Post-Game Talk: Leafs Lose 3-2 In OT

[Gabriel426]

If it is up to me....

Either this team make it to conference final or I am looking for a new GM and moving one of the core players not names Matthews out.

Great minds think alike, lol.

To me, this team will start winning when they are free from the JT’s contract. I have been a fan of JT and by no means is he a bad player bc I think he is a top 10 C in the league but he needs to play with more fire and actually lead the team. Funny thing is that he really only started to not lead the team when he got the C. Maybe Leafs C is a curse.

 

[Hockey Crazy]

It boggles my mind that some posters can watch this sport every day and not understand that luck is involved in the result of every game and that the better team loses way more often in hockey than any other major sport.

We played great and lost in OT. Its fine.

I am worried about Hyman and the fact that Campbell might not be a viable starter option... could also be a slump. Hope he can bounce back.

 

[All Mod Cons]

WTF are you going on about our whole team is a team full of wankers that refuse to hit or battle but fancy pants skill guys. Other than three guys one who is ancient, one who returned from a 6 week injury and one who just got a knee injury, the bulk of rest are all your skill and somewhat talent guys that don't battle hard enough and barely believe in body contact, our goal tending has been abysmal which does not help.
I don't know who the slower skater is weather its Muzzin or Thornton and Reilly is making more dumber plays than a slew full of Jake Gardiners but lets blame this all on the grit guys one who hasn't even played a game for us yet and Simmonds who is struggling finding where he left off and Hyman who is a line king just got hurt.

He's blaming fans for the Leafs issues. Firstly it was Lou. Then Mike, briefly back to Lou, a smattering of Kadri, then Freddy and now the fans. At no point should Kyle be questioned.

 

[PromisedLand]

After hyman went down and no leaf did anything I knew the leafs would lose embarassingly... The first place team Colorado right now, look what happened the last two games when teams take cheap shots... This is why the leafs never win, they might have the same talent but they don't have the same emotion. The players on that team aren't worried about getting penalties or getting injured in a fight




This is what toronto wont get with this team

This is why I love Mack. He doesn't take shit from no one. That team doesn't wuss out either.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

It boggles my mind that some posters can watch this sport every day and not understand that luck is involved in the result of every game and that the better team loses way more often in hockey than any other major sport.

We played great and lost in OT. Its fine.

I am worried about Hyman and the fact that Campbell might not be a viable starter option... could also be a slump. Hope he can bounce back.

 

[fahad203]

This is why I love Mack. He doesn't take shit from no one. That team doesn't wuss out either.

Same with Crosby, he's very fiesty too. He may not win the fight but he knows how to fight back and stick it to you
Malkin does drop the gloves and hits back and hits hard

 

[wingman75]

I really dont think dubas has what it takes to make a gutsy move for the betterment of the team. if leafs lose again in the 1st round that will be his 3rd exit early... 2 in 1st rounds and 1 they did not even make the playoffs

Keefe has to make some adjustments too IMO; the greenlight to the D to jump in and pinch especially when leading in teh game with less than 5 mins to go in a period is really stupid

I still think Dubas gets to make the move if it involves one of the core. Those are 'his' guys. If they do lose in the 1st round, and nothing I have seen tells me they won't, that has to be the direction. If he refuses, then I agree, move on to someone who will make the tough play.

Also agree, a lot of poor situational play. I think many of our players are not as high hockey IQ gifted as we wish. Soooo many needless turnovers, soooo many needless pinches.

 

[Gabriel426]

Re

member the time TSN blew up the puck the size of the moon at the world championships? The tech is there to do it for years and sportsnet can’t. Crooked station. I can’t stand them.

Even if the technology can show the puck went in and the Leafs win. The team still should not make it this close.

 

[3blizzard4]

Colorado doesn't shy away from rough stuff that's for sure. Nor does Vegas. Certainly not Boston. Washington gets involved with physical stuff, Tampa Bay too. Islanders, Hurricanes, and Penguins as well. Funny how out of all the contending level teams, of which the Leafs are alleged to be, Toronto is the only one that goes out of their way to not participate in any physicality. Fights, scrums, hell even big hits are at a premium with this team.

