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[mriswith]

Hughes

• Still not 100% but not guaranteed he’ll be cleared to play on Saturday
• Spent a lot of time with his agent over the weekend before the 4 Nations tournament deciding whether he should go or not; his agent told Dhaliwal that the Canucks allowed Hughes to make the decision

Pettersson

• No one is telling Dhaliwal he’s hurt; Canucks wouldn’t send an injured player and Swede’s wouldn’t have accepted him if he was hurt
• If he’s injured, the Canucks would sit him

Lol.

They wouldn't send an injured player to 4 nations, so EP definitely wasn't injured before the tournament.

But Hughes got to decide if he'd go or not, it was up to him. He was too hurt to play and he still might not be cleared to play, but it was his choice whether or not to play. Even though the Canucks wouldn't send a injured player, it was Hughes' choice.

At some point the credibility is subterranean for these topics.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Remember the tweets from two weeks ago that EP40 was staying? From Thomas Drance today at The Athletic:

Pettersson remains off the trade block ahead of the NHL trade deadline, but — and this is just the sense I get — that’s not entirely ironclad. If a rival team called with an enticing idea, I’m confident the Canucks would listen.​

Kevin Lankinen’s extension and the stakes of the Canucks’ next 7 games

We’re in for a high-leverage stretch run for Vancouver, with the team heavily favoured to secure a playoff spot in the Western Conference.

www.nytimes.com

I suspect them taking him off the market was just a negotiating play for the trade market—rather than a true commitment to the player.

sounds like petey is already violating the truce.

 

[Vector]

I think Heinen was fine. Desharnais definitely sucked.

The big issue this summer wasn’t pro-scouting, which was probably above average, but roster construction which was poor. Allvin and JR wear that.

I’d argue the biggest issue was the team’s two highest paid players and number one centres were more focused on hating each other than playing hockey.

The defence certainly needed addressing, not taking away from that. Definitely a failure. As the team was constructed, they should have been able to weather the tide a little bit better.

 

[wonton15]

I’d be fine if Suter was a ‘self rental’ or if they even tried to re-sign him at a reasonable #, but Brock should be traded. He has way too much value to just let walk to UFA.

 

[krutovsdonut]

heinen was fine but not playing above replacement. he was not worth extra cap. i think it was just a bad fit as i didn't see anything heinen was doing wrong. he was just not thriving.

 

[StickShift]

heinen was fine but not playing above replacement. he was not worth extra cap. i think it was just a bad fit as i didn't see anything heinen was doing wrong. he was just not thriving.

I feel like Heinen's career in general has been a series of 40-game bursts where looks like a legitimate middle-six contributor, broken up by 1-2 seasons of playing at replacement level. Very frustrating player.

 

[krutovsdonut]

I’d be fine if Suter was a ‘self rental’ or if they even tried to re-sign him at a reasonable #, but Brock should be traded. He has way too much value to just let walk to UFA.

even if we do pick up another centre, i would say suter would have to fetch a tangible asset like a midround second or a solid prospect / elc age player to be worth trading. i am not sure he is worth that in the market.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Remember the tweets from two weeks ago that EP40 was staying? From Thomas Drance today at The Athletic:

Pettersson remains off the trade block ahead of the NHL trade deadline, but — and this is just the sense I get — that’s not entirely ironclad. If a rival team called with an enticing idea, I’m confident the Canucks would listen.​

Kevin Lankinen’s extension and the stakes of the Canucks’ next 7 games

We’re in for a high-leverage stretch run for Vancouver, with the team heavily favoured to secure a playoff spot in the Western Conference.

www.nytimes.com

I suspect them taking him off the market was just a negotiating play for the trade market—rather than a true commitment to the player.

Not calling you out specifically StickShift, but:

Lol our stupid low info media has so many posters by the nostrils.

