Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 3-1; lose series

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Carolina's analytics genius has a BA in Physics and Chemistry from Harvard, and a PHD in Chemistry from California-Berkley. Ours has a Brock Sports Management degree.
Meanwhile Lou just knows hockey -- more than any of these kids with their swanky degrees. What does a BA in Chemistry have to do with winning a Stanley Cup? We had a man in the organization who has PROVEN he can build a winner and we let him go because Shanahan thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. Lou leaves, goes to the Island, and immediately loses his captain and best player (Tavares). What does he do? Bring in a Cup-winning coach and ends up having the best back-to-back seasons in recent Islanders history. Right now Lou is tied 1-1 in the 2nd round against the Bruins and Shanny and Dubas disappointed again. Maybe because they are more concerned with college degrees and spreadsheets than NHL experience.
 
I hope they enjoy their North Division Championship banner raising. It's one of a kind. Cherish it boys.
Never raise loser banners. I hated the Raps "division championship" banners and felt they should be abolished once we got a real title.
 
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6 shots in one period in a game 7? Coming into a series with half the team injured, then adding in the "much better" injured players and somehow looking worse and losing? Two straight playoff appearances with a "team built for the playoffs" and losing in the first round in less than 7? Blowing the 4-1 lead in Boston?

nope. For sure there have been crappy individual games.

but not a 9 period collapse against the worst qualifying playoff team in hockey.
 
I return to a familiar hell with the boys in this forum.

Different year same story, the same family supporting the same team.

The players, coaches, GM's all change but we are still here.

Good Knight Leaf warriors, every year we show more heart than the men on the ice. See you next year.
Night, man. We'll fill these boards with hilarious one liners again next season. I'm out for the summer too.

Peace all. Have a beauty summer
 
Legit, how are we supposed to enjoy the regular season next year? They could win the presidents trophy and it would mean shit all

With the teams going back to their regular divisions, I have a hard time seeing the leafs make the playoffs. Even though the panthers lost to tampa, they atleast played them really hard. Unlike this pos team.
 
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These last 2 years I honestly haven't cared that much. I've moved away from the Leafs and hockey somewhat, that this is just meh to me. When we blew game 5 I knew this was over. I didn't even watch this game. Big changes need to happen. I'm not surprised a ton of people are blaming Dubas when 2 top 10 regular season players decided to not show up all series its somehow his fault but whatever. People are going to waste their entire summers whining on this board so good luck to you guys.
 
The worst part about some of the post game sound bites is how the core guys don’t see any parallels between previous elimination game no shows and tonight. If you watch the intensity level of their last 10 minute “push” they look like a random sampling of any NHL playoff game around the league. Simply put they have no idea what kind of game the playoffs look like to this very day.
You could tell this in Reilly’s pre game interview. He was so nonchalant. Just go out and have fun like any other game. Wtf.
 
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I think they all see it, but they're not going to admit it in an interview. It serves no purpose

Personally, I want to see a little self flagellation for a job poorly done once again, but I see your point.
 
Carolina's analytics genius has a BA in Physics and Chemistry from Harvard, and a PHD in Chemistry from California-Berkley. Ours has a Brock Sports Management degree.

Yes! Jesus, great point. Dubas looks intelligent with his smart outfit and thick glasses and strong public speaking - but his degree is half gym half business. I'd be shocked if he took more than one stats course or any advanced maths.
 
Meanwhile Lou just knows hockey -- more than any of these kids with their swanky degrees. What does a BA in Chemistry have to do with winning a Stanley Cup? We had a man in the organization who has PROVEN he can build a winner and we let him go because Shanahan thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. Lou leaves, goes to the Island, and immediately loses his captain and best player (Tavares). What does he do? Bring in a Cup-winning coach and ends up having the best back-to-back seasons in recent Islanders history. Right now Lou is tied 1-1 in the 2nd round against the Bruins and Shanny and Dubas disappointed again. Maybe because they are more concerned with college degrees than NHL experience.
My main point was, someone who has a physics degree from one of the top universities in the world, combined with a PHD in Chemistry from a top university in the United States probably has much greater insight in how analytics are constructed and how they are valued. Not saying he's the right choice. He also was on the cutting edge early on. I don't get where Dubas understands analytics at a high-enough level for it to be his selling point comes from.
 
I can't understand how two highly skilled players such as Marner and Matthews can dominate throughout the entire regular season. They may have had a game or two where they weren't at their best, but on most nights, they would make most teams in Canada look pretty weak.

Matthews put in a little bit more of an effort than Marner did, but he shouldn't be given a free pass. He wasn't very good either. He played great defensively, not what you need for this talent at 11m. He needs a Wendel, that is not necessarily his assignment.

How can two of the most offensively gifted players in the entire NHL get so scared in the playoffs? They looked like two lost souls out there swimming in a fishbowl, thank you to Pink Floyd for that one. Again, they need an enforcer. Simmonds was pathetic, at best.

It's not really a surprise to see Marner being invisible in the playoffs. The last several years, he's been pretty garbage in terms of offensive production in the playoffs. He is a showboat.. Why is he effective on the pk? he isn't worried about getting hit. Trade him. Asap.