I guarantee you someone in head office did some "energy saved" calculations from avoiding scrums and fights and passed it on to Dubas.

That is the only explanation why they don't get involved.

Someone needs to do a "give a damn" calculation for this team.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Well, Leaf Killer Skilliter was an official tonight but they really shouldn't have let it get to that point. It's all on the Leafs.

I’m fine that we won. I wouldn’t be so mild if it were for a playoff position we were fighting for. There is another angle of the goal posted in post #415 on Page #14 also. It’s clearly in. I’m not mad at the team. This league and their obvious game fixing is who i will be directing my vileness at ha

 

[Gabriel426]

I still think Dubas gets to make the move if it involves one of the core. Those are 'his' guys. If they do lose in the 1st round, and nothing I have seen tells me they won't, that has to be the direction. If he refuses, then I agree, move on to someone who will make the tough play.

Also agree, a lot of poor situational play. I think many of our players are not as high hockey IQ gifted as we wish. Soooo many needless turnovers, soooo many needless pinches.

If they lose the 1st round, Reilly will be trade and one if not both of Marner and Willie will
be gone too.

 

[PromisedLand]

Great minds think alike, lol.

To me, this team will start winning when they are free from the JT’s contract. I have been a fan of JT and by no means is he a bad player bc I think he is a top 10 C in the league but he needs to play with more fire and actually lead the team. Funny thing is that he really only started to not lead the team when he got the C. Maybe Leafs C is a curse.

I think JT is just a captain for namesake. Don't think anybody listens to him. Keefe needs to grow some balls and separate Marner and Matthews IMO

Eventually this is a team sport. If things are not working out for the team we gotta change it. This is a Toronto Maple Leafs club not "you do what you feel like it" club.

 

[TeddyBare]

How is possible to have 5 or 6 players on this roster who are ELITE at zone entries 5v5

but once they get on the PP they literally think the blue-line is a wall????????

I for the life of me dont get it

 

[fahad203]

I still think Dubas gets to make the move if it involves one of the core. Those are 'his' guys. If they do lose in the 1st round, and nothing I have seen tells me they won't, that has to be the direction. If he refuses, then I agree, move on to someone who will make the tough play.

Also agree, a lot of poor situational play. I think many of our players are not as high hockey IQ gifted as we wish. Soooo many needless turnovers, soooo many needless pinches.

It really started with the coaching to be honest. Giving Keefe the role of a coach of a young supertstar and franchise like the Leafs was too much. This is a hard market for any coach let alone a rookie coach. I don't care what he has done with Calder Cup

Then the problem was also letting Dubas be the GM. When was the last time a young rookie GM really worked out for this team?

 

[ITM]

How's that different from any other year?

Last year Matthews was almost going to win the Richard
We were in the middle to top of the pack in our division

Set an NHL record? yeah so did Potvin and Price. Both as legit starters with a lesser talented teams. Not being sheltered every 2 games

You want to know who else owns few records ? Andrew Raycroft with most wins in a season as Leafs for a while

Well, there's club records and then there's league records. So I do want to know who else owns a few records in so far as the examples remain contextually relevant. The context isn't so much the record(s) as it is the appropriate perspective against the balance of the season's success or failure. Raycroft matters as much in either context as Freddie Modin might in that they're not exactly equivocal to what Campbell just did on the team he did, in the present. And the point is the team, this team. If you want to compare the club Raycroft was on versus the present, then...present the comparison. Present that team's standings, points leaders, notables, etc, etc...It's not a good comparison in the least. It's a very bad comparison in fact. It's so bad in fact that it raises questions as to whether you actually experienced the season or verified it before pulling it out as an argumentative hammer.

You do realize the team Raycroft played on finished 18th overall that year, right? You've used two examples in inverted ways to counter my argument that you apparently didn't get. Potvin's season(s) were comparable BECAUSE of the teams he played on and the success anticipated/enjoyed. Raycroft...never was and that team was a point of frustration and a signal that Sundin's era was closing. Not the same thing, at all.