He literally says it’s “just the sense [he] gets”, and then says an utter platitude.
Like no kidding, so banal as to be unworthy of mention. If the Ducks want to offer Carlsson, Mintyukov, and this year’s first then we are definitely going to “listen”. So would any team.

It's meaningless engagement baiting.

I went to cancel my subscription to the Athletic last night and it offered me a rate of like a dollar 1.60 per month so I said f*** it and kept it yet again.

But ask yourself, how many truly informative articles do we see about our team on there per year these days?

Our media genuinely doesn't understand hockey as a sport so can't offer nuanced takes on the game itself. They have no sources, so you don't get insider info. So what does that leave them with? Sowing drama using weasel language like this. It's all they have and so many posters take the bait over and over.

 

[wonton15]

even if we do pick up another centre, i would say suter would have to fetch a tangible asset like a midround second or a solid prospect / elc age player to be worth trading. i am not sure he is worth that in the market.

Yeah he’s a bit of a tweener value wise where it’d be fine if we just kept him for the stretch. A player that’s way more valuable to us than other teams.

But at his low cap hit and versatility, if a contender wants to throw us a 2nd+, thank you for your years here Pius

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

I’d be fine if Suter was a ‘self rental’ or if they even tried to re-sign him at a reasonable #, but Brock should be traded. He has way too much value to just let walk to UFA.

Agreed.

I'm keeping Suter even if he's a self-rental. If you deal a key cog in our lineup for like a 4th rounder, that's the sort of trade where you risk losing the psychological buy-in of your team like they did when they let Tanev and Toffoli walk.

But a player like Boeser, I'm not re-signing if he thinks he's getting 8x8 because I don't feel confidence enough in how his legs will age to pay him that much.

And if we aren't keeping him, you can't afford to forgo the level of assets that he could bring in.

You could get a 1st and a medium prospect which you could then parlay into another Chytil-ish quality player perhaps.

Find a way to get a Cole Sillinger type. Or maybe get two assets and turn one of them into Mattias Macelli and keep the other one for another future trade, or even just to build for the mid-term future.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Catching up...so there is a rumor Hughes hates Pettersson (#40)?

I hate this city.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Catching up...so there is a rumor Hughes hates Pettersson (#40)?

I hate this city.

Wat

 

[mriswith]

Catching up...so there is a rumor Hughes hates Pettersson (#40)?

I hate this city.

That rumour has no credibility, it's a random twitterererer

 

[StickShift]

Not calling you out specifically StickShift, but:

Lol our stupid low info media has so many posters by the nostrils.

He literally says it’s “just the sense [he] gets”, and then says an utter platitude.
Like no kidding, so banal as to be unworthy of mention. If the Ducks want to offer Carlsson, Mintyukov, and this year’s first then we are definitely going to “listen”. So would any team.

It's meaningless engagement baiting.

I went to cancel my subscription to the Athletic last night and it offered me a rate of like a dollar 1.60 per month so I said f*** it and kept it yet again.

But ask yourself, how many truly informative articles do we see about our team on there per year these days?

Our media genuinely doesn't understand hockey as a sport so can't offer nuanced takes on the game itself. They have no sources, so you don't get insider info. So what does that leave them with? Sowing drama using weasel language like this. It's all they have and so many posters take the bait over and over.

Honestly, I just do it all for the lols.

 

[iceburg]

If there's anything the 4 Nations Cup reminded us of, it's that winning is about more than just physical attributes. It takes a commitment to winning, seeking to get better every day, and having a will to win that is next level. Crosby is the poster child for this even as his years start to catch-up on him.

I think the Canucks have that guy in Hughes. I wouldn't be sad to see any player leave who doesn't have these next level attributes. You can always strive to build a roster that fills all the gaps and, with decent management, mostly be successful over time. Finding leaders who are unrelenting in their pursuit of getting better and winning are harder to find. You hold on to those guys for as long as you can.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I think Heinen was fine. Desharnais definitely sucked.

The big issue this summer wasn’t pro-scouting, which was probably above average, but roster construction which was poor. Allvin and JR wear that.

