It's close but it's not really fair value straight up. D-men are generally more valuable and Fowler is younger. Maybe the teams would be willing to do Fowler and Stoner for JVR and Robidas where the Leafs retain half on Robidas? Leafs take on 1.5 mil in cap dollars. Ducks basically save the 1.5 mil cap dollars and an extra million off of Robidas' signing bonus that I believe was paid by the Leafs already?
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It's close but it's not really fair value straight up. D-men are generally more valuable and Fowler is younger. Maybe the teams would be willing to do Fowler and Stoner for JVR and Robidas where the Leafs retain half on Robidas? Leafs take on 1.5 mil in cap dollars. Ducks basically save the 1.5 mil cap dollars and an extra million off of Robidas' signing bonus that I believe was paid by the Leafs already?
I don't think the Leafs have room for Stoner's contact the year after next. They have a lot of good young prospects, and the opportunity cost is probably too high.
Most of the contractual debris they picked up from Ottawa and elsewhere will expire at the end of this year. Taking on another useless piece that goes beyond that is another story.
JVR is useful to the Leafs and has a team-friendly contract. No need for the Leafs to take out Anaheim's trash in return.
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I realize you're just trying to be idiotic but just in case the Leafs don't have an Anderson.
Well, I doubt that the talks would have to end. Robidas going the other way makes some sense financially. It doesn't necessarily have to be Stoner either. It could be Despres but the Leafs would have to make an add that is quality yet cheap to fit for the Ducks' budget.
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Robidas is LTIR...we don't need to get rid of him, and we certainly don't need Stoner.
Once again I read nothing but sh*te. Could you folks kindly try to say something more than my boots are bigger than you're boots. The Leafs value JVR, and guess what, Fowler is valued too. How about a discussion as opposed to vitriol. But then again this is HF and why would discussion trump bile?
With guys like Laich, Michalek, Cowen, Robidas, Polak, and Greening off the books, I don't think Toronto will have a tough time eating Stoner's deal really. Toronto doesn't have anyone that would require a significant raise that they'll keep either so with about 20 million freeing up next off-season, if they can work a deal to have to eat Stoner's 3.25 next year to get someone like Fowler and get him signed long-term, I think they'd gladly do it. Just has to make sense asset wise for Toronto and has to make sense monetarily for the Ducks as well.
Robidas is only LTIR if they reach the cap ceiling. They may not even get there and even if they do, they also have Horton and potentially Cowen to where Robidas isn't exactly necessary to keep. And of course the Leafs don't need Stoner but if that's part of the price to acquire someone like Fowler, it would make a lot of sense for Toronto to do that.
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Not a Leafs fan, not a Ducks fan, and I actually think Fowler vs JVR would make a lot of sense and is fair value.
Toronto has a lot of young forwards pushing for a spot so they can afford losing JVR, and Fowler would be a huge upgrade to their blue line.
Anaheim need a good top6 forward who can play with Getzlaf and Perry and JVR would be a perfect fit IMO. They can afford losing Fowler with Lindholm and Vatanen being what they are, plus Theodore that will be looking for a spot in the top4 sooner than later.
I think it's a great proposal!
Toronto has a lot of young forwards pushing for a spot so they can afford losing JVR, and Fowler would be a huge upgrade to their blue line.
Anaheim need a good top6 forward who can play with Getzlaf and Perry and JVR would be a perfect fit IMO. They can afford losing Fowler with Lindholm and Vatanen being what they are, plus Theodore that will be looking for a spot in the top4 sooner than later.
I think it's a great proposal!
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Streit at 60% ($3.15m cap hit, $1.2m salary) for Robidas ($3m cap hit, $2m salary) + 2017 2nd.
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Fowler and JVR are pretty much a wash value wise....so if taking garbage cap is "the price to acquire Fowler", then i would decline. If Fowler were RHD...maybe, but he is pretty much the same type as Rielly/Gardiner, so i'm not sure why we'd trade our 1LW for him.
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No.
We don't need to lose Robidas, he'll just be LTIR'd if we really need to. We're not losing a 2nd for cap space.
Disagree with Fowler/JVR being a wash. It favors Fowler enough to where an even swap definitely favors Toronto but it's not some large amount. However, it isn't necessarily just Stoner that could be in talks here. Despres probably could be discussed here as well. But I don't think the Stoner stuff is out of the realm of discussion either with Robidas being a possibility of helping the Ducks given his contract.
Defensive depth is pretty critical for success in this league and I think Lou knows that. As good as JVR is, he is and his position in general is not critical for team success and that does play a part in trade value. The Hall-Larsson deal should be a pretty clear indicator of that.
But a lot of this Leafs trade talk stuff is still predicated on what the fallout is from the Cowen situation.
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Fowler has got to be the most overrated D in the league, all offense.
Take it for what its worth.
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Ducks would be lucky to get either JVR or Tatar straight up.
Take it for what its worth.
Ducks would be lucky to get either JVR or Tatar straight up.
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Yeah it would make the pairings a bit awkward, would be a hell of a mobile back end though.
Rielly - Zaitsev
Folwer - Hunwick
Gardiner - Polak
Maybe they like Fowler more than Gardiner and would look to move Gardiner in a separate deal. I don't like Gardiner's hockey sense but he's a fancy stat darling. He'd be a big waste on the bottom pairing IMO.
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Leafs don't overpay, Fowler is a 2nd pairing guy. Don't buy the sizzle.
Playing a guy higher then he belongs doesn't make him any better. If you want a 2nd pairing guy cool, make sure you don't pay for a top pairing guy or you will be disappointed
Playing a guy higher then he belongs doesn't make him any better. If you want a 2nd pairing guy cool, make sure you don't pay for a top pairing guy or you will be disappointed
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