I can't count how many times Marner gifted Montreal either an extremely good chance on goal or gifted them a goal like he did on the first one of theirs tonight.

I've always rallied behind Nylander. I always stood up for him when others were shitting him for holding back on more money. Keeper for sure. He actually has some salt.

He had more goals in seven games this series that our entire first line combined. No one should ever talk shit about him anymore. He's always going to be soft along the boards, but he definitely shows up when the games matter and plays with a lot of heart.

Keefe is a bad coach. You don't keep the same two players on the top line if they've failed to yield any offensive threat the entire series. Softie. Tired of the approach but I have no clue what goes on in the locker room, but it obviously does not inspire.

Not once did he take Marner off the first line and try to change it up.

That's just bad coaching all around. Even a peewee coach would have made a change long before game 7.

I can't believe some people are actually complaining about Jack Campbell. He was absolutely stellar the entire series. Who gives a f*** if he gave up a soft goal tonight, he had no run support. If you can't win a game and score more than one goal, then it certainly isn't your goaltender's fault.

Campbell, Nylander, Spezza and a very few select others are the only ones that really showed up this series.

Mikheyev and Simmonds are offensive black holes and bring absolutely nothing to this team. Total waste of ice time. Mik can at least kill penaties

Thornton was pretty crappy as well, getting so many minutes on the first Power Play unit, only an idiotic coach would make a decision like that. Total waste. Tired of feel good shit that doesn't work.

Sandin and Dermott cost of them game five and game six. Sandin is nowhere near ready, he doesn't have it yet. Dermott is overrated, can't stand him and never will be able to. Other options?

On a positive note, I didn't have to watch Andersen give up five goals a game in this series, so I guess that's the small silver lining?

At least no one can blame our Captain this season, feel bad for him. The bad part is that his play has been in decline the past few seasons at least in terms of goal scoring. his prime is definitely passed. Still like him though.

I'm hoping to see Mitch Marner being traded, can't believe I hear myself saying that or even typing it out. That's how I truly feel. PLEASE DO. But then he will go on to win several cups.

Leave Nylander alone. He's not the problem.

Will be interesting to see what they do in the off season. Not holding my breath.

We will see what this team is made of when they have to face American teams again next season, they won't have it as easy as they did last season.

Very disappointed in this team, bunch of chokers.
YEP
 
I think they all see it, but they're not going to admit it in an interview. It serves no purpose
They know and I have a feeling Marner knows he is might get traded this off season.
Campbell took it all on himself. It was a soft goal but his team didn’t show up the last three games.
AM’s post game was disappointment but he seems to be okay with it. He is the highest paid player on the team, and he was nowhere to be seen barring Game 2.
 
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I think they all see it, but they're not going to admit it in an interview. It serves no purpose

i honestly think it does.
i personally would have more respect for them if they were more open and honest. as it is right now it's too "meh. these things happen. next year is better"
 
So, we have a combined 6 draft picks in the next 2 seasons. For another first round exit. Isn't a tenet of analytics having more draft picks to increase your odds, but we probably have the least over the next 2 seasons? With nothing to show for it.
Also, what's our cap situation?
 
22 millions, 1 goal. a dozen picks, no output. dubas and keefe are done, shanahan should be, too.

this team wouldn't have gone anywhere near a cup anyway, so this embarrassing no-show might have the upside of giving the franchise no room for excuses.

rebuild failed. window closed. start again.
 
I think they all see it, but they're not going to admit it in an interview. It serves no purpose

I honestly don't think they see it. These kids still think they are getting paid $11 million a year to play a game. They don't realize they are expected to put in the real work to get their owners a return on their investment. The playoffs are a war -- a battle of attrition -- and these kids still haven't entered the war. As Steve Dangle accurately said tonight, "when is the organization going to test their blood to see if it's in their DNA?"

Matthews and Marner think it's just good enough to show up. It's not.
 
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Where are you getting this information?
Uh, the fact that before this whole "Lou is leaving Toronto" discussion even happened, the Islanders hired his son and there were whispers that Lou wanted out of his contract so he could go work with his son?
 
This logic is wrong and it's the same song from last series. "They lost because they couldn't score" or "they lost because of single isolated mistakes by X". Why does every goalie put up God-like sv% against them in a series? Why are games against middling clubs like CBJ/MTL even at the point where a neutral zone turnover (Dermott) is scapegoated as the reason they can't advance? Simply because they play the entire game on the perimeter, inflate the goalies sv% with low-danger shots and run around on their heels because they have absolutely zero forecheck game to speak of.

Their forecheck might be the worst in the entire league. No puck retrievals, no sustained forecheck outside of one soft rub out, and very few second chances off of recovered pucks/rebounds which all stems from a lack of physical pressure and willingness to sacrifice the body to make a play. MTL's D is one of the worst in the division at moving the puck yet they have all day to do so against the Leafs.
Add weakness along the boards. That's where the game is won or lost. All the ingredients a team needs to win, this team lacks.
 
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