Pre-Game Talk: Leafs in Ottawa, Saturday Nights Alright for Fighting, 7 pm on CBC

[Langdon Alger]

we need to find better goaltenders for next season

We won’t. Our guys are unmoveable and Pierre from Orleans will tell us they can bounce back.

I expect more of the same next year.

 

[albator71]

But how do they unload the ones they have now?

That the problem!

 

[pepty]

The public NCC Board of Directors meeting is set for January 25th. Update on LeBreton is at 11:20 AM. The Board also has a closed session and update scheduled for the day before. #Sens #Ottawa

 

[albator71]

Karlsson just said he had a year and half left, doesnt sound very optimistic

 

[Langdon Alger]

Karlsson just said he had a year and half left, doesnt sound very optimistic

If I were him, I’d want out.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Skate for tomorrow has been cancelled. Too many injured players.

 

[pepty]

Karlsson just said he had a year and half left, doesnt sound very optimistic

He said it was up to management, He has said before that he would like to be here his whole career.

 

[albator71]

If I were him, I’d want out.

me too

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Holy moly. It is the end of the world as we know it.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Holy moly. It is the end of the world as we know it.

And I don’t feel fine

 

[albator71]

He said it was up to management, He has said before that he would like to be here his whole career.

Yeah thats what he said, im not sure thats what hes thinking though.

 

[Ouroboros]

Skate for tomorrow has been cancelled. Too many injured players.

I thought this was a joke about Boucher making excuses but...

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Yeah thats what he said, im not sure thats what hes thinking though.

Those words had no negative implication aside from saying there's nothing he can do about it right now.

 

[Korpse]

Most of these guys haven't been here for 3 or more coaches though. There's a very short list of guys who played a full season under Paul MacLean let along Clouston or Hartsburg. Unless Karlsson, Smith, and Anderson are amazing at killing coaches, Dave Cameron is the only coach who bit the dust here that most of these guys have also played a full season under.

I am not in the room, I don't know what goes on. What I do know is that it's easy to spot a trend. The one trend there is when it comes to our coaches is inexperience at the NHL level. Three out of the four coaches who have been fired since Murray stepped down as coach were NHL rookie coaches. The fourth had only coached with one team previously. Boucher who might be the fifth also only coaches with one previous NHL team.

There's your trend. Our players aren't coach killers. It just happens that when teams hire almost exclusively rookie or sophomore NHL head coaches, the likeilhood of the coach working out is probably very high.

Thats a fair point about JGP, Hoffman, Stone, Boro and Ceci. They had only just established themselves as full time NHLers when MacLean was cut loose.

Just going down the list of NHL coaches these coaches are coaching their first team: Housley, Peters, Bednar, Bashill, Boughner, Hynes, Weight, Hakstol, Cooper, Green (10/31)
These goalies are coaching their second team: Tochett, Cassidy, Guletzen, McLellan, Stevens, Sullivan, Yeo, Boucher (8/31)

Hiring inexperienced coaches is hardly a new trend and for me its not the problem. MacLean, Cameron and Boucher have all initially had success. Why is it that these coaches have good seasons behind the bench but then its followed by a tire fire season?

 

[L'Aveuglette]

I thought this was a joke about Boucher making excuses but...

That's pretty much how Boucher has been running the team so far, and since it's working so well, there's obviously no need to change it!

 

[Stylizer1]

If I were him, I’d want out.

If I were him I'd want to be me.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Thats a fair point about JGP, Hoffman, Stone, Boro and Ceci. They had only just established themselves as full time NHLers when MacLean was cut loose.

Just going down the list of NHL coaches these coaches are coaching their first team: Housley, Peters, Bednar, Bashill, Boughner, Hynes, Weight, Hakstol, Cooper, Green (10/31)
These goalies are coaching their second team: Tochett, Cassidy, Guletzen, McLellan, Stevens, Sullivan, Yeo, Boucher (8/31)

Hiring inexperienced coaches is hardly a new trend and for me its not the problem. MacLean, Cameron and Boucher have all initially had success. Why is it that these coaches have good seasons behind the bench but then its followed by a tire fire season?

