Post-Game Talk: Leafs lose 3-1; lose series

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Everyone is to blame, including management.

The team struggled hard last season because of lack of depth. How does Dubas respond? Vesey, Simmonds, Thornton, Barabanov, Boyd.

Then he comes out of the TDL and says f***ing Alex Galchenyuk altered his TDL plans?

I wouldn't pin this collapse on him. But nobody should be safe.
Alex Galchenyuk was one of our better players though, the problem is at the top not the depth. Tonight IMO the 4th line was our best bc they evidently wanted it.

I do think Dubas gets fired tho, even if I'd disagree with it.
 
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I want them all gone. Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe, Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Rielly. All of them. Gtfo. None of them have won shit ever and never will. I don’t care if they become HoF players somewhere else, they won’t do it here. I’ve had enough of this core and won’t be able to get excited about anything until they are all gone. I hate these guys and everything they represent.
I'd say no on Matthews even though he's the 2nd biggest goat. He's going to win multiple rockets. If the right offer came though, yeah I'd move him. Would have to be a spectacular offer. We're stuck with Tavares he has a NMC. Rielly was excellent and I want to keep him.
 
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Maybe the next GM will bring in some physical veterans like Muzzin, Simmonds and Thornton

I didn’t mention anything about physical veterans. All I said was a culture reset. You need players who actually care about winning. Who leave it all on the ice. Toronto doesn’t have that. Rutherford is good at finding those types of guys.

while Dubas has done a decent job, it hasn’t worked. He has failed to create a team that gets it done in the playoffs. Being in people with a proven track record.

Babcock was right the entire time about this group. (It doesn’t excuse him being an asshole especially in his last year) but they don’t know how to play the right way.

Look at the guys we moved away from Kadri, Kapanen, Brown, Johnsson ect, all guys who don’t cheat you on effort. Losing Connor Brown probably hurt the most he’s basically Hyman with the actual scoring ability.
 
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I feel fine, already over this one. It seems to be easier and easier getting over this each year.

I do think Marner has to be traded. You can only change coaches and gms and depth players so many times.
 
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Hey Cpt, I'm here to eat my crow feathers and all. No excuses, Leafs lost fair and square.
There is so much wrong with this team and so very little time. I don't agree with the philosophy of the construction, the contracts handed out, cutting the rebuild short etc etc etc. They got what they deserved. Enough said.
A lot has to change for me to be back as a loyal fan, they won't make the changes necessary unfortunately. Thank you AM for only signing for 5 years same with you MM.
McDavid for any two Leafs, who says no.
Playoffs are a different animal. You need heart and hate. Our current lineup just doesn't have that fire.
 
I have no faith in the upper management to properly evaluate this team and win the trades we need to make.

The only hope is that Rogers and Bell fire them all before they have a chance to mess this up any worse than they already have.

With the money Rogers invested in the NHL and how much money they derive from the Leafs, you hope heads will roll.
 
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I would not give up on Marner and Matthews yet.

The flat cap will be hard to manage again.

This team needs a “rebuild” of the depth.

Either way, I am happy I prepared myself for a let down tonight.

Stay safe and avoid the main boards everyone
 
Do we try and blame our grit now to avoid blaming our 22 million dollar duo? The 22 million dollar duo that makes it so we can't really bring in better depth players because better depth players won't sign for league minimum. In our last 11 playoff games our 22 million dollar duo has scored 3 goals and all of them were from Matthews.
 
You move Marner this year and see how the team reacts. It will show if this a country club team where they run the show and guys like Matthews will sulk cause his buddy got shipped out or will this team finally understand the severity of their choking in the playoffs
 
Disagree, respectfully. Dubas made some sketchy trades for damaged goods, and failed to bring in players not afraid to get dirty. He has to own a fair share of this mess.
Dubas is the mastermind behind the country club mentality that hey sure take 3 delay of game penalties in the same game, no worries. And the one I see consistently missed, his contracts are terrible. Not bad, hideously awful.
 
Alex Galchenyuk was one of our better players though, the problem is at the top not the depth. Tonight IMO the 4th line was our best bc they evidently wanted it.

I do think Dubas gets fired tho, even if I'd disagree with it.

Galchenyuk had good underlying numbers because he was riding 91+88's coattails and was barely 0.5ppg heading into the TDL. I don't know how you look at that and say think you suddenly don't need Hall or Granlund or whoever else who can actually produce.
 
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@francis246 - doing this because the site is a dumpster fire for functionality

Kap and AJ we're here's for the recent losses, effort or not and Kadri just outright hurt this team
 
Not Dubas fault, he assembled a team capable of winning a few rounds. Make no mistake, this is ALL on the players.

Then he overpaid them all so badly that the best complementary players he could get - who are critical for deep playoff runs - were below replacement level players.

You want your top line to dominate, but this is a team sport. Montreal beat us with depth.

Also you know they would've been hungrier if they had signed bridges and needed to perform for their paydays.
 
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Do we try and blame our grit now to avoid blaming our 22 million dollar duo? The 22 million dollar duo that makes it so we can't really bring in better depth players because better depth players won't sign for league minimum. In our last 11 playoff games our 22 million dollar duo has scored 3 goals and all of them were from Matthews.
Its to avoid blaming the person who signed the contract. If these were Lou's contract they'd be getting the blame more.
 
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