Post-Game Talk: Leafs Lose 3-1 To VGK

[notbias]

I have no idear what you just wrote at all it is like you wrote in mandarin to me .. it is completely useless to hockey guys .. but I do realize some of you are stats people who are pioneering analytics with Dubie .. in another 20+years I am sure hockey analytics will develop and it will be tied to hockey skills in a meaningful way where hockey people can understand it and make meaningful on ice changes .. but bottom line until Matty and JT start to control da game this team will continue to struggle .. Matty can't be gassed going back hard into his own end to play defense and then has NO gas to turn around for his offensive foray on his 30 second shift

You have no idea what I wrote? haha

 

[saffronleaf]

We seriously lack depth. That 3rd line is soft as butter and on top of that there are no finishing skills what so ever

Jason Spezza was slow as snail, but you can always count on him to make plays and contribute. Losing Mikayev as well is hurting us.

We used to be known for our speed. But we don't have that anymore
We used to known for scoring goals, we don't have that anymore

We have essentially become a very average team



I missed the 3rd period. What happened?

wasn't really clear what happened. sandin shot from the point. not sure if it directly hit jt but maybe. he collapsed and needed help getting off the ice went to dressing room no weight put on leg.

many were speculating fracture and stuff given how he fell and writhed in pain and couldn't put weight.

but then he was back on the ice to finish the game.

jt for whatever faults he has is not the type to embellish, so it wasn't that.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

1st line looks disjointed, need to put Willie with 34 and have Marner setting up JT. Whole team needs an enema

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Rielly's been on the ice for either as many or more 5v5 goals against as 10 teams. Unfortunately he's terrible defensively and one of the biggest problems with the team

 

[Ambassador Bridge]

1st line looks disjointed, need to put Willie with 34 and have Marner setting up JT. Whole team needs an enema

Time to get rid of Reilly too. Has no shot from the point, does not hit in his zone, and that drop pass on the power play is useless. So predictable.

 

[Racer88]

Why do we have to go thru this same thing every year……….they are unprepared to start the season and generally unprepared to start way to many games.
this is total nonsense and really needs to be addressed.

 

[Jozay]

Sounds like I slept thru the right game

 

[saffronleaf]

maybe it's time for the look each other in the eyes and look in the mirror ritual

 

[Fogelhund]

Rielly's been on the ice for either as many or more 5v5 goals against as 10 teams. Unfortunately he's terrible defensively and one of the biggest problems with the team

That's the way it's always been, and we've never truly found the right partner for him. Brodie covered up for him for a bit, but now either Rielly has become worse defensively, or Brodie isn't capable of covering for him any longer.

He's got a NMC, which would severely impact our ability to move him, even if Management decided it was the right thing to do. Few teams have the cap room, and those that do, I can't believe Mo would accept a trade to. I think our hands are tied here, which really sucks. Happily trade him to Arizona for Chychrun... but I have no idea who adds. I mean, if we could do that straight up, and then find a RHD replacement for Muzzin, like a Murphy/Mayfield/... etc... that could go a long way into helping us.

But I don't think it would go over very well trading him, even though it might be the right thing to do. I mean we either do that, or finally go out and find a true shutdown partner who can babysit him.

 

[egd27]

Time to get rid of Reilly too. Has no shot from the point, does not hit in his zone, and that drop pass on the power play is useless. So predictable.

Doubt it

 

[1specter]

Florida might be better than I thought with Maurice

Yeah I didn't even bother mentioning Florida and Tampa because it's obvious that they are playoff teams IMO.

 

[leafan11]

The leafs back end is a complete tire fire. They don’t have enough dman that can transition the puck. They really really miss Lilly. Holl needs to be waived he’s no longer an NHL defenseman, they fact he’s playing as a #4 is extremely concerning.

 

[Nineteen67]

Yeah, never know, but probably not any 115 point teams in the Atlantic this year.

Yeah I didn't even bother mentioning Florida and Tampa because it's obvious that they are playoff teams IMO.

 

[Nineteen67]

The leafs back end is a complete tire fire. They don’t have enough dman that can transition the puck. They really really miss Lilly. Holl needs to be waived he’s no longer an NHL defenseman, they fact he’s playing as a #4 is extremely concerning.

The 3rd goal sums up how bad they can be with decisions.

 

[Beaumaris]

3 struggling west coast teams upcoming. They should go 3-0 and right the ship. Should.

LOL!! Just like we did to the Habs,and Arizona

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Serious question: what is this team's identity? That was a very uninspiring loss last night by a team that doesn't seem to have any direction or game plan. They used to be defined as a young talented core but that's not what they are anymore. Who are they now?

 

[notDatsyuk]

2nd line (with Malgin for 4 games and Robertson for 3): 10 goals in 7 games.
Matthews/Marner/Bunting: 4 goals.
Kampf/Kerfoot/Jarnkrok: 4 goals.

