Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 3-2 | BREAK UP MATTHEWS AND MARNER!

[wingman75]

What we get from this team is so middling but people will always find reasons to let the core guys off the hook. They haven't been the same since Daylight Savings ended. Maybe the humidity levels are wrong at the rink. Have you even checked the PH levels in the Chicago tap water. It was Black Friday yesterday. It's a Leap Year next year.

Right... again, any excuse!

People laying blame on the goaltenders bothers me too. No, they have not been as good as the team needs, but neither have the players and that is more concerning to me.

The absolute loser give aways and lack of coverage we see puts the goalies in a tough spot... wish they would bail them out, but right now it is on the skaters to tighten things up.

We saw it again tonight on the 2nd goal, just soft, pointless (or was it purposeless).

 

[ToneDog]

Graduating from a JOKE like Brock U; and then landing all the way into a multi billion dollar organization; given the key to its most important money maker out of nowhere

if that isn't lucky I don't know what is

Slimeball but he did well for himself. More a good bullshitter than lucky.

 

[horner]

Auston Matthews is a player with Top 2-3 ability, dogged effort level meets ideal pro frame, can back a defense with speed, a scary shot arsenal, who has come to a lazy cruise control of Top 20-ish player.

Unpredictable effort and engagement level shift to shift. Sometimes he's a power guy who wants to lead by example. Other times he's impersonating a 5'11" skill center afraid of traffic and defers the shot like he's an equal with Marner. Sometimes he wants to be defensively dogged, block shots and penalty kill. Other shifts he's a out for a pleasure skate. Just wasting his abilities and seems to be less and less serious as a player as time goes on.

Marner is awful. Sometimes reminds me of the James Harden quote, I'm not a system player, I am the system. How undisciplined do you have to be to belly flop multiple times on poke checks at opposite ends on the same shift?.

I have always thought mathews was a head case just worried about setting a new standard for nhl contracts

He played like crap last yr to.

With the fans it is going to start to wear thin ice isn't a top player.

 

[Stephen]

Right... again, any excuse!

People laying blame on the goaltenders bothers me too. No, they have not been as good as the team needs, but neither have the players and that is more concerning to me.

The absolute loser give aways and lack of coverage we see puts the goalies in a tough spot... wish they would bail them out, but right now it is on the skaters to tighten things up.

We saw it again tonight on the 2nd goal, just soft, pointless (or was it purposeless).

Tonight, Rielly looked strong and engaged, the 2nd Line showed a lot of life in a losing effort, not productive but whatever. Woll was beatable but credible in net. I even find Lagesson and Benoit to be serviceable in what they're supposed to be doing in their roles. They aren't costing us. Knies and Robertson both gave their lines a lot of energy.

It's just why do we always have to treat Matthews with kid gloves? He and Marner stink.

 

[PromisedLand]

Slimeball but he did well for himself. More a good bullshitter than lucky.

Its Nepotism manifest into "luck"

Just look at how he got his first job out of school. Had nothing to do with merit...

 

[djdev]

sounds like it was a good decision not to watch lol. this team just isnt fun anymore after the years and years of being exactly the same and not learning literally anything lol.

 

[horner]

I have been silent on Keefe.

I honestly believe Matthews and Marner care about winning. None of us know the expectations Keefe has laid out for them.

It is obvious both are struggling with confidence and are not playing anywhere near close to what the Leafs need them to be.

If Keefe has gone to them and told them to simplify their game and stop trying to make everything a highlight reel then it is on him for not benching them for not listening.

If he isn't, it is on him for not figuring out how to get through to them.

Not to take any fault away from Matthews and Marner, but you need a coach to help you deal with adversity, set guidelines and make sure they are followed through.

Mathews gives up on plays
You watch JT and it is night and day

Mathews has never busted his ass

 

[TonsofPuppies]

I have always thought mathews was a head case just worried about setting a new standard for nhl contracts

He played like crap last yr to.

With the fans it is going to start to wear thin ice isn't a top player.

Honestly, everyone should have caught on to who Matthews and Marner are as people and what their priorities are the moment they signed their contracts - and I'm not even talking about the absurd amounts, which were higher than all their NHL comparables. I'm talking about the absurdity of having .93 and .34 in their contracts. Lmao. Absolutely child-like and cringe inducing.

 

[wingman75]

Tonight, Rielly looked strong and engaged, the 2nd Line showed a lot of life in a losing effort, not productive but whatever. Woll was beatable but credible in net. I even find Lagesson and Benoit to be serviceable in what they're supposed to be doing in their roles. They aren't costing us. Knies and Robertson both gave their lines a lot of energy.

It's just why do we always have to treat Matthews with kid gloves? He and Marner stink.

