to his return, I'm confused. Ceci/Rielly is not working.
Holl would be another consideration for a move up the line up to replace Ceci.
For those who asked to see Matthews and Marner together, I don't see it working, do you?
A return of Tavares can't come soon enough and I hope when he does he gets in a few faces about effort: Barrie, Matthews, Marner, Nylander are you listening?
I hope Hyman is fully recovered and confident in his knee before he plays a game, we need his effort.
The lack of trust in each other is very apparent. That said, they've had a very difficult opening to the season, schedule wise. Somebody (Tavares please) bring this room together, because the talent is better than the product and this ship can be righted, but not if the team has closed their ears to their coach. I'm guessing the next 10-15 games will be very telling and that Dubas and Shanny will be paying very close attention to the way the product on the ice matches the instructions they've been receiving. Should the product remain the same, I suspect a coaching change will occur in early December.
I forgive Auston of his play tonight for sure. That's tough man.
I thought he had to show up in court? If so, that's insane.
TrueTT
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How is Nylander an overpayment at this point?
Getting a 60-point possession beast, who happens to be one of the most skilled playmakers in the league, at less than 7 million in this market? Sign me the hell up.
That’s the difference between a team that scouts well and understands what winning players look like even when they aren’t putting up big stats, and an organization that just got really lucky on their plethora of lottery picks.
The results speak for themselves. One organization built a perennial powerhouse going on a decade of success, and the other is flailing madly as it tries desperately to cling to a playoff spot after just three seasons with zero post season success.
PromisedLand
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i don't think hunter bends over and gives out such ridiculous deals. on top of that hunter would have had the foresight to get the deals done sooner instead of waiting till the "tavares" effect showed up on both matthews and marners stats
hunter is a seasoned guy who knows his hockey; dubas is one of those guys who "lucked" into a job
Canadian Finn
Oskee Wee Wee
bahahaha no he is not
give your head a shake
it was not babs that put that muffen barrie on the roster or ceci
it was not babs that put hutch on this roster
CantLoseWithMatthews
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the market doesn't matter, only how he personally feels about players
Nithoniniel
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Irrelevant. PPG across the ELC weighed towards recency is the biggest driver of contract comparables, with sample size, position and goalscoring as big factors too. Matthews was ahead of Marner in PPG, is a center, and one of the best goalscorers in the league. That puts his comparables much higher than the playmaking winger.
I'm sure it's beyond you. I'm happy with my reasoning according to research done on the subject, and in line with what guys like Matt Cane said before he was hired by the Devils for his proficiency in this area. It also fits what Evolving-Wild does, and the correlation between their projections and contracts signed are staggering.
that is unfortunate
woops
Those 2 .5 PPG seasons you mentioned are irrelevant, Pastrnak made the league in his draft year because he was too good for the AHL at 18, Nylander wasn't even in the NHL for those 2 seasons except for 20 games in the 2nd year.
Suntouchable13
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Babcock won't last the season. They can't waste this season. Babcock is part of the problem. He can't get this team to play with any good structure.
no. A phone conference.
Still. Play til 11. Fly to Boston. Spend all day worrying about a legal case then playing?
that’s tough
Superstar
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The bad thing about these overpayments is they can't even get a back-up goalie that's capable of winning games while Andy is resting...wtf is that? Is the back-up goalie not important and not part of the team that he can't even afford an extra million to get one? The only reason Barrie is able to fit in the roster is because Sakic swallowed half of his current salary...Dubas is doing some major juggling because of his overpayments...he better be praying day and night that Sandin and Lily with their ELCs will be ready to play in the NHL next season...the defense will have a major overhaul after this season...and one of Johnsson and Kapanen might have to go if Mikheyev is getting resigned. Does this sound like a winning recipe to you? Do Matthews and Marner play goal and defense too?
yup
you fire babs now you are just telling these entitled over paid brats that it's ok to just quit after they got over payed.
7even
Offered and lost
Ryan Michaels
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Pretty sure he is just a huge Canadian player homer which I think is an absolutely ridiculous approach to players who are all part of our team. I mean this is some main boards quality Leaf trolling trash...
Canadian Finn
Oskee Wee Wee
take a god damned Advil then!
the passes this fanbase gives our "stars" is something special.
Chief Berube
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This team has made me lose the passion. I use to sit here so excited and jump up for every goal.. now I sit there waiting for us to blow it. I don't get excited I don't celebrate the way I use to... I won't ever miss a game but honestly this team at its current state is worse for me then the 2014-15 leafs... at least we expected it and did something about it. here we are same old crap and no one is doing anything about it. We gave up on Carlyle half way through the season... this year we gave up on Babcock walking into the season... we actually gave up on him last year mid year... half our team is different yet same giving up... it's a joke.
Nithoniniel
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Pittsburgh won two cups with Kessel one of their best players. He was the poster child for what people consider "not a player you win with."
Guess where Boston was when they were at this stage of their current build?
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