LMAO I liked Desharnais but couldn’t stand Heinen.

f*** Markus, I’m starting to feel redundant on these boards. Thank you.

 

[Bobby9]

People are slowly starting to realize that this team is headed towards two possible futures:

Random signings hoping theirs chemistry and they’re moderately competitive and that convinces Hughes to stay.

Or

Hughes leaving post random UFA signings and the Canucks just being a team of random parts.

Either way theirs no window w this assortment of players any longer. The Canucks are a decent team now and will be for the foreseeable future.

Decent teams are the worst teams to be a fan off. You’re not good enough to compete and you’re not bad enough to hope for a better future. Dark times ahead.

 

[M2Beezy]

LMAO I liked Desharnais but couldn’t stand Heinen.

f*** Markus, I’m starting to feel redundant on these boards. Thank you.

Heinen reminded me of the Wrong Granlund

 

[Curm]

I’d argue the biggest issue was the team’s two highest paid players and number one centres were more focused on hating each other than playing hockey.

The defence certainly needed addressing, not taking away from that. Definitely a failure. As the team was constructed, they should have been able to weather the tide a little bit better.

Exactly, and along with the fact they were/are wearing letters as part of the core leadership, is why I thought it was best they traded the both of them.

This was going on over the tenure of two GMs and three coaches and both signed long-term, big dollar deals with the understanding the other was going to be here, and they still ended up bringing the team down during what should have been another step forward.

As a fan, I still cheer for them and hope for the best while they're here, though.

 

[Vancouver_2010]

Catching up...so there is a rumor Hughes hates Pettersson (#40)?

I hate this city.

On the contrary, i heard rumor suggest Hughes loves every one on the team

 

[vancityluongo]

Pettersson

• No one is telling Dhaliwal he’s hurt; Canucks wouldn’t send an injured player and Swede’s wouldn’t have accepted him if he was hurt
• If he’s injured, the Canucks would sit him
• Canucks will have to address the injury rumour at some point
• There are guys on twitter who’s 9-5 job is to protect Pettersson
• Canucks are not nearly as strong at the centre ice position as they were

"at some point" ???

the fact that any of this lingers after they've already moved jt miller is a pure and simple organizational failure. every person on the pr team should be fired for benning-levels of incompetence.

i've seen the rumours floating around that it's something personal going on with pettersson and so it's "not an injury" - that could check out on multiple fronts. it would make sense that many of his teammates, including hughes are sympathetic to some degree regarding whatever he's going through, and jt miller probably wasn't. but that doesn't matter anymore. they don't have that crutch to lean on.

the team needs to step up and say something along the lines of "he's battling through something, as many players are after the halfway mark of the season, petey is a tough guy and a leader on the team and we hope he has a speedy recovery as he continues to play through it. our medical staff has assessed that there's no risk of the injury getting worse and so petey has made the decision to keep playing to help the team get into the playoffs."

if that message doesn't resonate once, say it as many times as needed, in those words. not "he's healthy, we would never risk our players health"

it's so f***ing bizarre that the canucks seem more worried about their reputation around managing their players' health than to actually manage the media/fan speculation onslaught

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I thought Heinen was a capable penalty killer and decent player. He was very vanilla, but I didn’t have much of an issue there. His cap was roughly fair - he just wasn’t much of an impact player for us, where I think we were hoping we were getting a Pius Suter ver. 2.0. Didn’t have anything against the guy - but Canucks wanted someone that moved the needle a bit more. O’Connor seems like he might be able to do that.

 

[andora]

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i've seen the rumours floating around that it's something personal going on with pettersson

Agree

 

[Wisp]

Re: that bogus Hughes hating Petey rumour, when Chester the Doofus went to dice on ice wearing his stupid 'Make Petey Great Again' hat, Hughes went snakey on Chester saying "Petey was always great and still is!"

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Shot of EP icing his knee made him look 36 and not 26.