Rielly has been engage since the season started. Other than Nylander, he has been our best and most consistent player I feel.

2nd line was very good again, and probably unlucky to not score more than they did.

Lagesson I like, Benoit is not really and NHLer to me... way to slow, and doesn't move the puck well... but not costing us as you say, have to agree there. Timmins is getting back up to speed which will be helpful. We miss Timmy on the backend something fierce.

Woll and Samsonov have been mirror images of each other for a while. Average minus, and if either played average plus we would have won both games this weekend imo, despite the other issues.

Agree on Knies and Robertson... would have liked to see Robertson get more ice time tonight.

As for the kid gloves, it is okay that Marner and Matthews are not playing well, but lets not pretend they are not. Split them up, or take away some of their PP time... if they can't handle that, fck'em. They need to grow some balls anyway.

 

[Ho Lee Mackinaw]

Bertuzzi Tavares Nylander
Knies Matthews Jarnkrok
Robertson Domi Marner
McMann Kampf Gregor

I appreciate the optimism. But shuffling the lines might be just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

 

[PromisedLand]

I don't even......

 

[Jojalu]

Mathews gives up on plays
You watch JT and it is night and day

Mathews has never busted his ass

When he leads most Leaf forwards in blocked shots, hits, goals every year I am gping to have to disagree.

Tavares isn't as talented as Matthews so he has to work differently than Matthews. It doesn't mean Matthews isn't working

 

[LeafalCrusader]

I appreciate the optimism. But shuffling the lines might be just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

It will at least help my sanity not seeing Marner buggering up the top line for a bit.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

I don't even......

awful coach. just fire him already.

 

[PromisedLand]

I don't even......

Some context for this tweet

Jon Cooper had benched Stamkos/Kucherov/Point for an entire period b/c they sucked ass

Bednar benched Mack and Rantanen when they sucked

Trotz benched Ovi when he sucked

but of course Keefe is above them all isn't it?

 

[LeafalCrusader]

I don't even......

It was Shanny that made him walk back his comments last year not Dubas wasn't it?

Joke of an organization.

 

[BallardEra]

I don't even......

Keefe might as well ask MLSE to add a new sponsor to the Leafs jerseys:

 

[BrannigansLaw]

I don't even......

This whole organization is packed to the brim with little bitch energy.

Of course Marner isn’t frustrated. The only thing he gets frustrated at is the media when they call him out for playing like a turd.

 

[Dragao6]

Honestly, everyone should have caught on to who Matthews and Marner are as people and what their priorities are the moment they signed their contracts - and I'm not even talking about the absurd amounts, which were higher than all their NHL comparables. I'm talking about the absurdity of having .93 and .34 in their contracts. Lmao. Absolutely child-like and cringe inducing.

This is funny thank you

And hopefully treiliving is reading this forum and offers nylander 10x8.8M

 

[ChurchOfMatthews]

Can we get the "Fire Keefe" chant going next home game? It's time.

 

[Dragao6]

I don't even......

Or until you get fired bud lol

Just a guy that should have been fired last year, that’s the troubling part is not his bad coaching but those that continue to trust him

 

[PromisedLand]

Right... again, any excuse!

People laying blame on the goaltenders bothers me too. No, they have not been as good as the team needs, but neither have the players and that is more concerning to me.

The absolute loser give aways and lack of coverage we see puts the goalies in a tough spot... wish they would bail them out, but right now it is on the skaters to tighten things up.

We saw it again tonight on the 2nd goal, just soft, pointless (or was it purposeless).

The defensive coverage is a JOKE. most of it is on forwards not back checking

and

forwards also blow the zone not giving enough outs for d-men to make plays and they have to make hail mary stretch passes

if its the system coaching has to take the blame; and if its not the system then players have to take the blame and the GM has to either change the coach or change the forward(s) in a shake-up to get things going here.

 

[ULF_55]

awful coach. just fire him already.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Not much left to say. Goaltender leaked a bad goal (Acciari), defence with another gift (Brodie), coach who can’t coach, 2 $11 million players playing like $2 million players, and a defensive zone specialist who can’t win face offs (Kampf). Add to that a lack of consistent 60 minute effort and there you go.

Matthews and Marner are not learning that you have to be engaged every time you’re on the ice. Their lack of focus and effort shows a disrespect to their fans given what they’re earning. Best players on the ice with consistent effort were Knies and Robertson.

 

[myleafs]

I'm not the type to rant and rave after every close loss... "Trade the core 4 for picks, we suck herp derp". But here we are...US Thanksgiving almost a quarter way in and we're...meh. Its time for Keefe to go. I think he's lost the room and his in game decisions are sub par at best. Tre has given him enough rope but it's not working. We need a Bond villain to show us the way from here on in...

Id like to see Gallant, at least short term