Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 3-2 in OT

[notDatsyuk]

Can you imagine putting up with this kind of crap for 67years and your still a leafs fan the worst kind of bdsm you can imagine

Those of us who have been Leafs fans for 67 years at least have four Cups to remember fondly.

 

[ToneDog]

When the Leafs get played physically they do not play as well, have seen this many times. Yet many posters always look at a players point totals only when adding to the Leafs and discount other contributions.
Case in point a Tanner Jeannot would bring huge physical play to the Leafs and would drop the gloves and do well whenever needed. Last night in LA he was a bowling ball drop guys on hits adding energy then when Brendan Lemieux collided with Nashville goalie in comes Tanner. But he only has 3 goals and 8 assists so he is not a valuable add in many posters mind.
But the reality not every player needs to be counted on for points.
The Leafs bottom 6 could be reshuffled as I don't see a whole lot of points coming from bottom 6 and Tanner would bring a hard game we currently lack

One guy won't do it but Iike Jeannot. It is 5 years into the Dubas era. He has all but gutted the team of any useful physical players. Too late to change course now IMO. Let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Gary Nylund]

1 loss and the trolls come out from the woodwork

Welcome back you miserable bunch!

Some people just love being miserable, you'd think from some of the comments that we're 24th overall instead of 4th.

Me I'm just waiting for the playoffs to start. Sucks that we get TB again in round 1 but nothing to do but suck it up and beat them this time.

 

[OldCraig71]

When the Leafs get played physically they do not play as well, have seen this many times. Yet many posters always look at a players point totals only when adding to the Leafs and discount other contributions.
Case in point a Tanner Jeannot would bring huge physical play to the Leafs and would drop the gloves and do well whenever needed. Last night in LA he was a bowling ball drop guys on hits adding energy then when Brendan Lemieux collided with Nashville goalie in comes Tanner. But he only has 3 goals and 8 assists so he is not a valuable add in many posters mind.
But the reality not every player needs to be counted on for points.
The Leafs bottom 6 could be reshuffled as I don't see a whole lot of points coming from bottom 6 and Tanner would bring a hard game we currently lack

You just wrote the recipe that will fix your team. Not every talented player wants to play like Wendell Clark or Doug Gilmour so you need bottom six guys that can counter opposing teams when the going gets tough. A guy like Jeannot could easily be moved up as protection for one of your top 4 guys if need be. In the playoffs a team needs to be able to win games in different ways but allowing your talented guys to be intimidated without any answer is a recipe for failure.

When we (habs) eliminated the Leafs in 21, it certainly wasn't because we could match you guys with talent or firepower. Carey Price was good yes but it was Weber, Chiarot and Perry that got in the heads of your best players and doubt set in and the series was lost.

Shanahan was a tough, gritty, talented player that won cups so it's confusing to many as to why the Leafs don't seem to value guys that contribute more than just points as you said.

 

[egd27]

You rang?

Yes, instead of passing the puck to our 4 elite forwards were going to take a lower percentage shot from the point and those guys are going to crash the net looking to jam in junk instead

An excellent use of high end talent

An analogy would be the poker player that never bluffs. If you know exactly what they are going to do it's easier to beat them over the the game. Sure they'll win a pot every now again, but their opponent knows what's coming and will adjust accordingly to minimize the damage.

 

[Shooter2x]

New day same old story of having a bum gm.

That is all.

 

[Gilmour1996]

I just don't get fans saying it doesn't matter what their record is in the regular season, it matters if they win in the playoffs. They can do both!

They have a responsibility to their fans to play hard in all games...that's who are paying their wages and buying their merchandise. Some of these fans drove all the way to Montreal to see this, including gas/meals/accommodations. A little respect for their fans and a little less self-preoccupation is in order. They need some mental training in how to stay focused, how to deal with adversity and how to respect those paying their wages. Need a hard-ass coach like Torts!