That’s the question Jimmy. This team has some success but can’t build off that. I’m not sure why that is.

 

[Langdon Alger]

If I were him I'd want to be me.

He’d rather post on hfboards than play hockey and make millions? Trust me, nhl players don’t envy any of us. We’re a bunch of assclowns just like Bobby Mac said.

 

[Korpse]

He's a bad coach. It's ok to admit it.

I have my issues with somethings he does but a lot of what he is accused of doing or not doing is simply incorrect. For example theres always been a lot of bitching about the lack of forecheck, especially this year. Whats funny is that this season we've they have been bringing two forecheckers quite bit. I'm not sure we have seen anything close to what we saw in Pittsburgh for game 1,2,5 and 7. You have people here that actually believe this team runs nothing but a 1-3-1 when in reality they use that formation less than half the game, its pretty much been non existent of late.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Oduya can do no wrong. Boucher pretty much defended how he handled Marner on his goal.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Good chance Boucher and Oduya will be unemployed next year. Maybe they can use that free time to vacation together. Camp out under the stars, watch the sun set together, get massages.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I want to hold the players accountable for once. You know the ones that have been here for 3 or more coaches

Cory Clouston was such a poor coach that he is out of coaching altogether it seems.

Cameron should never have been head coach and I dont blame anyone for his short run.

I think Maclean got a raw deal because after 2 good years he happened to be coach when Alfie left and Spezza who had already asked for a trade-was made captain. Spezza and Maclean didn't get along and the GM put the coach on notice.

I think that Murrays interference in coaching is why Dorion went out of his way not to interfere with Boucher. He went too far perhaps-he was so supportive of Boucher that he almost let him call the shots with bringing in all those payers he felt comfortable with.

Dorion almost abdicated his GM duties to Boucher.

Exactly.

Anyone saying this team is full of coach-killers simply isn't looking past the surface. This organization hired a few guys who had no business whatsoever being in the NHL. That's not on the players.

The one coach where we can put some fault on the players is MacLean (not saying Paulrus is blameless either, he clearly made some major errors too). In that case, we would've been much better off to let things settle down a bit and try to work though the problems, instead of firing him.

 

[pzeeman]

Why is it that these coaches have good seasons behind the bench but then its followed by a tire fire season?

Show me a great coach and I’ll show you a great goalie. The opposite must be true.

Might the Senator’s coach pattern match up Anderson’s on-year/off-year pattern?

 

[Korpse]

I want to hold the players accountable for once. You know the ones that have been here for 3 or more coaches

Cory Clouston was such a poor coach that he is out of coaching altogether it seems.

Cameron should never have been head coach and I dont blame anyone for his short run.

I think Maclean got a raw deal because after 2 good years he happened to be coach when Alfie left and Spezza who had already asked for a trade-was made captain. Spezza and Maclean didn't get along and the GM put the coach on notice.

I think that Murrays interference in coaching is why Dorion went out of his way not to interfere with Boucher. He went too far perhaps-he was so supportive of Boucher that he almost let him call the shots with bringing in all those payers he felt comfortable with.

Dorion almost abdicated his GM duties to Boucher.

Yet all these coaches, despite being awful were able to make the playoffs and then suddenly things turned upside down. I'm trying to suggest the coaches are coach killers but I just don't want to see another coach come in because for one season, things didn't go the way we expected them to. I think a part of the problem there is Melnyk but for once I would like to see the players be able to work things out with the same coach.

As for the part about Dorion, this idea that Boucher calls the shots is... is...terrible. Every Coach and GM have a working relationship. Sometimes a GM gets a player the coach wants, sometimes the Coach plays a player the GM wants. If thats not happening I'd be worried.

 

[chipsens]

So Ceci helped save the tank tonight. Solid RHD we cant do without. Habs lost too.