So, I'm not so sure you should be allowed to continue representing the Nay side if you can't distinguish the Maple Leafs teams Raycroft played on from Felix Potvin's to our current fledgling contenders. That hockey team that Potvin played on was a fantastic club. There was nothing lesser about it. It's the best team I've seen in my life having not seen a Cup. And if you don't think Leafs Nation was on fire for that club, then, I think you need to come clean and go back to the Buffalo or Ottawa portion of HFBoards, because you don't argue like a serious, informed Leafs fan.

 

[wingman75]

what did Kelly say?

I don't remember exactly, I was rage complaining to my wife who was feverishly ignoring me.

He made a comment calling them out, that made me happy.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

I am one of them. I been screaming for this team to be a bit tougher and meaner
Grow some balls

So I told you all Leafs fans. I told you so. Lack of balls is going to get us again. We need lots of big big balls

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Even if the technology can show the puck went in and the Leafs win. The team still should not make it this close.

I’m incensed that this team keeps getting jobbed by the league when it is on video evidence in this thread we scored and they stole it from us with 20 seconds left.

They are wrecking our sport.

 

[Gabriel426]

This is why I love Mack. He doesn't take shit from no one. That team doesn't wuss out either.

To think he once struggled so much that he was played in RW and overpaid. Pretty sure even a straight up of JVR for Mack was actually possible, lol.

 

[wingman75]

If they lose the 1st round, Reilly will be trade and one if not both of Marner and Willie will
be gone too.

Marner would be the one I move for two reasons, he makes a lot of coin and we could use it elsewhere, and he would garner the best return. He would 100% tear up the league and prob lead it in points sometime after leaving us, but such is the cost of trying to evolve the team.

I am torn on Rielly, he can be so good and effective so often, and then sometimes he looks like a lost dog scurrying around looking for his owner. If we could replace him with another Brodie (whoever that is), I'd be fine letting him go.

 

[Gabriel426]

I think JT is just a captain for namesake. Don't think anybody listens to him. Keefe needs to grow some balls and separate Marner and Matthews IMO

Eventually this is a team sport. If things are not working out for the team we gotta change it. This is a Toronto Maple Leafs club not "you do what you feel like it" club.

Yep. One of the ideas I thought Keefe would try was separating the 11mil players into three lines and see if they could elevate other players.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Colorado doesn't shy away from rough stuff that's for sure. Nor does Vegas. Certainly not Boston. Washington gets involved with physical stuff, Tampa Bay too. Islanders, Hurricanes, and Penguins as well. Funny how out of all the contending level teams, of which the Leafs are alleged to be, Toronto is the only one that goes out of their way to not participate in any physicality. Fights, scrums, hell even big hits are at a premium with this team.

We have a very skilled team, but I feel like our skilled guys are like "okay we have Simmonds and other players to handle the rough stuff". Sure you don't have to be a Rover like OV, but damn atleast when a scrum breaks out go pick a man, and when a dirty play occurs do something about it. Hate to say it but we have a lot of weak little s**** on our team. Very skilled but after 4 years of first round exits/not making the playoffs I'm not convinced they can play physical playoff hockey.

 

[flying v 604]

It's equally pathetic that this is Vancouver's Stanley Cup. They are a poverty franchise that will also never win a cup anytime soon

You really wanna go there bud? Take loss with grace.

 

[Gabriel426]

I’m incensed that this team keeps getting jobbed by the league when it is on video evidence in this thread we scored and they stole it from us with 20 seconds left.

They are wrecking our sport.

No doubt about it but at the same time, Leafs should have finished this team in the 1st period.

 

[PromisedLand]

To think he once struggled so much that he was played in RW and overpaid. Pretty sure even a straight up of JVR for Mack was actually possible, lol.

if only.....

Mack trained with Crosby and changed his outlook and approach to the game. His work ethic is went through the roof and ponits started to pour in and his emotion is infectious. when your best player is the hardest worker on the team then the rest of the team has to put in that work.

Marchand's fortunes changed to after he started working out with Crosby. Marchand's game changed he is still a RAT but his work ethic is not questionable