 

[ULF_55]

yea I am in a catch 22 for this

- I don't think trading huge assets is a good idea but at the same time...
- matthews and nylander are gonna be UFAs soon with no guarantees they will re-sign.

so what to do?

questions:
1) if we cannot re-sign them would we be able to trade them before July 1st? why? b./c their NTC/NMC kicks in
2) if we do re-sign them then what do we do as we are going to be up there with the cap with no cheap quality ELC coming in to help if we trade big assets
3) how much faith do we have in this team that it will go the distance if we traded big assets this season?

especially tough given we potentially have gm who is not going to be extended.

Tough situation to be in really. And quite frankly this is all Shanahan's fault

We have to keep in mind the Leafs are not the only team in the league that has players with expiring contracts.

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Austin Matthews
William Nylander
Sebastian Aho
Elias Lindholm
Mark Schiefele
...

Money and Cap Space are also assets.

Team will go on.

Lived without Matthews in the past and can live without him in the future.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Some people just love being miserable, you'd think from some of the comments that we're 24th overall instead of 4th.

Me I'm just waiting for the playoffs to start. Sucks that we get TB again in round 1 but nothing to do but suck it up and beat them this time.

Seems like the feeling is mutual with the team some nights

 

[notDatsyuk]

Dubas fans or not, he is not someone who jerks around people.
If there is a complain about sexual harassment in the work place, he won’t sweep it under the rug like Bowman in Chicago.
He is not someone who will sign good young player with questionable past like Neely and Sweeney and hope the rest of the team and the fans understand.
He is someone who will just fire the coach instead of hanging him out to dry for two months, and humiliate him before firing him like JR is doing with Bruce.

Like all GMs, he is going to make mistakes and will bet on the wrong horses but he doesn’t jerk around people like a lot of the GMs or Presidents in the league.

I think that's a bit naive.

We don't know how many sexual harrassment complaints he's successfully swept under the rug. It may well be none, but we have no way of knowing.

We don't know that he won't sign players with a questionable past. We only know that he hasn't, which could be just because he hasn't had the opportunity (or cap space).

We don't know how he would fire a coach, at least at the NHL level, because he hasn't yet.

 

[ULF_55]

I didn't watch all of it and then turned it off after this:


Did they pass the Cup around after?

 

[ACC1224]

I suspect Samsonov wished the team had more of a pulse last night.
How many times did he get run?

 

[ULF_55]

Those of us who have been Leafs fans for 67 years at least have four Cups to remember fondly.

But some of us had to watch Don Messers and join the game already in progress.

 

[Mr Bill Waters]

New day same old story of having a bum gm.

That is all.

don't blame the gm. he has put these guys in the best situitation to sucseed. it falls on the players laps now.

 

[notDatsyuk]

How does one explain this? If we're good enough to consistently beat the best in the league but routinely lose to the worst, that's got to be an issue that's between the collective ears of this group, right? Not exactly encouraging that things will be any different in the playoffs this year.

The encouraging part is that in the playoffs you are more likely to play the best rather than the worst (unless you're in the West).

 

[ToneDog]

We have to keep in mind the Leafs are not the only team in the league that has players with expiring contracts.

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Austin Matthews
William Nylander
Sebastian Aho
Elias Lindholm
Mark Schiefele
...

Money and Cap Space are also assets.

Team will go on.

Lived with Matthews in the past and can live without him in the future.

Don't you mean, Lived without Matthews in the past and can live without him in the future?

 

[PromisedLand]

Both Dubas and TB approach is similar and it comes down to recognizing the right type of players for the team. I said it long time ago even before TB winning the President’s trophy. For some reason, every year in the WJC, the players that lead those non traditional Hockey Nations always tend to be TB mid to late round picks. That’s something that any teams should try to do.

I still don’t think Dubas and others got it right yet, bc they have not done anything in the playoffs. Guys like AM, MM, JT and Willie needs to step up in the playoffs more than they had bc so far they had no success collectively and still can’t score those series winning goals. If Point, Stammer, Cirelli and Kuch switch places with AM, JT, MM and Willie, would the Leafs win a Cup even with the same caphit. I think the answer is yes even with Andersen and Campbell in net.

Now I am not saying Dubas is perfect or without fault but his ideas is really not far off bc TB is successful, just need the players to step up or the right players.

