Pre-Game Talk: Leafs in Ottawa, Saturday Nights Alright for Fighting, 7 pm on CBC

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Filatov2Kovalev2Bonk

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The question I'd ask is do we even take Dahlin or trade down? Between Karlsson and Chabot we have 2 elite offensive D. Snagging a top 5 (pick) forward and a roster player may be more valuable to this team.

Just a thought though

You just take Dahlin right? He's going to be an elite defenceman and you can trade Ceci or Chabot or whomever. Dahlin + Karlsson on the same team would be sweeeeeeeeet.
 

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The question I'd ask is do we even take Dahlin or trade down? Between Karlsson and Chabot we have 2 elite offensive D. Snagging a top 5 winger and a roster player may be more valuable to this team.

Just a thought though

Unless somehow the Senators do not have Dahlin ranked 1, they will and should take him no matter what.

We cannot talk to Karlsson until July 1st 2018 which is after the draft. So outside of tampering, or Karlsson requesting a trade, we won't now whether he'll be a Senator long term at the draft. There'll always be opportunities to trade Chabot, Dahlin, or whoever in the future to get whatever we need.
 
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You just take Dahlin right? He's going to be an elite defenceman and you can trade Ceci or Chabot or whomever. Dahlin + Karlsson on the same team would be sweeeeeeeeet.
Is Dahlin that much better than Chabot that we wouldn't be better off without a top 5 pick forward and serviceable roster player?
 

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Uh oh. Never a good sign when the GM confronts the team.
Of course if Eugene is in the house he may have pinned Dorions ears back.
Lol I think that’s f***ing awesome haha. I love that stuff though. On the outside. And when I played competitive sports.
 

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Unless somehow the Senators do not have Dahlin ranked 1, they will and should take him no matter what.

We cannot talk to Karlsson until July 1st 2018 which is after the draft. So outside of tampering, or Karlsson requesting a trade, we won't now whether he'll be a Senator long term at the draft. There'll always be opportunities to trade Chabot, Dahlin, or whoever in the future to get whatever we need.
I didn't factor in the not being able to speak with Karlsson part.....certainly a big factor and you may be correct
 

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@pepty

Can any of us say we wouldn't have already confronted the team after a season like this if we were GM of the Senators?

I probably would have thrown JGP out a window by now.
 

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Boucher needs to go here. Like. Finally they’re saying it on the postgame show. Boucher won’t change. Not for a period. Not for a game. Not for a season. Get him out.
 
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@pepty

Can any of us say we wouldn't have already confronted the team after a season like this if we were GM of the Senators?

I probably would have thrown JGP out a window by now.

He's made a bunch of terrible moves, and if he had any sense of self-awareness, he'd know he's in no position to call anyone out. That's my problem with it.
 

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I'm very much enjoying AJ's ranting on the post-game show about the coach. Feels good when someone in Ottawa with an audience tells it like it is.
 

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The players fought tonight. No one mailed it in. But as a group there’s simply not enough talent there to compete in today’s nhl. This has nothing to do with accountability. To me they’ are playing like Boucher wants them too. He needs to build a bettter team and the coach needs to play a style conducive to winning f***ing games. Not not losing them.
 

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This style. Any sort of philosophy he currently has. We lost 11 straight. Each game the same crap.

Also I answered for the sake of discussion. You asked a dumb question because you know full well what I meant

You are right I know exactly what you mean, I also know the majority around here can't breakdown whats happening infront of them.

What's his style?
 
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danielpalfredsson

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Why would you get rid of Boucher now? Short term pain for long term gain.

My thoughts are pretty much this. I loved the Boucher hire, but for a variety of reasons, I was wrong. Maybe I just didn't know enough about him at the time but he is too stubborn, his system is too draining on the players for 82 games+playoffs, then that is made worse by his unwillingness to play young players who didn't grind through the playoffs last year and thus should be fresher.

People can blame the players for quitting....but why did the players quit? That's the question. I think it's Boucher's intensive system, and the Karlsson injury, along with our terrible schedule this season following a deep playoff run have expedited the issue.

There's evidence that key players on this team can be pesky and strong willed. A lot of these players rallied through the greatest regular season run in modern NHL history three years ago (Hammond run), last year they rallied through tremendous off ice adversity and played some clutch hockey to close out the season and clinch a playoff spot when multiple players were hurt.

If there's any hope, Dorion is keeping Boucher because he knows this season is done, and with parity being the way it is in the NHL, we could bounce back and make the playoffs next season, meaning this is a rare opportunity for us to get an elite player at the top of the draft. Dorion doesn't want to spark the team by firing Boucher, and will do it at the end of the season.

I do not buy the "OMG WE JUST NEED TO GO 56-1-1 AND WE CAN STILL MAKE IT IN" talk, that's Dorion fronting. This team needs to inspire fans to buy tickets and can't proclaim the season done this early when there are lots of home dates left. Teams that think everything is ayyyokay and a streak will get them back in don't hide away in a bunker and have meetings where they try to rank every single player and asset an organization has.

If Dorion doesn't fire Boucher in the summer, then I am scared.
 
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