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Eklund Rumor: Leafs in on Cam Fowler

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Halla said:
nope. I just think its hilarious to see a sabres fan saying fowler is 100% a better player than gardiner. Gardiner had a nice season last year and has the stats to back it up. should be nice to see what he can do with some talented forwards that can actually put the puck in the net/QUOTE]

Yeah, that'll be great........in about 3-4 years when the Leafs actually have that. If you think 18, 19, and 20 year old kids are going to walk in there and start potting 25-30 goals, you are delusional. It's going to take some time.

Enjoy the rebuild.
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Halla said:
and what if Carrick shows he is a top 4 dman and chips in 10g/35-40pts? do we expose him, or Gardiner?

why are we helping the ducks out of their expansion troubles again?

right now the worst case scenario is losing marincin. given the plethora of solid dman available vegas is more likely to just grab a guy like leivo/holland. leafs are in a good spot and should be patient, draft one of the top 3 dmen next year, and let the other teams worry about losing a good player.
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I prefer to keep my possible scenarios in line with what is realistic.
 
Halla said:
nope. I just think its hilarious to see a sabres fan saying fowler is 100% a better player than gardiner. Gardiner had a nice season last year and has the stats to back it up. should be nice to see what he can do with some talented forwards that can actually put the puck in the net.
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Let me get this right.

A d-man will prove his worth by playing with talented forwards who can put the puck in the net ?

Is he auditioning for a center position ? :popcorn:
 
Neutral fan and I think Gardiner is a very solid defenseman? He played in the top 4 for a team that finished dead last so I doubt it is possible to shelter him much? :laugh: I thought Jake looked good last season under a real coach vs Kitty the old school clown prince.
 
Halla said:
and what if Carrick shows he is a top 4 dman and chips in 10g/35-40pts? do we expose him, or Gardiner?

why are we helping the ducks out of their expansion troubles again?

right now the worst case scenario is losing marincin. given the plethora of solid dman available vegas is more likely to just grab a guy like leivo/holland. leafs are in a good spot and should be patient, draft one of the top 3 dmen next year, and let the other teams worry about losing a good player.
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I think it it quite realistic to think that Carrick or another one of the Leafs young defencemen might have a breakout season next year.

If that were to happen, it would be a shame to have to then expose him in the expansion draft.

I think it's a better strategy to develop the assets they have this year, and acquire non-exempt assets after the expansion draft is over.

I really have the 2017-18 season in mind much more than seeking immediate success this year.
 
ps241 said:
Neutral fan and I think Gardiner is a very solid defenseman? He played in the top 4 for a team that finished dead last so I doubt it is possible to shelter him much? :laugh: I thought Jake looked good last season under a real coach vs Kitty the old school clown prince.
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Gardiner is a very solid defenseman. A fine guy to have on your second pairing.

He's not as good as Cam Fowler but he's a legit second-pairing defenseman, and those that disagree didn't watch him last year.
 
OmniCube said:
Gardiner is a very solid defenseman. A fine guy to have on your second pairing.

He's not as good as Cam Fowler but he's a legit second-pairing defenseman, and those that disagree didn't watch him last year.
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Gardiner is better than Fowler
 
beauchamp said:
Let me get this right.

A d-man will prove his worth by playing with talented forwards who can put the puck in the net ?

Is he auditioning for a center position ? :popcorn:
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where did i say prove his worth? I think it was pretty obvious i was referring to an increased point total but maybe that went right over your head?

surely he will put up more points with phaneuf gone (more ice time)
and guys like Matthews,Nylander,Marner and a healthy JVR filling the net as opposed to boyes,grabner,mathias,spaling etc?

not too hard to figure out. I wouldnt be surprised to see Gardiner in the 40pt range this year
 
Halla said:
what is realistic is the ducks will move a dman for an underwhelming return, and probably lose silverfberg to vegas
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That's about as likely as your top 4 scenario, which is to say it isn't likely at all.
 
Halla said:
what is realistic is the ducks will move a dman for an underwhelming return, and probably lose silverfberg to vegas
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Lets say we trade Fowler for a forward. We can protect Getz,Perry,Kes,Cogs,Rakell,Silf, and unnamed Forward, plus Lindholm, Vatanen, and Bieksa/Manson if we buyout Bieksa.

The only player in danger of being taken is Manson or Despres at this point. Nice try though.
 
Sojourn said:
So awful that the Ducks let in the least amount of goals in the league.
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was that because of fowler though or in spite of him?
opponents had more shots,chances, and goals than the ducks when fowler was on the ice. this wasnt true with any other dman.
Lindholm is the real star of that D. is fowler a meh number 2 or good number 3?
 
Halla said:
was that because of fowler though or in spite of him?
opponents had more shots,chances, and goals than the ducks when fowler was on the ice. this wasnt true with any other dman.
Lindholm is the real star of that D. is fowler a meh number 2 or good number 3?
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Considering his D partner was Bieksa, the answer is clearly because. And the reason it wasn't true with any other, is because none of them were used the same.

I'm a big fan of Lindholm, and I think he will be a star. But Lindholm benefited from Fowler's play, and role, too.
 
Halla said:
ok to set the record straight, it is unlikely any of the leafs young dmen develop into a top 4 guy? :laugh:
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You're the one saying that, not me. What I said is that Carrick wouldn't become that before the expansion draft.
 
Sojourn said:
You're the one saying that, not me. What I said is that Carrick wouldn't become that before the expansion draft.
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this is kinda getting derailed from my original point.
leafs are not gonna wanna expose carrick. if they do, he is gone. giving up a significant asset (JVR/Nylander/Kadri) for a dman that will also need to be protected makes no sense.

the ducks are the ones with the troubles cap and expansion draft wise.
leafs probably just see what they have with the current group, and its highly likely they grab a dman with their high pick next year
 
Halla said:
this is kinda getting derailed from my original point.
leafs are not gonna wanna expose carrick. if they do, he is gone. giving up a significant asset (JVR/Nylander/Kadri) for a dman that will also need to be protected makes no sense.

the ducks are the ones with the troubles cap and expansion draft wise.
leafs probably just see what they have with the current group, and its highly likely they grab a dman with their high pick next year
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And the response to that is still the same: If Toronto had Fowler, they'd protect him instead of Carrick. Your "what if" scenario had to pretend that Carrick became a top 4 guy. :dunno:

Anaheim isn't in expansion trouble. They are just probably going to lose a decent player. That's true of most teams, especially the ones that are currently competitive.
 
Halla said:
this is kinda getting derailed from my original point.
leafs are not gonna wanna expose carrick. if they do, he is gone. giving up a significant asset (JVR/Nylander/Kadri) for a dman that will also need to be protected makes no sense. . .
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I think this is the correct approach, especially when the price suggested for Fowler is JVR. The Leafs would be cutting off their nose to spite their face.

If Fowler fell into their lap at a low cost, the equation would be much different.
 
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