Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 3-1; lose series

[MoreMogilny]

Can’t even have the draft to look forward to because we had to watch Nick Foligno do f*** all for us.

That’s on Dubas though. I bet Foligno was not close to 100%.

Stop trading away draft picks in hopes of band aiding this team together.

Might as well time travel back to the JFJ era if we are going to be doing that.

 

[francis246]

Yeah, you can. Dubas has made all in moves 3 years in a row trading 3 first round picks. This team needed to show growth once he made the aggressive move for Tavares and created the cap-issues that needed fixing. Then he bent over backwards in the RFA negotiations for players who didn't show up in the playoffs this year. He got the coach he wanted. He absolutely is fair game, this is owned by Shanahan and Dubas.

Exactly, he’s had 3 cracks at it. His methods haven’t worked. They need full culture reset. Bring in an experienced hockey mind to be the president and a ballsy GM who isn’t afraid to make moves and then a coach who demands respect.

I’d start with Rutherford as president (I may not want him making the trades, but I trust his opinion in terms of building hockey teams)

 

[BrannigansLaw]

I want them all gone. Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe, Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Rielly. All of them. Gtfo. None of them have won shit ever and never will. I don’t care if they become HoF players somewhere else, they won’t do it here. I’ve had enough of this core and won’t be able to get excited about anything until they are all gone. I hate these guys and everything they represent.

 

[93LEAFS]

blaming the fans for the mess Dubas has done.... how do you even post this crap.... your so wrong at everything you say, no clue

Some Leafs fans are like the cult of Dubas. Even when he does wrong, it's everyone but his fault. From Kadri, Freddie, Babs, Barrie, and now Marner, its always somebody but the person ultimately in charge of the team. He got his coach, he paid the current RFA deals, he decided he could navigate around the JT deal, etc. This is on him. He's had 3 years to improve us from a young team that pushed good teams to 7 games, and we are as bad as where we started.

 

[Gallagbi]

Exactly, he’s had 3 cracks at it. His methods haven’t worked. They need full culture reset. Bring in an experienced hockey mind to be the president and a ballsy GM who isn’t afraid to make moves and then a coach who demands respect.

I’d start with Rutherford as president (I may not want him making the trades, but I trust his opinion in terms of building hockey teams)

Maybe the next GM will bring in some physical veterans like Muzzin, Simmonds and Thornton

 

[rumman]

blaming the fans for the mess Dubas has done.... how do you even post this crap.... your so wrong at everything you say, no clue

THIS......

 

[GardinerTheForward]

Who the f*** are you Get banned to infinity you troll

 

[Cpt Maple Leaf]

If you felt good about the Leafs at the end of the season then you can't be calling for Dubas's head, he had no control over this. If not, go ahead.

BUT otherwise, every single other person is fair game and I want to see some f***ing changes.

Marner needs to go and I don't think anything is changing my mind on that. We had the blue line, we had the goalie, heck we had the head coach. We got the gritty guys and the vet experience. William Nylander - MR HOLDOUT WILLIAM NYLANDER - was our best player this series, he should be 3rd or fourth every time. Matthews can't go obviously and you don't dare move JT. Willy just had the series of a lifetime and he had no support. I don't want to see Marner in a Leafs jersey next year and at one point in time he was my favourite player.

Disagree, respectfully. Dubas made some sketchy trades for damaged goods, and failed to bring in players not afraid to get dirty. He has to own a fair share of this mess.

 

[93LEAFS]

If im being totally honest, I thought we had a shot at the finals. I think this is worn 100% by Keefe, Matthews and Marner but not management, and I think a series really comes down to how hard guys want it. This was a top 5 team in the whole league and they decided not to show up.

Keefe was Dubas's guy. To the extent the Leafs ate 20 million or so on Babcock to bring him in. He shouldn't get a 2nd head coach.

 

[Brobust]

If im being totally honest, I thought we had a shot at the finals. I think this is worn 100% by Keefe, Matthews and Marner but not management, and I think a series really comes down to how hard guys want it. This was a top 5 team in the whole league and they decided not to show up.

Everyone is to blame, including management.

The team struggled hard last season because of lack of depth. How does Dubas respond? Vesey, Simmonds, Thornton, Barabanov, Boyd.

Then he comes out of the TDL and says f***ing Alex Galchenyuk altered his TDL plans?