Bunting has still met expectations because he has had some really nice assists (and has more goals than Matthews and Marner right now), but we are playing Matthews and Marner 22 minutes a night and they have 2 goals in 7 games combined. That is how many goals Kampf has alone, and he plays almost half the minutes and they are almost all in the defensive end... With ZAR, NAK, Clifford, and Simmonds as his linemates.

We still need to tinker with that bottom 6 and get Malgin back in there especially, but this team starts dominating games when our top line starts producing like our top line.

If you look at ES, it's quite a different story.

MB, AM, and MM - 4G, 11A
DM/NR, JT, and WN - 5G, 11A

The real difference is the PP, where JT and WN have 5 of the 6 goals (Kerfoot the other).

I'm not against some top 6 juggling, but I'm not ready to panic. Matthews in particular is getting chances, and will start scoring.

My biggest concern is the way most of our players go after a 50/50 puck. We go in stick-first while the other guy goes in body-first. Guess who wins the puck?

Samsonov, Nylander, Tavares, and Sandin were our best players.

 

[justashadowof]

To be fair I often drop the suggestion that a player is playing hurt when we see him like not taking shots, skating poorly or avoiding contact. Perhaps Engvall has come back too early and is avoiding contact to protect his ankle injury. Not that he's ever been that keen about contact and if he's injured he shouldn't be playing in October, the team has bodies.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

You have no idea what I wrote? haha

It is nothing personal I just don't think any of these x stat data points provide anything useful at this point in their pioneering history .. that is why i said it was mandarin to me .. and if it mandarin to me then you might as well be writing swahelli to Keefer .. it is pretty much Dubie and his spreadsheet guys who have da slightest clue (and even they say publicly it is a developing issue in hockey) .. guys in room incl Keefer don't have da foggiest clue .. there is such a massive disconnect between analytics types and hockey people it is truly frightening

 

[supermann_98]

3 struggling west coast teams upcoming. They should go 3-0 and right the ship. Should.

I respect the optimism but don't share the opinion. They (maybe) show up for 2 of those 3 games and even in those games they'll skate around the O-zone but struggle to score because no one has the guts to drive the net

 

[Nineteen67]

Serious question: what is this team's identity? That was a very uninspiring loss last night by a team that doesn't seem to have any direction or game plan. They used to be defined as a young talented core but that's not what they are anymore. Who are they now?

Matthews and Marner put up points and blemishes are covered.

 

[MSZ]

Watched the Raptors game and then Switched channels to the Leafs game right after it ended.

The difference in effort levels, execution, and player engagement is staggering, absolutely night and day.

The Raptors were missing the leagues rookie of the year from last year, had some players struggling to hit their shots, but they grinded out a tough road win over a good team after spending a few days in Miami.

These Leafs are who we all thought they are, no changes to the core, no changes to the lack of effort to start the game (and every period thereafter). It’s shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic basically expecting that to prevent it from sinking again.

One team still have that championship DNA, the other team simply don't know how to grind out a win out of a tight checking game comes clinching moment.

 

[ULF_55]

It is nothing personal I just don't think any of these x stat data points provide anything useful at this point in their pioneering history .. that is why i said it was mandarin to me .. and if it mandarin to me then you might as well be writing swahelli to Keefer .. it is pretty much Dubie and his spreadsheet guys who have da slightest clue (and even they say publicly it is a developing issue in hockey) .. guys in room incl Keefer don't have da foggiest clue .. there is such a massive disconnect between analytics types and hockey people it is truly frightening

x-stats can be interesting but they're historical and irrelevant since accomplishing something is better than almost accomplishing something.

Trying and succeeding is better than trying and failing which is better than not trying.

Using x-stats to excuse failure doesn't change failure into success.

Succeeding of course is the goal.

 

[Dekes For Days]

x-stats can be interesting but they're historical and irrelevant since accomplishing something is better than almost accomplishing something.

Trying and succeeding is better than trying and failing which is better than not trying.

Using x-stats to excuse failure doesn't change failure into success.

Succeeding of course is the goal.

Nobody uses expected stats to excuse failure. People utilize expected stats to identify the reasons for the failure. Understanding the reasons for failure assists in succeeding in the future.

 

[Clyde Brewer]

That's the way it's always been, and we've never truly found the right partner for him. Brodie covered up for him for a bit, but now either Rielly has become worse defensively, or Brodie isn't capable of covering for him any longer.

He's got a NMC, which would severely impact our ability to move him, even if Management decided it was the right thing to do. Few teams have the cap room, and those that do, I can't believe Mo would accept a trade to. I think our hands are tied here, which really sucks. Happily trade him to Arizona for Chychrun... but I have no idea who adds. I mean, if we could do that straight up, and then find a RHD replacement for Muzzin, like a Murphy/Mayfield/... etc... that could go a long way into helping us.

But I don't think it would go over very well trading him, even though it might be the right thing to do. I mean we either do that, or finally go out and find a true shutdown partner who can babysit him.

Who holds more trade value between Rielly and Chychrun?