Don't agree. TB approach is different. TB changed the way they play and approach hockey under the same management and coach. There were not bought into a superficial ideal; they had an idea which didn't work so they changed it. They were not fixated on an ideology .

Dubas has an ideology and he isn't willing to budge. Heck Tampa trade Druin (back then he had value) to get a different look. what "big" trade has dubas made? Why is it when we get so called "tough " players they stop playing physical hockey when they play with the Leafs? I am not even making this up I think we have enough sample size for this.

No GM is perfect man; every GM makes mistakes but they learn and adapt or at least the good GMs do. its like waiting for the signal to turn green; you are stopped at the red and keep saying "turn green, turn green, turn green" eventually it does and then one claims "see I told you it will turn green"; I mean that was going to happen eventually.

If Leafs somehow get to 2nd round this season or next season or the season after that and hypothetically speaking Dubas is still GM then are the people going to claim that Leafs made the 2nd round due to Dubas?

I mean eventually by some luck/bounces/whatever... Leafs may make it to 2nd round; is it because of Dubas?

If the claim is that have patience Leafs will find a way eventually; then why does it has to be with Dubas? It can be with other GM who has a different outlook/model too.

Quite frankly IMO it boils down to the results. If Leafs had had any success under dubas especially in the playoffs I don't think we would even be having this conversation because nobody would be calling for Dubas' head.

 

[ULF_55]

I don't know why Tavares didn't try to change off.

And why they didn't force Nylander to stay on and and skate the puck.

I'd be more comfortable with Engvall out there than Tavares, not because he's a superior player, but because he can skate.

 

[PromisedLand]

We have to keep in mind the Leafs are not the only team in the league that has players with expiring contracts.

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Austin Matthews
William Nylander
Sebastian Aho
Elias Lindholm
Mark Schiefele
...

Money and Cap Space are also assets.

Team will go on.

Lived without Matthews in the past and can live without him in the future.

They are assets that were well taken care of by the leafs given the bonus salary structure, facilities leafs have, opportunity to make more revenue (adds, etc...)

So either these assets re-sign or we turn them into prospects/picks. I don't want to lose them for nothing. If that happens I am seriously gonna lose it.

Leafs management can't be this incompetent; right?

 

[ACC1224]

I wonder how many of these acceptable no show games a team like the Bruins has over the course of a season?

 

[PromisedLand]

I don't know why Tavares didn't try to change off.

And why they didn't force Nylander to stay on and and skate the puck.

I'd be more comfortable with Engvall out there than Tavares, not because he's a superior player, but because he can skate.

Tavares should swallow his pride, understand he isn't good enough to play center anymore and switch to wing.

 

[geo25]

I think that's a bit naive.

We don't know how many sexual harrassment complaints he's successfully swept under the rug. It may well be none, but we have no way of knowing.

We don't know that he won't sign players with a questionable past. We only know that he hasn't, which could be just because he hasn't had the opportunity (or cap space).

We don't know how he would fire a coach, at least at the NHL level, because he hasn't yet.

We do know that indirectly he had an influence on Babcock's firing so he could hire his Soo coach & we do know for a fact that he favours ex Soo players. In retrospect he'd make an excellent Asst GM in charge of drafting....as a GM, he deserves to be Fired along with Shanahan who always seems to be missing in action...

 

[ULF_55]

They are assets that were well taken care of by the leafs given the bonus salary structure, facilities leafs have, opportunity to make more revenue (adds, etc...)

So either these assets re-sign or we turn them into prospects/picks. I don't want to lose them for nothing. If that happens I am seriously gonna lose it.

Leafs management can't be this incompetent; right?

That's a Poll question right?

Trade Matthews before July 1, 2023
or
Negotiate during the 2023-2024 season

They are the only two options available to the team.

 

[All Mod Cons]

That's a Poll question right?

Trade Matthews before July 1, 2023
or
Negotiate during the 2023-2024 season

They are the only two options available to the team.

Third option - Let him walk as a UFA at the end of his deal. We've been doing this for years.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Lol. The meltdowns on here after a 3v3 OT loss are always funny.