Eklund Rumor: Leafs in on Cam Fowler

[Quackery]

He's not elite but he is certainly better than Fowler

It's been blatantly obvious for some time now that you hate everything about Ducks hockey, so your intake on this subject has no value whatsoever.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

To be honest I expect nothing out of Zaitsev I figure there is a reason he wasn't signed until he was 24.

On the other hand he is 24 so his learning curve could be a short one

I personally expect more out of Vesey who I also expect nothing out of but at least saw him as worth drafting

Obviously not the rule but:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemi_Panarin

 

[JetsHomer]

It's been blatantly obvious for some time now that you hate everything about Ducks hockey, so your intake on this subject has no value whatsoever.

Lol, and at the same time I've had multiple Leaf fans say this same thing to me

 

[Mr Hockey*]

He's not elite but he is certainly better than Fowler

Gardiner has not even been the anchor on the 2nd pairing with the "Leafs" ( 30th placed team last season)

 

[JetsHomer]

Gardiner has not even been the anchor on the 2nd pairing with the "Leafs" ( 30th placed team last season)

True. He's still a better player of the game of hockey than Fowler

 

[Kelly]

Gardiner has not even been the anchor on the 2nd pairing with the "Leafs" ( 30th placed team last season)

Well I mean he actually has. You could make an argument for Gardiner being the best defenseman on the Leafs. Personally I would put Rielly ahead of him, but there definitely is an argument.

Waiting for you to post his QoC numbers as a reason why Gardiner sucks tho. Always get a chuckle out of that.

 

[Mr Hockey*]

Well I mean he actually has. You could make an argument for Gardiner being the best defenseman on the Leafs. Personally I would put Rielly ahead of him, but there definitely is an argument.

Waiting for you to post his QoC numbers as a reason why Gardiner sucks tho. Always get a chuckle out of that.

That comes out when you says how great he is defensively and how he plays top line match ups

 

[Randy Randerson]

Well I mean he actually has. You could make an argument for Gardiner being the best defenseman on the Leafs. Personally I would put Rielly ahead of him, but there definitely is an argument.

Waiting for you to post his QoC numbers as a reason why Gardiner sucks tho. Always get a chuckle out of that.

He excelled against middle pairing QoC in middle pairing minutes - this doesn't mean that he should get a chance at bigger minutes against better competition, it means he's terrible...

 

[Kelly]

He excelled against middle pairing QoC in middle pairing minutes - this doesn't mean that he should get a chance at bigger minutes against better competition, it means he's terrible...

Such a ridiculous notion isn't it? I mean let's ignore that the difference between QoC means very little -- and also the fact that you can only pick match ups 41 games a year.. I've provided mikec with articles that proves this, but he chooses to ignore them. Whatever fits his uninformed opinion I guess.

 

[Mr Hockey*]

He excelled against middle pairing QoC in middle pairing minutes - this doesn't mean that he should get a chance at bigger minutes against better competition, it means he's terrible...

You should shoot Babcock some emails on how to play Gardiner

 

[Mr Hockey*]

Such a ridiculous notion isn't it? I mean let's ignore that the difference between QoC means very little -- and also the fact that you can only pick match ups 41 games a year.. I've provided mikec with articles that proves this, but he chooses to ignore them. Whatever fits his uninformed opinion I guess.

How Babcock uses Gardiner trumps your articles

 

[mytduxfan*]

True. He's still a better player of the game of hockey than Fowler

... and Trouba.

"The numbers don't lie"

 

[Kelly]

How Babcock uses Gardiner trumps your articles

Primarily a PP second pair defenseman that excelled at it? Once Phaneuf was traded, our 2nd most used defenseman? Easily our best shot suppressing player, who when paired with other D all their shot suppression stats drastically went up?

Oh ****, forgot his QoC was tad bit below our other D though. He must suck.

 

[Mr Hockey*]

Primarily a PP second pair defenseman that excelled at it? Once Phaneuf was traded, our 2nd most used defenseman? Easily our best shot suppressing player, who when paired with other D all their shot suppression stats drastically went up?

Oh ****, forgot his QoC was tad bit below our other D though. He must suck.

• He excelled at being a 2nd unit PP guy?
• Once Phaneuf, Polak were traded and Hunwick had season ending injury, he was the 2nd most used d'man.
• He has good suppressing numbers when he is sheltered from top lines.
• Dion went from the top pairing to the 2nd pairing with Gardiner, its logical his shot suppression stats drastically went up.
• yes his CRQoC low in comparison

what else you got, this is fun lol

 

[JetsHomer]

... and Trouba.

"The numbers don't lie"

He's a pretty equivalent player to Trouba. Both are top 2/3 Dmen. Trouba more valuable as he's quite a bit younger.

Fowler is closer to Myers in ability

 

[lindholmie]

He's a pretty equivalent player to Trouba. Both are top 2/3 Dmen. Trouba more valuable as he's quite a bit younger.