I wouldn't pin this collapse on him. But nobody should be safe.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

At the very least we made Edmonton fans feel better about their season. It’s simply a fact.
It feels nice to give, we all deserved better.
I expect zero big changes but yuck, this team is going nowhere.

 

[hockeynorth]

Disagree, respectfully. Dubas made some sketchy trades for damaged goods, and failed to bring in players not afraid to get dirty. He has to own a fair share of this mess.

I also can say with 100% confidence Foligno did not come to Toronto banged up so I may be biased in that sense to it.

 

[rumman]

You do understand we just got beat by a team with less skill and more grit, right?

THIS

 

[hockeynorth]

Keefe was Dubas's guy. To the extent the Leafs ate 20 million or so on Babcock to bring him in. He shouldn't get a 2nd head coach.

*I'd keep Keefe the same way I'd keep Matthews but I get why ppl want him gone I mean

 

[baton elevated]

But in Excel, we should be champs. <<<< Note the sarcasm

Hey Cpt, I'm here to eat my crow feathers and all. No excuses, Leafs lost fair and square.
There is so much wrong with this team and so very little time. I don't agree with the philosophy of the construction, the contracts handed out, cutting the rebuild short etc etc etc. They got what they deserved. Enough said.
A lot has to change for me to be back as a loyal fan, they won't make the changes necessary unfortunately. Thank you AM for only signing for 5 years same with you MM.
McDavid for any two Leafs, who says no.

 

[Pookie]

Not a hot take... this is probably the worst exit in the last 40 years.

Here are some other facts:

Year 7 of the Shanaplan.

2 first round exits for Keefe. 3 for Dubas.

3 years left for Matthews before he walks.

Lou is in round 2... again.

off season better be active.

 

[Trapper]

Some Leafs fans are like the cult of Dubas. Even when he does wrong, it's everyone but his fault. From Kadri, Freddie, Babs, Barrie, and now Marner, its always somebody but the person ultimately in charge of the team. He got his coach, he paid the current RFA deals, he decided he could navigate around the JT deal, etc. This is on him. He's had 3 years to improve us from a young team that pushed good teams to 7 games, and we are as bad as where we started.

Dubas bet his job on this core last year when asked if paying 4 guys half the cap was a good idea. He’s buddy to these guys.

He needs to change so a new objective, detached GM reworks this thing.

 

[TMLeafer]

They will never live this down. When your top players are low energy, low intensity, part time players, it all flows down to the rest of the guys, even the ones that used to be gritty, aggressive, etc.

 

[Dreakmur]

Keefe was Dubas's guy. To the extent the Leafs ate 20 million or so on Babcock to bring him in. He shouldn't get a 2nd head coach.

Nepotism at its finest.

I was really concerned when Keefe got hired, and he’s been even worse than I thought he would be.

 

[Celly Hard]

Can someone explain why a P**** that’s crying in the box in game 6 is this teams alternate captain ? Head up... penalty or not. I can’t believe this wimp.

 

[Cpt Maple Leaf]

I also can say with 100% confidence Foligno did not come to Toronto banged up so I may be biased in that sense to it.

He wasn't playing when he was traded, no?

 

[TheShape]

All is good, next year's training camp is another incredible "opportunity" to show what this team is made of!!!

 

[93LEAFS]

*I'd keep Keefe the same way I'd keep Matthews but I get why ppl want him gone I mean

I have no faith in the upper management to properly evaluate this team and win the trades we need to make.

 

[17 Clark]

If you felt good about the Leafs at the end of the season then you can't be calling for Dubas's head, he had no control over this. If not, go ahead.

BUT otherwise, every single other person is fair game and I want to see some f***ing changes.

Marner needs to go and I don't think anything is changing my mind on that. We had the blue line, we had the goalie, heck we had the head coach. We got the gritty guys and the vet experience. William Nylander - MR HOLDOUT WILLIAM NYLANDER - was our best player this series, he should be 3rd or fourth every time. Matthews can't go obviously and you don't dare move JT. Willy just had the series of a lifetime and he had no support. I don't want to see Marner in a Leafs jersey next year and at one point in time he was my favourite player.

Looking at the contracts he’s passed out and the questionable trades more than a few how is it not his fault Can’t recognize players gets taken advantage of too friendly with them

 

[Mickey Marner]

I don't even know if a retool is enough. Probably need to rebuild this team from the ground up. At the very least, every single member of the front office should be fired and the next group can make the decisions that matter.