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Perhaps, but it's better than making a bad move, especially when the Leafs already have Zaitsev.
Eklund Rumor: Leafs in on Cam Fowler
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Perhaps, but it's better than making a bad move, especially when the Leafs already have Zaitsev.
aufheben
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Right now, they're under the cap ceiling with a potential 3.7 million in bonuses mostly in Auston Matthews. To go with that, they have a shade over 20 million in expiring contracts of which likely none will be retained. If Matthews happens to collect a significant chunk of bonus money that the team doesn't pay off this season, they won't have a problem paying the rest of it off next season. I think that concern is very minor to say the least.
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He isn't getting killed, you are reading the stats without any sort of context
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Roman Josi is overrated, why? because corsi says so, let's not use any context even though virtually everyone agrees he's a top 10 dman in the league.
without context and using just a hero chart one could then claim josh manson is as good or better, but we know that's not true.
without context and using just a hero chart one could then claim josh manson is as good or better, but we know that's not true.
aufheben
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As opposed to the bulletproof "good team = good player".
Just curious, is the inverse of this also true? The Canucks are terrible defensively, therefore Chris Tanev is terrible defensively?
They are all just tools, use all of them instead of relying on one for your opinion. If you think Fowler is bad, then fine. If you think Fowler is bad because of what it says on a piece of paper, then you aren't doing it right. You might as well get in line.
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I've seen plenty of these "Eklund" labeled threads on the Trade Rumor board and I can't think of a single one that came to be true.
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aufheben
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Like how contrary to what people say he actually plays with some of the highest CF% quality of teammates in the NHL? Or how his stats are often on the bottom of his own team which is very abnormal for top-pairing defensemen? Or how most stats indicate the Ducks play better then he is off the ice? Not everyone just looks at HERO charts, there is plenty of context for him, and if he was so good it shouldn't be this difficult to show people why.
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If opponents of Cam Fowler applied any more context on these forums, they would be arrested for stalking him.
In all fairness the flyers fans that said it would be an atrocious trade were right
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If anything, Fowler is a better player when you apply no context. If you just look at his raw stats, they're not that bad.
But let's apply some context...
-He's the worst on an excellent possession team
-He makes every teammate he plays with worse
-He plays with some of the highest quality possession teammates in the league
With no context at all, you're looking at a 49% possession player. So what? Apply everything listed above and you're looking at something much worse.
I think Ducks fans are the ones who have interest in ignoring context.
But let's apply some context...
-He's the worst on an excellent possession team
-He makes every teammate he plays with worse
-He plays with some of the highest quality possession teammates in the league
With no context at all, you're looking at a 49% possession player. So what? Apply everything listed above and you're looking at something much worse.
I think Ducks fans are the ones who have interest in ignoring context.
He is pretty good on Tuesday night games against eastern conference teams that have a right handed 1C and a backup goalie in.
"And yet it moves..." as Galileo purportedly said in a different context (now, one should get a permit/licence to use that word on HF).
Dubas can't stop that trade if it were to happen he isn't GM and it's CLEAR we aren't relying soley on advanced stats because if we were Polak wouldn't be here and Kadri would be making 6 million not 4.5
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Wrong but ok i'll take a shot.
Kevin Bieksa was absolutely dreadful last year when he was playing Hampus Lindholm, but you know who he played his best hockey with? Cam Fowler. Now I know you are going to come up with some corsi stat, but remember Lindholm was among the elite in driving possession last year, so of course when Bieksa goes from him to Fowler it could go down, again this is CONTEXT which is what people like yourself and frankly many ranger fans who have a strange obsession with Fowler constantly fail to bring to the discussion.
Ben Lovejoy was a 7th defensemen before coming to the Ducks and playing on a pair with Cam Fowler.
Simon Despres, comes to Ducks and immediately plays his best hockey in a top 4 role, whos his partner?
You are basing everything on a couple metrics because you do not watch the ducks play it's ok to say you don't. When people counter your arguments with how well Fowler starts break outs you use a strawman argument as a counter point
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"Context", especially in Fowler's case, is nothing more than a thinly veiled "I'm right because I am and that's final" rebuttal in player discussion.
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