Fowler is closer to Myers in ability

lol trouba is only 2 years younger than fowler. except fowler is better offensively and actually plays top competition on a contender and not one that drafted 2nd overall

 

[member 151739]

Stop with the personal attacks and bringing up ignore lists.

 

[mytduxfan*]

He's a pretty equivalent player to Trouba. Both are top 2/3 Dmen. Trouba more valuable as he's quite a bit younger.

Fowler is closer to Myers in ability

That's not what the numbers say - http://public.tableau.com/shared/F5F94SCS3?:display_count=yes

Examining his shot suppression and possession stats, Trouba is basically a #5 defensively and terrible compared to Gardiner. Other then a similar goal production rate, Gardiner smashes Trouba in every area.

I wouldn't give up much for Trouba. He's basically a PP specialist with a weak defensive game and he's demanding stupid money for what he brings. Gardiner >>>>>>>> Trouba.

 

[Kelly]

• He excelled at being a 2nd unit PP guy?
• Once Phaneuf, Polak were traded and Hunwick had season ending injury, he was the 2nd most used d'man.
• He has good suppressing numbers when he is sheltered from top lines.
• Dion went from the top pairing to the 2nd pairing with Gardiner, its logical his shot suppression stats drastically went up.
• yes his CRQoC low in comparison

Ugh.

First, Gardiner played more than Polak. Polak was floating between bottom pairing and hitching along beside Gardiner.

2nd, He wasn't sheltered from top lines, Rielly pairing played the more difficult minutes/oppositions - THAT DOES NOT MEAN GARDINER WAS SHELTERED.

3rd, every defenseman that seen minutes with Gardiners shot suppression numbers went up, not just Phaneufs. Example, Rielly played with Gardiner 68:15, otherwise a 49.8 CF% player last year, jumped to 60.4 CF% when playing those minutes with Gardiner. (If we're playing Rielly on the right side again next year, really wouldn't mind them testing out the Gardiner-Rielly pairing again)

4th, We've come full circle, don't care enough to reply again.

 

[JetsHomer]

That's not what the numbers say - http://public.tableau.com/shared/F5F94SCS3?:display_count=yes

Examining his shot suppression and possession stats, Trouba is basically a #5 defensively and terrible compared to Gardiner. Other then a similar goal production rate, Gardiner smashes Trouba in every area.

I wouldn't give up much for Trouba. He's basically a PP specialist with a weak defensive game and he's demanding stupid money for what he brings. Gardiner >>>>>>>> Trouba.

Why are you so convientely leaving out Trouba's near elite shot generation numbers? Oh right it's cause you always completly ignore evidence that doesn't back you up. In no way shape or form could you say Trouba's shot metrics are not top pairing material without being completly disingenuous, which is seemingly your go to for every single argument

Please stop responding to all my posts, it's creepy how you follow me around these forums bud

 

[lindholmie]

Why are you so convientely leaving out Trouba's near elite shot generation numbers? Oh right it's cause you always completly ignore evidence that doesn't back you up. In no way shape or form could you say Trouba's shot metrics are not top pairing material without being completly disingenuous, which is seemingly your go to for every single argument

Please stop responding to all my posts, it's creepy how you follow me around these forums bud

lol a ducks fan replying to you when you always post in ducks related threads.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Obviously not the rule but:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemi_Panarin

There are exceptions to every rule but onl the whole my point stands

 

[dracom]

Why are you so convientely leaving out Trouba's near elite shot generation numbers? Oh right it's cause you always completly ignore evidence that doesn't back you up. In no way shape or form could you say Trouba's shot metrics are not top pairing material without being completly disingenuous, which is seemingly your go to for every single argument

Please stop responding to all my posts, it's creepy how you follow me around these forums bud

Maybe you shouldn't be posting in a thread about the Ducks if all you want to do is talk crap about Ducks players, and then get upset when Ducks fans reply to your comments.

 

[Mr Hockey*]

I will give Connor Brown, Levio, freddy the goat + 2nd for Fowler?

 

[mytduxfan*]

Why are you so convientely leaving out Trouba's near elite shot generation numbers? Oh right it's cause you always completly ignore evidence that doesn't back you up. In no way shape or form could you say Trouba's shot metrics are not top pairing material without being completly disingenuous, which is seemingly your go to for every single argument

Please stop responding to all my posts, it's creepy how you follow me around these forums bud

You're in an ANA-TOR thread, not a WPG thread. I'm not following you. You're following us Duck fans.

Trouba sucks. Get over it. His defensive game is terrible. Both Gardiner and Trouba both have top 2 shot generation numbers, but Trouba bring his offensive qualitative down by being a such a poor playmaker. He's basically a #4 offensively and a #6 defensively. You guys better hurry and sign him before someone else grabs up such a sweet player .

Trouba has bust written all over him. Gardiner is much, much better. Shouldn't even be putting Trouba and Gardiner in the same sentence. Trouba is in Nick Holden territory in terms of skill and ability - http://public.tableau.com/shared/PPSC9HDR7?:display_count=no